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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/9/2011 6:46:58 PM

Iamsemisweet

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But to do what?
The only thing I can relate it to is Congress. Let's say there was major rioting in a US city, say Chicago. Congress has no police powers, that is a function of the executive branch or the local jurisdictions. So recalling Congress would serve no purpose. Is Parliament different? My understanding is that this matter is under the jurisdiction of the local police forces.
I really am not being confrontational, I just can't imagine why they were recalled unless martial law was being considered. Window dressing and hand wringing, perhaps?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

The reason that I thought that martial law might be a possibility is because I read that parliament was recalled. I didn't understand why this was done, if this still was being handled on the local police level. The article I read didn't really provide an explanation.

Oh that is easy, they are on a summer break, vacation - so they were being recalled, even Cam had to cut his holiday short, that's really all that it is.

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/9/2011 7:22:56 PM

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All power resides in parliament. The powers are not separated as in America.

To all within the realm of England, I extend my wishes of safety. I pray to my Goddess that she keep all from harm, and that she bring calm once again to the cities of your land.

Be at peace
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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/9/2011 7:47:14 PM

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I love The British Isles and Brits in general [and a few literally and in particular!], and their forebearers made my country what it is today.
Rain is coming which may quell the chaos, and may all the innocents, police and emergency workers come home safely and soundly.

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 6:43:44 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

But to do what?
The only thing I can relate it to is Congress. Let's say there was major rioting in a US city, say Chicago. Congress has no police powers, that is a function of the executive branch or the local jurisdictions. So recalling Congress would serve no purpose. Is Parliament different? My understanding is that this matter is under the jurisdiction of the local police forces.
I really am not being confrontational, I just can't imagine why they were recalled unless martial law was being considered. Window dressing and hand wringing,

Well, decisions have to be made, the Parliament is slightly different than Congress, so that's why they are being recalled. The PM has to give direction, the police is guided by the Parliament, it's a crisis and all decision makers have to interrupt their vacation.

Imagine it like a big company, the whole board of directors are taking their summer break and then there are a couple of crisises, the employees need direction on how to handle it - they interrupt their vacation and come back.

Maybe the links will help?

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/parliament-government/

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The Cabinet consists of a maximum of twenty-two government ministers chosen by the Prime Minister. They can be Members of either House of Parliament. The Cabinet develop government policies and some members head government departments.

Since they head government departments, they have to be there if there is a crisis, because the government departments need to be able to react and somebody has to make decisions.

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 9:23:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Rain is coming which may quell the chaos, and may all the innocents, police and emergency workers come home safely and soundly.

Never a truer word spoken.....Rain, wind, cold conditions tend to make a difference..messes up the trainers. :)

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 9:34:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Rain is coming which may quell the chaos, and may all the innocents, police and emergency workers come home safely and soundly.

Never a truer word spoken.....Rain, wind, cold conditions tend to make a difference..messes up the trainers. :)

agirl

Yes, looting in the rain is too much like work...

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 10:27:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Rain is coming which may quell the chaos, and may all the innocents, police and emergency workers come home safely and soundly.

Never a truer word spoken.....Rain, wind, cold conditions tend to make a difference..messes up the trainers. :)

agirl

Yes, looting in the rain is too much like work...

Only the dedicated will persist in inclement weather.....fewer faces, easier to get nabbed.

I wonder how many parents were watching the footage and spotted their children. Mine would come home to a locked door and a smack around the ear.

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 10:56:47 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl

Only the dedicated will persist in inclement weather.....fewer faces, easier to get nabbed.

I wonder how many parents were watching the footage and spotted their children. Mine would come home to a locked door and a smack around the ear.

agirl

Have you seen the footage of the mother picking up the kids with the car and they load a few flat screens in the back and she drives calmly off (blissfully unaware of the CCTV), gives you an idea what values they grew up with. Or maybe their kids have so much pocket money that she thought they just bought them?

