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Marini -> Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/8/2011 6:56:34 PM)

*I know there is similar thread on this subject, BUT I didn't see any real questions being asked about WHY this is happening, what is causing the growing frustrations in the UK, and is this to be expected people who are already poor and disenfranchised have to face cuts in social programs?

The BBC has done a smashing job, giving a timeline of the rioting, as we are heading towards day 3 of the rioting.

London Riots Timeline

What started as a protest against the police shooting of local man Mark Duggan, appears to be turning into wide scale looting and protests.

The area's being affected seem to continue to spread:Birmingham, Northern Tottenham,
hit areas including the leafy suburb of Enfield, a few miles further north; Walthamstow in northeast London.

Here are some recent pictures of London on fire:

Pictures of the London Riots, 8 hours ago

Britain has a very high unemployment rate and many people seem to be using this as a time to vent a lot of anger and frustration.

"There are signs of rising social tensions in Britain as the government slashes $130 billion from public spending by 2015 to reduce the huge deficit, swollen after the country spent billions bailing out its foundering banks."

"But some have blamed the unrest on unemployment, insensitive policing and frustration across Britain over the government’s austerity budget, which will bring deep cuts to social services and welfare payments."

This was taken from the above article I posted, "London Riots Spread" By David Stringer and Raphael G. Satter Associated Press.

With the government slashing public spending, coupled with area's of Britain having youth unemployment averaging at least 20%, should we be surprised if/when levels of frustration begin to increase?

Here are some interesting facts and easy to read graphs about youth, poverty and unemployment in Great Britain.

UK young adult unemployment

Again, with massive social and government cuts ahead, levels of the unemployed growing, levels of people slipping into poverty growing, will be be shocked if this level of violence continues to grow and spread, even beyond the UK?

It often amazes me, that many think {even around here} that the masses will always accept their situtations and lots in life, and just go quietly and peacefully into the night.

I wonder if people expect the masses to always go along "with things", quietly and peacefully here in the United States?

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Aylee -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/8/2011 9:07:12 PM)

And the TEA Party protesters are the terrorists?


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Marini -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/8/2011 9:22:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

And the TEA Party protesters are the terrorists?


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Maybe I missed something, who said the tea party protestors were terrorists?
I don't think I have ever even addressed or commented about the "tea party" organizations.
But come to think of it, I am sure they have been called terrorists on here, who hasn't?

I did want to add, that I don't agree with looting and burning, but these actions are not uncommon when you have growing masses of people that are frustrated and angry.

Also, thanks for the mercy post.
lol




Aylee -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/8/2011 10:30:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

Maybe I missed something, who said the tea party protestors were terrorists?


It has been all over the news.
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I don't think I have ever even addressed or commented about the "tea party" organizations.

I was not implying that you have. I was merely noting that politicians doing the exact job that they were elected for have been being called terrorists and hostage takers, amoung other things. It is an interesting irony when set alongside of what is happening in London.

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But come to think of it, I am sure they have been called terrorists on here, who hasn't?

The terrorist comments that I am refering to came from public figures not private message board users.

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I did want to add, that I don't agree with looting and burning, but these actions are not uncommon when you have growing masses of people that are frustrated and angry.

Frustrated and angry that the free money is going to stop. Unfortunatly the citizens of London have been disarmed so they have no way to protect themselves or their businesses. It is rather sad actually.

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Also, thanks for the mercy post.
lol

No problem.




Termyn8or -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/8/2011 10:31:36 PM)

"Maybe I missed something"

If I read right I agree, privatize social security ? I ain't even getting into that thread so forget it.

When I was young, people rarely just accepted things, of course times were different. We didn't accept fucking anything, we took what we want. Look at my girl wrong and you got a limp.

As per Pink Floyd hanging on in quiet desperation was the English way, not for us. No, we should've torn the shit out of this country about thirty years ago, but everybody was OK, working, catching a buzz, watching the sports. We missed the call.But now when we get around to rioting THIS TIME we gonna do it right. Shit, we had plenty of race riots and believe it or not some of them didn't even make the news. But this time we ain't pissed at some race or some shit, we know where the fucking problem is.

The next time there is unrest in this country we are going to show the world how to fucking do it. Our people are so emasculated and eating so much shit, next time will be the last time. We gave England enough of a pain in the balls a few hundred years ago that they gve the fuck up, now we got a bigger rat in the house. Bigger rat, bigger riot. Why the fuck do you think they control the media so tightly ? Because someone like me, if I put my mind to it, could make this shit happen.

If I'm alive I'll be right there.

