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LadyConstanze -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 4:51:34 PM)
Do you really think that people who smash shop windows and steal goods have political motivation? The guys doing the looting aren't the poor and homeless, watch the footage of it, everywhere, even on the net. Homeless don't tend to wear a lot of branded and new tracksuits and fancy scarfs to hide their faces... The homeless would have sold those things to buy themselves a meal, maybe cigs and booze and would be wearing different stuff. I don't think you need to poll them on that or ask them.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 4:52:57 PM)
meh, whatever. i'm on the rioters' side. what are you doing about it, other than wringing your hands and whingeing about how horrid it all is?

CreepyStalker -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 4:55:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather you don't know who they are, how they live, what their hopes or dreams or disappointments are. you have no clue why they are doing what they are doing, or who is behind the violence or why. i do. No. You don't. You are a million miles away and you're an idiot. Take it from a working-class Burberry-clad chav from Tottenham who does know what the fuck is going on (at present, a couple of hundred yards away). This is not a political statement, there is political context yes, but no point is being made and no fight being fought. This is sheer arseholery.

popularDemand -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 4:56:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather meh, whatever. i'm on the rioters' side. what are you doing about it, other than wringing your hands and whingeing about how horrid it all is? what are you doing, aside from flapping a little black pennant? ooo, get me! anarchist. nonsense pD

HannahLynHeather -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 4:57:11 PM)
you are so hopelessly naive ladyc, its fucking cute. i just love the way you judge everybody by the clothes they wear. it's adorable. look, the people doing the rioting are angry, that anger is being directed. those directing the anger have political motivation. are some of them there because they want a new tv? sure as fuck, but like i said, you use the tools you have.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:03:17 PM)
i have contributed money to their legal defense and am helping raise more, i am helping coordinate the action groups via email & text, i am helping others who are trying to get further actions organized for tomorrow. other than that not much yet, but i am waiting for word back from one group with some details on how i can contribute some money directly to help them with their present expenses. as well i have been in touch with some people here and in the us about seeing if we can get some support protests going, but that isn't looking very promising. that's what i am doing. what about you? you believe the rioters are wrong, so what are you doing to put the unrest down?

LadyConstanze -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:06:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather you are so hopelessly naive ladyc, its fucking cute. i just love the way you judge everybody by the clothes they wear. it's adorable. look, the people doing the rioting are angry, that anger is being directed. those directing the anger have political motivation. are some of them there because they want a new tv? sure as fuck, but like i said, you use the tools you have. I don't judge people by the clothes they wear, for the record I buy most of mine from charity shops because I'm too fucking cheap to pay a lot of money for jeans I have to break in, this way I get them pre-worn and damned cheap, I couldn't give a shit which label is in them, they need to fit and be comfy, that's how much of a snob I am. But I can't help SEEING how homeless people are dressed and comparing it to the looters, it's simple observation. Look, the thing is they are doing this in the poor places of the town, they are directing anger against the people who do not have much, burning down houses where people live who barely get by - they're not burning down mansions, they're burning down the places where people live because they can't afford more. If you want to compare it to the French Revolution, it would make as much sense as if they would have stopped marching against Versailles and would have turned round to kill people in the slums.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:06:06 PM)
yes creepy baby, i'm sure you are right and the people i'm communicating with are just imagining things. hey, i'm sorry you're caught up in it, and i really do hope you and yours come through unharmed, but sorry, that's just fucking life.

hardcybermaster -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:08:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather i have contributed money to their legal defense and am helping raise more, i am helping coordinate the action groups via email & text, i am helping others who are trying to get further actions organized for tomorrow. other than that not much yet, but i am waiting for word back from one group with some details on how i can contribute some money directly to help them with their present expenses. as well i have been in touch with some people here and in the us about seeing if we can get some support protests going, but that isn't looking very promising. that's what i am doing. what about you? you believe the rioters are wrong, so what are you doing to put the unrest down? why do you feel the need to help pay for the legal defense of kids throwing rocks at police in a different country? would you feel the same if people burned and smashed everything that you own? would you be happy if your kids were scared and crying and had no home to go to? you're a fuckin dickhead