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 12:52:42 PM

Iamsemisweet

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Thank you for the explanation. Sounds like they have their work cut out for them.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

But to do what?
The only thing I can relate it to is Congress. Let's say there was major rioting in a US city, say Chicago. Congress has no police powers, that is a function of the executive branch or the local jurisdictions. So recalling Congress would serve no purpose. Is Parliament different? My understanding is that this matter is under the jurisdiction of the local police forces.
I really am not being confrontational, I just can't imagine why they were recalled unless martial law was being considered. Window dressing and hand wringing,

Well, decisions have to be made, the Parliament is slightly different than Congress, so that's why they are being recalled. The PM has to give direction, the police is guided by the Parliament, it's a crisis and all decision makers have to interrupt their vacation.

Imagine it like a big company, the whole board of directors are taking their summer break and then there are a couple of crisises, the employees need direction on how to handle it - they interrupt their vacation and come back.

Maybe the links will help?

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/parliament-government/

quote:

The Cabinet consists of a maximum of twenty-two government ministers chosen by the Prime Minister. They can be Members of either House of Parliament. The Cabinet develop government policies and some members head government departments.

Since they head government departments, they have to be there if there is a crisis, because the government departments need to be able to react and somebody has to make decisions.

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The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 1:08:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Whatever is in the air?

My take on bad airs starts on toxic pgs 18~19.

I will echo my sympathies for those affected in this thread.

It seems a good idea to seperate the human and political aspects in two threads.

Health,
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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 1:12:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

But to do what?

Turn the question around.

Why on Earth would parliament remain on vacation while putting 16.000 police officers into the streets of the capital city?

Health,
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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 1:37:24 PM

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things in some areas are better things are worse

croydon is quiet again tonight but still parts croydon cut off

and this morning we heard youths attacked a gun shop

petrol stations have been rasnsacked and workers threatened with baseball bats

whole areas still cordoned off to traffic

got friens in liverpool scared whitless

still crowds youths walking streets doing best to intimdate

they closed shopping centre mon lunchtime and people very scared

in croydon reeves corner was set a blaze inc flats and houses nearby

these thugs and kids deserve the full force law s0rry to say youngest caught is 11

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 1:42:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Whatever is in the air?

My take on bad airs starts on toxic pgs 18~19.

I will echo my sympathies for those affected in this thread.

It seems a good idea to seperate the human and political aspects in two threads.

Health,
al-Aswad.

things v panicky yesterday all day helicopters circle and police sirens wailed sounded very eery extra police were in croydon people panicked but in end was pm and mayors visit nothing else

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 2:50:10 PM

Iamsemisweet

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I misunderstood the role of parliament, and I have since educated myself. I was comparing them to closely to the US Congress. My mistake, I did not know enough about the UK's form of government.

I will say that if something similar happened in the US, and Congress was called, I would assume they were doing so because martial law was being considered. But then, I am really, really paranoid.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

But to do what?

Turn the question around.

Why on Earth would parliament remain on vacation while putting 16.000 police officers into the streets of the capital city?

Health,
al-Aswad.

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Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 3:14:37 PM

LadyConstanze

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I misunderstood the role of parliament, and I have since educated myself. I was comparing them to closely to the US Congress. My mistake, I did not know enough about the UK's form of government.

I will say that if something similar happened in the US, and Congress was called, I would assume they were doing so because martial law was being considered. But then, I am really, really paranoid.

I think we are far more pragmatic in Europe and martial law just seems like an outrageous idea to us, that would be close to a civil war. What it is is some scum being out of control, hiding in a mob and doing things they wouldn't dare to do on their own but they feel they can get away with it in a large crowd. They learn they don't now, the people are identifying them to the police, in a way this is not a bad thing because it shows that people are banding together, it's not "the youth" it's a part of them, not all youngsters are like that.

Come on, disturbing the vacation of politicians, if that's as bad as it gets, not such a big deal!

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RE: My thoughts are with the British tonight - 8/10/2011 7:25:22 PM

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Ok... so I see some people went against the thread guidelines and starting talking about who, what, where, when, why.

Thank you to those who stuck to the spirit of the thread and shared your support.

< Message edited by LadyAngelika -- 8/10/2011 7:26:19 PM >

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