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Taking control of the house by winning all six races would have been a complete win.
Winning two of the seats is still a win for dems.
Then of course there was all the cheating the cons did,which is reminiscent of Florida 2000.
Republicans lost two seats in a recall election.
That can`t be spun as a con win.
14 months from now is another election,this and the recent NY state special election(which cons lost) doesn`t bowed well for cons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York's_26th_congressional_district_special_election,_2011
That was a long time "safe" seat,held by cons for decades and was won by a liberal who campaigned against messing with medicare and SS benefits.
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-new-york/wisconsin-recall-election-shows-pendulum-is-swinging-back-to-the-democrats
"Wisconsin recall election shows pendulum is swinging back to the Democrats"
"Four Republicans dodged a bullet last night as voters turned out in the thousands to vote in a special state senate recall election for six senate seats. However, two Republicans lost and losing 1/3 of your state senate seats when all the districts represented in the recall were Republican was a huge loss for Governor Scott Walker."
Folks shouldn`d wait for the sanitizer and his ilk to admit defeat on any issue.
Even if all 6 seats were lost,they`s still be in denile.
Actually, owner, how I see it is in terms of my own thinking. Like I said, I'm on both sides of this issue. Prior to a union job, our household income was squat. At the same time, I've seen with my own eyes how unions can and sometimes do destroy a work ethic at the expense of everyone else. So yeah, if I'd been voting, I'd have had a lot to think about.
I think that's what this outcome represents. I didn't say the effort was a failure. I said, dems fall short as in did not achieve the aim of the millions of dollars that poured into the contest, nor was the outcome representative of hopes behind instituting a drive for recall in the first place The people who did so certainly did not hope or want to end up with Republicans still in control.
I also posted all those links to point out the fact that it wasn't some vast right wing conspiracy to downplay the results. Even msnbc ran a "fell short" lead.
What I find odd in terms of partisan politics is that this effort would most likely have never gotten off the ground without outside influence and outside dollars, which apparently is ok with dems as long as it helps their cause, but is shitty and indicative of a corrupt structure against which we must unite if it helps the other side.
The fact of the matter is, cuts must come from somewhere and making them is going to be painful. It is also a fact that unions traditionally line up behind democrats, and many saw it as a direct attack on the democratic party. Maybe it was, but another fact in this debacle is that despite millions pouring in from out of state to influence votes, a plurality of state voters opted to stay with the party in charge.
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