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Aneirin -> RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of protest? (8/11/2011 10:55:28 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Marini
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
But if capitalism is seen to be failing and it is, as a world population ever increasing kind of puts pressure on the requirements for capitalism to work and not be attacked, what is the way forward, a sure as, out and out communism doesn't work either, but there are elements in both that are good, so where to go next ?
I know what about an amalgamation of the two, for sure it can be worked, prosperity without greed perhaps and poorness without poverty, lower the bar for the highest earners and raise the bar for the lowest.
And from my point of view, a person who comes from a 'make do and mend' mentality, learn to live with what we have, products designed to last and a service network that provides parts for products to be repaired, as increasingly in my capacity as a repairman I am seeing more and more products becoming available that have no spares back up, the broken product is a waste of materials and resources, energy thrown away.
Right now I can see the western world accelerating towards poverty and those in the world that have seen us, what we have and there they want protest against their governments to have the same not understanding what we have is not for long term gain, but quick thrill entertainment and enrichment of the few.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money. ~Cree Indian Proverb
Perhaps we all need to just slow down and live life as it is without seeking the next thrill to make life more than it is.
Capitalism could in theory work, but people almost always "forget" to mention the greed factor.
Why have so many corporations outsourced so many jobs?
They wanted to maximize the "profit margin", so sending our jobs to 3rd world countries is better than making less profit and keeping the jobs locally,right?
Now, we have few jobs, and the topic is "How are we going to CREATE jobs?"
This wonderful global economy is really working isn't it?
HA!
What a wonderful and thoughtful post!
Thank You, I do try to be constructive in what I put on here most of the time.
But as to the outsourcing of jobs to cheaper economies, it could be looked at as corporations are investing in these cheaper economies by giving jobs and paying wages, which in turn stimulates their economy, look at India in this respect and how fast it is climbing, similarly look elsewhere were once our national industry has gone whilst the head office remains at home.
So sure corporations whilst maximising profits initially they are also helping poorer parts of the world get a foot on the rung of everything better that we have come to know, but that does not solve the problem we have with declining employment opportunities and unchecked population increase via birth or immigration.
But as to immigration, although I bear no ill will to those who wish to better themselves by moving to another country to seek their fortune, I do have to question the availability of housing and employment in the host country, that is, is there a surplus ? Or is it assumed that once an immigrant gets where ever it is every man for themselves because there is no loyalty to nationals, they are in the pot with all the others and must fight it out for themselves by working harder for less pay and living in the crappiest conditions as an incentive to do better ?
Should there be protectionism on nationals ?
But i would like to see the various governments provide data as to the projected availability of employment and housing and with that, if an immigrants are to be accepted, how many per year and with that birth control of those already living in a country, as uninhibited breeding also drains finances. Now one might say, how can a western government do that, how can they control family size, well in the UK do not give child benefit for extra children and also deny them schooling. something similar worked in China, perhaps we need to learn from them.
For our countries to get better, I fear they are going to have to get a whole lot worse yet and with that worse, expect a change in politics, a change which will leave a lot of us less free'er. But I do believe governmental plans are already in place for such a change.
Now, I just observe, never get involved with actions as all they are really is venting of feelings and they rarely do any good because the system is tight, but it is pretty damned clear to me the western world is declining, if I knew this in my youth, I too would be an immigrant to another country, a country which has yet to reach it's greatness in this world. As it is nearly all of my friends from my schooldays have emmigrated to New Zealand, Canada and Australia and there started businesses and obtained a far better lifestyle than they could ever wish for in Britain.
Perhaps the writing is on the wall peoples
Last one out turn off the lights.
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