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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 8:09:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Am I reading this correctly? So the cop who shot the guy is upset that the family had been mislead into believing that their family member had shot first..He's upset...He is..This guy is upset....

"The firearms officer who shot Duggan has said that he never claimed he was fired at and is understood to be upset that the family might have been misled into believing this."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/12/uk-riots-day-six-aftermath

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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 12:57:39 PM   
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Am I reading this correctly? So the cop who shot the guy is upset that the family had been mislead into believing that their family member had shot first..He's upset...He is..This guy is upset....

"The firearms officer who shot Duggan has said that he never claimed he was fired at and is understood to be upset that the family might have been misled into believing this."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/12/uk-riots-day-six-aftermath


I have only seen this claim in the Guardian. I am sure if the officer had passed comment, which I doubt, other media sources would have got wind of it.

The IPCC were under pressure to make a quick statement and got it wrong. That said, an officer was shot and lucky to be alive. One of the shots aimed at Duggan went through his arm and hit the officers radio. From what has been said so far, Duggan had a gun inside a sock, criminals in the UK do this for two reasons, to both catch the spent cartridge and to stop gunpowder residue from getting on thier hands. This makes detection harder. Lets not forget though, Duggan was in possesion of an illegal gun and under UK Law police only have to think a life (anyones) is in danger before opening fire.

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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 1:11:47 PM   
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From what has been said so far, Duggan had a gun inside a sock, criminals in the UK do this for two reasons, to both catch the spent cartridge and to stop gunpowder residue from getting on thier hands. This makes detection harder. Lets not forget though, Duggan was in possesion of an illegal gun and under UK Law police only have to think a life (anyones) is in danger before opening fire.


I thought he was carrying it in his sock, as in storing it, because I thought that when you are checked for weapons or drugs, they can search you without a warrant but not your underwear. You mean he wasn't carrying it in the sock but was carrying a sock with him, in which he had stored a gun?

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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 2:43:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		That was what I read at some stage this week yes. He may well have been wearing a sock with his gun in it, but it certainly didnt read that way, and as I say, waiting for the official IPCC report will be the best thing to do.


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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 3:38:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Never ocured to me to read it like this, which indeed would put a different slant on things. I hope they hurry up with the official investigation, personally I am having a bit of trouble seeing him as the innocent, hard working family man who was just targeted because he's black, I've been talking to a former colleague who still works as a journalist and they've been trying to dig up his employment history, only there doesn't seem to be any, but a bunch of rather expensive cars and expensive jewelry, I guess that could all have been presents...

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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 3:47:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		it seems fairly clear that he was a bad mutha fucka but shooting him still seems a little over the top. I think we would know by now if he was waving a shooter around... but lets see what "facts" the rozzers can conjure up

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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 5:02:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		As I said a few times before, I think shooting was wrong, but the moral outrage about having shot the "upstanding member of the community who never put a foot wrong and was targeted on account of the colour of his skin by those evil cops" also seems a bit skewered. I mean how many people will go rioting because a known drug dealer was shot? In different parts of the country and looting goods as part of their protest?

In the past few days I had people yell at me because obviously I don't sound Northern, been told to fuck back off to where I came from and not ask them to pick up their dog shit as it is "their effing country and they do effing what they like to do and don't need an effing posh/foreign c*nt to tell them", oddly enough my English seems to be more fluent than theirs, less accented and nope, never claimed benefits, also didn't take part in the riots but decided it's about time to look for jobs in other countries and just rent the house out. I feel a bit too welcome...

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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 5:04:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought you were in London, with us civilised types.....lol

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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 5:39:34 PM   
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I thought you were in London, with us civilised types.....lol



Only once or twice a week, the rest of the time I am stuck with the people speaking in a Northern grunt and do my best to not acquire it, Peon describes my accent as "vaguely Scandinavian" and most of the people say "Old fashioned BBC" - I'm not THAT old!

London is very different from the rest of the UK, but then again most of the people living in London aren't English, maybe that's why I like it so much?

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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 6:50:20 PM   
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I thought you were in London, with us civilised types.....lol



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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/12/2011 8:54:21 PM   
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RE: Riots continue to spread in UK/ is this a means of ... - 8/13/2011 2:19:36 AM   
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So can we safely assume that you don't know how you came to the 90% or should we think that you made that number up and figured nobody would say anything?


As I pointed out, the figure is based on the GDP tax rate, with the doubling being an approximation based on the notion that the bulk of this spending is also domestic, and that this spending enters back into the GDP as a consequence of that. Wikipedia and SSB are both giving GDP tax rates of 40~45% over a significant span of time, which translates to an approximate 80~90% effective taxation.

You may agree or disagree with the method as you like, but your assumptions are incorrect.

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I've essentially asked for a workup and tj has asked for links to support your figures and you seem to be ignoring them. Which is fine, your choice but when you say something that seems ridiculous, you can't blame people for saying "Back up your statements."


Not blaming you for that. And I sent tj a PM in addition to the earlier post. Since I posted the details, though, it's time to move on to complaining about the validity of the method. And, just in case we lose sight of the point, the neat little WP article I mentioned as an anglophone source notes that it's the highest rate in the OPEC countries.

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