T^T




tweakabelle -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/8/2011 10:38:58 PM)

Similar riots occurred in Greece last year - also triggered by the police shooting some one IIRC. It might be pertinent to note that both the UK and Greece going through periods of financial turbulence. Both countries have reacted by reducing Social Security and Govt spending due to 'budget considerations' (sounds familiar hey?) after decades of policies of wealth redistribution from the poor to the richer sections of society.

The speed with which the riots have spread across the UK suggests that are huge numbers of angry, disadvantaged, alienated youths who feel no loyalty to the system, who see no future for themselves as things currently stand. All of which illustrates the potential risks of removing or diminishing the safety net during periods of high unemployment. It really ought to alert us to the dangers of fiscal policies that squeeze the poor and favour the already wealthy.

People who have a stake in the system act accordingly. People who have nothing to lose act accordingly.




Termyn8or -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/8/2011 10:43:05 PM)

"who feel no loyalty to the system"

Wonder why ?

"People who have a stake in the system act accordingly. People who have nothing to lose act accordingly. "

I hope you don't mind if I use that.

T^T




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/8/2011 11:19:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
It really ought to alert us to the dangers of fiscal policies that squeeze the poor and favour the already wealthy.

People who have a stake in the system act accordingly. People who have nothing to lose act accordingly.


well see this is why wealthy people in the US are buying $230,000 guard dogs.
the bottom of the pyramid is crumbling away...




Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:15:33 AM)

I see this as a result of the failure of the capitalist system to effectively provide for the lowest strata of society. The failure to provide all members of society with the means to lead a decent life, is the weakness of the present system, and until it is addressed, these sorts of disturbances will only become more and more common. And more violent.




Owner59 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:26:22 AM)

300,000 people recently marched in Israel for basically the same reasons.

The middle-class was getting pinched while the upper-class Israelis were doing very well.

Kinda like here,there are a number of people who want the rich to pay more to resolve their money problems, instead of the wealthy getting special treatment.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/08/08/3088900/reform-backs-israeli-protests

This is getting to be world wide.




Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:28:44 AM)

It is a world wide thing, it is a systemic failure of the global economic system to provide for everybody. The rich prosper, and everybody else is getting poorer.




rulemylife -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:29:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Unfortunatly the citizens of London have been disarmed so they have no way to protect themselves or their businesses. It is rather sad actually.



Yeah, it would be nice if there could be a little more bloodshed.

You fail to take into account that both sides would be armed.




Owner59 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:33:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig
make
It is a world wide thing, it is a systemic failure of the global economic system to provide for everybody. The rich prosper, and everybody else is getting poorer.

Well,there`s natural capitalism,the enterprises that have been going on since we were trading rocks and there`s predator capitalism.

A whole different animal and dangerous to people plants and other living things.

Predator capitalism, is what we have to end or at least control and make adjustments for,ie the safety net.




Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:36:01 AM)

No RML, in NRAland, only law abiding citizens have guns. that's why there is no need to control them.

Thank God, this isn't happening with an armed populace, the number of dead would be astronomical, and I suspect that the blood in the streets would be enough to kick this into a full scale rebellion.




Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:38:47 AM)

I agree, i'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to hammer out exactly what needs to be done, but somehow, we have to find a way for everybody to live well. there is more than enough wealth available, it's just concentrated in too few hands.




Owner59 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:39:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

And the TEA Party protesters are the terrorists?


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Yup.

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Owner59 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:43:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

I agree, i'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to hammer out exactly what needs to be done, but somehow, we have to find a way for everybody to live well. there is more than enough wealth available, it's just concentrated in too few hands.


I like the way our norther state,Canada, does it.[;)]




Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:48:57 AM)

We have our issues here, the same pressures to cut and slash are at work here. the same accumulation of wealth is happening here as well, just not to the same degree. Obviously, being a relatively content Canadian, I think that Canada could indeed be a good model. We have a seemingly workable combination of capitalist and socialist doctrine.

However, as I said, the present government has as one of its aims the reversal, or at least gutting, of much of our social legislation. I fear, if they succeed, then we will see problems here as well.




tweakabelle -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:55:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Unfortunatly the citizens of London have been disarmed so they have no way to protect themselves or their businesses. It is rather sad actually.



Yeah, it would be nice if there could be a little more bloodshed.

You fail to take into account that both sides would be armed.



Another slight problem with Aylee's claim is that the citizens of London were never armed in the first place .......

I get the impression that there is considerable resentment among sectors of the population that the police are armed at all. AFAIK, UK police have been unarmed traditionally, though, to a certain extent, this has been changing slowly in recent years.




Owner59 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 12:56:51 AM)

The crash is hurting everyone,world wide.Like a wave that never calms,just keeps slamming.

It`s not going to end soon, I`m afraid.




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