CreepyStalker -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:16:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather yes creepy baby, i'm sure you are right and the people i'm communicating with are just imagining things. The people you're communicating with who are getting you to send them money? Hhhmmmm.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:16:34 PM)
no, i'm an activist for a political philosophy that promotes the overthrow of the present societal model. when unrest breaks out, it is exploited. i support the aims of some of those exploiting the present unrest, therefore i am supporting their efforts. no different than you making contributions to the campaign of your favorite local candidate, or making a donation to amnesty international. oh come on people, did you really think i would be on the side of the fucking government and police? puhleeze! i meant it when i said i was an anarchist, what the fuck did you think that means, that i sit around and bitch about my oppression online?

hardcybermaster -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:18:13 PM)
your oppression??? lmao

HannahLynHeather -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:19:04 PM)
yeah, the ones who sent us money last year, though that was more orderly. some of them i met in toronto, so no, i'm not being fleeced.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:20:29 PM)
quote: your oppression??? lmao that's sort of my point. [:)] glad you got it.

hardcybermaster -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:24:38 PM)
so when unrest breaks out you support it? you help people burn peoples houses down? you help mobs to kill people? you help spread fear?

CreepyStalker -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:26:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather oh come on people, did you really think i would be on the side of the fucking government and police? Was it too much to hope that you might be able to get beyond the playground mentality of having to pick a side? Grow the fuck up. The police are violent dickheads. The rioters are also being violent dickheads. Two wrongs do not make a right. No good is being done here, there is nothing to support.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:28:37 PM)
Buying a shot gun, in case the rioting spreads to the US. And not so I can join the riots either. quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather meh, whatever. i'm on the rioters' side. what are you doing about it, other than wringing your hands and whingeing about how horrid it all is?

Iamsemisweet -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:32:47 PM)
So, if someone gets killed in one of these riots, are you still on the rioters' side? Just wondering, after your hysterical diatribe on the death penalty a couple of weeks ago. People do get killed in these things, you know. quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather meh, whatever. i'm on the rioters' side. what are you doing about it, other than wringing your hands and whingeing about how horrid it all is?

PeonForHer -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:34:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreepyStalker This is sheer arseholery. Yep, it is. But the fundamental problem is that no-one's moral view of the matter makes the blindest bit of difference. Theresa May was on the box wagging her finger and saying, 'There is no excuse for it'. As if the rioters need give a flying shit if they have an excuse from the likes of Theresa May or anyone else. I mean, really, it conjures up a picture of some kid, face with a broken window between him and a 30 inch flatscreen telly that he covets, stopping to ponder, "Oh, am I morally justified in stealing this?" It's ludicrous. Of course there's no excuse, just as there's no excuse for the the selfish-arsed bankers who tore this country to shreds. Yet the government has fallen over itself to accommodate them. It wasn't a case of one law for the rich, another for the poor - it was a case of laws for all of us, but no laws at all for the rich. Governments have always made fawning, arselicking accommodations for the wreckers at the top, now they're going to have to do it for those at the bottom, too. They simply have no other choice. Make kids live in armpit housing estates, put them in shitty jobs, or cut off their benefits, while at the same time pump them constantly with the delights of consumerism - what does anyone seriously expect as a result? OK, it was fine in the old days, when little groups of disgruntled yobboes could get snapped up by the police in no time. But now it's different - they can organise a riot on their Blackberries in minutes. Back in the 1980s and the Thatcher riots, their were hardly any mobiles around and only the police could communicate quickly through their walkie-talkies. And the police, now, who themselves are having their resources cut, are losing their morale. At least Thatcher was astute enough to keep the cops onside with their resources and pay packets. Why should they care, now? The vast majority of these rioters will get away with whatever they've done, whatever they've nicked. It'd be laughable to imagine otherwise. Pfft. Society reaps what it sows. The morals of it all don't matter - these riots are as much a result of the way the system works as is the bankers' greed and selfishness. What is needed now is for people - and the government especially - to take a step back, stop burbling about how people should behave, and deal with how people actually will behave, given what human nature is.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/8/2011 5:46:46 PM)
fr. i support the aims of some of my friends who are trying to exploit the unrest to further their political goals. the people i am helping did not start the riots, they are simply making use of the opportunity they have been presented. and i support them in their efforts. you say somebody might die, well somebody already did. the state, through their instrument of coercion, the police, started all this by murdering a man. they started the killing, the blood is on their hands.

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