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tj444 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:30:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD My take on it wasn't that a revolution would happen from these riots, my take on his comment was that if the world doesn't change, there will be revolution. and my take is that its not gonna happen. Riots or no riots.

tj444 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:32:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: And being in a well off country makes you entirely impotent to affect change in any other place in the world. Kindly explain what you mean by that. I honestly don't understand it. how can you affect change in one country when you are located in some other country?

DeviantlyD -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:33:22 AM)
After a second read, I'm thinking the impotent comment was a sarcastic one. Misreading posts means it's past my bed-time. ;)

Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:33:58 AM)
A 50% reduction? No, but I live on $10,000 a year, so I'm not really one of those who is accumulating wealth. I'm one of the poor, though not a particularly disaffected one.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:34:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD My take on it wasn't that a revolution would happen from these riots, my take on his comment was that if the world doesn't change, there will be revolution. and my take is that its not gonna happen. Riots or no riots. No, you misunderstand. My take on his comment....in other words, I interpreted his comment to mean that...a revolution would happen if the world doesn't change but continues on its current path. Nighty night.

tj444 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:36:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Its the aim of the agitators tj. I think that the hope in the present riots is to provoke an over reaction from the government, to get them to pass harsh laws to punish and prevent such outbreaks. This will in turn foster more anger and resentment, which will lead to more unrest, and more crack downs...and so on. It worked in South Africa, and to many of the disaffected poor, the perceived injustices are similar. naw, IF the govt did that people would be ticked for 5 minutes and then get on with their life.. the govt knows that.. and we are talking about 2 very different countries with very different levels of problems... like comparing apples and oranges

Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:37:56 AM)
There are endless numbers of ways. Through government policies, through economic influence, through moral and economic support of various groups (radical and otherwise), or through direct action. Look at Amnesty international. Well meaning people in the West with money bring about changes in other countries. it happens all the time. Look at Libya.

tweakabelle -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:39:23 AM)
In my view it's far more important to eliminate the huge disparities that exist within societies than between countries in the short term. It's obscene that, for example, some Wall St traders salaries are measured in the billions while others go without housing, employment or healthcare within a single country. Disparities between countries are far more complex. Differing educational, natural resource, social systems, traditions, economic needs and other factors need to be factored in. Reducing it all to a single simplistic equation isn't the way forward IMHO.

tj444 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:40:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig There are endless numbers of ways. Through government policies, through economic influence, through moral and economic support of various groups (radical and otherwise), or through direct action. Look at Amnesty international. Well meaning people in the West with money bring about changes in other countries. it happens all the time. Look at Libya. Libya and countries like that are a different ball of wax, there will be no change of any consequence in the UK. jmo

Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:40:53 AM)
Sorry tj, you're not making sense, to me. What two countries are you talking about? I'm talking about a global situation, the latest manifestation of which happens to be occurring in England at the moment.

Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:44:50 AM)
I agree, I don't think there will be any substantive changes in the UK, and that's why I made the prediction that these riots were only the beginning of a period of growing unrest.

tj444 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:45:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Sorry tj, you're not making sense, to me. What two countries are you talking about? I'm talking about a global situation, the latest manifestation of which happens to be occurring in England at the moment. imo you cant talk about the globe as if it was one system, its not, each country has its own ways of doing things, taxing, etc. It has always been that way, each country has to solve its own problems in its own ways.

tj444 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:47:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig I agree, I don't think there will be any substantive changes in the UK, and that's why I made the prediction that these riots were only the beginning of a period of growing unrest. so if there wont be any substantive changes then why burn down London?

Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:48:28 AM)
It' the whole free market dominated international economic system that is broken. that is why there is increasing unrest around the world. The poor people are getting poorer all over the world, and the rich are getting richer all over the world. Those who have nothing, are getting fed up with the situation.

Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:50:07 AM)
quote: so if there wont be any substantive changes then why burn down London? Because those people are angry and frustrated, and feel disempowered. They feel they have no other outlet but to go on a rampage. And that is why I think there will be more riots.

tj444 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:52:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: so if there wont be any substantive changes then why burn down London? Because those people are angry and frustrated, and feel disempowered. They feel they have no other outlet but to go on a rampage. And that is why I think there will be more riots. not if they are all in jail

Arpig -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 1:56:36 AM)
quote: not if they are all in jail LMMFAO!!! Now you're going to jail thousands of people all over England? How many will you jail? 10,000? 100,000, 1 million, 2, 3 million? That didn't work very well for the Tsars, or Louis XVI, did it?

tj444 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 2:00:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig It' the whole free market dominated international economic system that is broken. that is why there is increasing unrest around the world. The poor people are getting poorer all over the world, and the rich are getting richer all over the world. Those who have nothing, are getting fed up with the situation. imo people themselves need to decide if they want to be one of the poor ones or not. I personally do not want to be one of the poor ones, been there, done that. And I dont see anyone that is gonna hand me or anyone else a free ride.

tj444 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 2:03:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: not if they are all in jail LMMFAO!!! Now you're going to jail thousands of people all over England? How many will you jail? 10,000? 100,000, 1 million, 2, 3 million? That didn't work very well for the Tsars, or Louis XVI, did it? just the ones doing the damage.. [>:]

Politesub53 -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/9/2011 2:32:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Frustrated and angry that the free money is going to stop. Unfortunatly the citizens of London have been disarmed so they have no way to protect themselves or their businesses. It is rather sad actually. As per usual, more ill-informed crap. Firstly it would seem many of those involved in last nights trouble were just young kids out to rob premises. Secondly Londoners dont feel the need to carry arms and havent done so for 200 years. It is sad that you are unable to actually read whats going on, let alone understand the causes, before posting right wing B/s. 1) The intial protest in Tottenham was over a young black male being shot by the police. 2) That protest spread into some mindless violence and looting 3) Teenagers, most of who wouldnt qualify for any kind of government assistance, looked to be responsible for last nights widespread vandalism and looting. 4) The troublemakers were not restricted to one ethnic group. Lay the blame where you like but government cuts and a lack of guns were not responsible for the events of the last few days.

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