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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:04:19 AM   
Edwynn


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There is no need for re-distribution of wealth or "share the wealth" measures, etc.

That is, if the laws were changed from the current status of relieving the largest corporations, especially the oil companies, of their full tax obligations and then sending our tax dollars to them in the form of numerous subsidies, tax credits, oil depletion allowance, etc.

The oil companies successfully mounted a recall campaign in California and routed out governor Grey Davis because he had the temerity to want Chevron and the others to actually pay the state for the oil they pumped within Cali borders. Even Alaska and Texas get a few pennies from it, but not Cali. (which is why the former two states never have any serious budget problems while California is a beggar state).

Georgia and New Jersey had just put anti-predatory lending laws in place, whereupon Standard and Poors came along and bullied them into rescinding those laws.

Do you see some issue with corporate concerns possibly conflicting with democracy here? Just possibly?

The misallocation of resources goes far beyond mere excessive tax breaks to the wealthiest, let's make that clear.

And if our present  unemployment situation has anything at all  to do with "specific government action," indeed we can go back to the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act or the Commodity Futures Trading Modernization Act in allowing the collateralized debt obligations (CDO) and the partner credit default swaps to run amok without any government oversight whatsoever.

How many jobs and how much "wealth" was 'created' from all that?

PS

Massive home foreclosures and business bankruptcies are not referred to as "wealth creation" in most business or economics classes, just to clear that up.

Why I consider you an ideologue and not a very smart one is clear in this post.

You throw all kinds of straw-men out there, claim I believe them, do it from a attitude of economic ignorance, and then act superior.

What a fucking klutz.

Firm




Failure to comprehend or accept facts on your part does not constitute ignorance on my part.

Everything in the post was factual, but if you think otherwise, you are welcome to refute point by point.

Your reference to another who provides facts as being an "idealogue" speaks plenty here.


PS

The "who did you vote for?" question was not even directed to you. Another troublesome fact.







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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:07:11 AM   
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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:08:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

There is no need for re-distribution of wealth or "share the wealth" measures, etc.

That is, if the laws were changed from the current status of relieving the largest corporations, especially the oil companies, of their full tax obligations and then sending our tax dollars to them in the form of numerous subsidies, tax credits, oil depletion allowance, etc.

The oil companies successfully mounted a recall campaign in California and routed out governor Grey Davis because he had the temerity to want Chevron and the others to actually pay the state for the oil they pumped within Cali borders. Even Alaska and Texas get a few pennies from it, but not Cali. (which is why the former two states never have any serious budget problems while California is a beggar state).

Georgia and New Jersey had just put anti-predatory lending laws in place, whereupon Standard and Poors came along and bullied them into rescinding those laws.

Do you see some issue with corporate concerns possibly conflicting with democracy here? Just possibly?

The misallocation of resources goes far beyond mere excessive tax breaks to the wealthiest, let's make that clear.

And if our present  unemployment situation has anything at all  to do with "specific government action," indeed we can go back to the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act or the Commodity Futures Trading Modernization Act in allowing the collateralized debt obligations (CDO) and the partner credit default swaps to run amok without any government oversight whatsoever.

How many jobs and how much "wealth" was 'created' from all that?

PS

Massive home foreclosures and business bankruptcies are not referred to as "wealth creation" in most business or economics classes, just to clear that up.

Why I consider you an ideologue and not a very smart one is clear in this post.

You throw all kinds of straw-men out there, claim I believe them, do it from a attitude of economic ignorance, and then act superior.

What a fucking klutz.

Firm




Failure to comprehend or accept facts on your part does not constitute ignorance on my part.

Everything in the post was factual, but if you think otherwise, you are welcome to refute point by point.

Your reference to another who provides facts as being an "idealogue" speaks plenty here.






Edwynn have to remember Firm is a genius...Just trying to impart his infinite wisdom to us lower lifes

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:10:56 AM   
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Think tj said he was Canadian which makes him automatically not in the firm sanity wilbe strangerthan, camp.....

ummm, tj is a she... being for small/med business doesnt automatically make one a male, ya know..

There are a few women that do start businesses, do create jobs and imo, most of them are not the greedy bastards like the ones that sit on the boards of those huge corps... hey, now theres an idea, remove all the men from the boards of all the huge corps and replace them with women.. problem solved..

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:12:03 AM   
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I was going to vote for him myself, Firm, but in the end, he really didnt grab me. Know whadda mean?

hee!

If anyone would understand NYOFB without asking, I thought it would be you! 

I voted for s/he is almost every election I voted in.

Firm




Let it never be said I don't review the issues and the candidates stands on them, while I did not vote for Nunya, I would have voted for Sam Nunn had he run............(several times, since I'm identified as Democrat out here).



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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:12:05 AM   
FirmhandKY


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Failure to comprehend or accept facts on your part does not constitute ignorance on my part.

Everything in the post was factual, but if you think otherwise, you are welcome to refute point by point.

Your reference to another who provides facts as being an "idealogue" speaks plenty here.

My comments and conclusions stand.

Go back and read tweak, and my comments to her, and if you can carry on a conversation along those lines, I might be willing to change my mind.


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

The "who did you vote for?" question was not even directed to you. Another troublesome fact.

Deal with it.

Firm


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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:13:13 AM   
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Edwynn have to remember Firm is a genius...Just trying to impart his infinite wisdom to us lower lifes

Fleabagger! 

Firm


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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:14:11 AM   
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Think tj said he was Canadian which makes him automatically not in the firm sanity wilbe strangerthan, camp.....

ummm, tj is a she... being for small/med business doesnt automatically make one a male, ya know..


A thousand apologies

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:16:37 AM   
DomYngBlk


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Edwynn have to remember Firm is a genius...Just trying to impart his infinite wisdom to us lower lifes

Fleabagger! 

Firm



See, it just sad and weak. Can't you think of something else?


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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:16:43 AM   
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Think tj said he was Canadian which makes him automatically not in the firm sanity wilbe strangerthan, camp.....

ummm, tj is a she... being for small/med business doesnt automatically make one a male, ya know..


Yeah, the titmouse was a subtle giveaway in my book....maybe it's just me......

Am I the only one?


BTW, canucks don't vote? I didnt know that was a dictatorship up there now.

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:17:02 AM   
FirmhandKY


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Think tj said he was Canadian which makes him automatically not in the firm sanity wilbe strangerthan, camp.....

ummm, tj is a she... being for small/med business doesnt automatically make one a male, ya know..

Didn't you know?

Anyone who argues a point that sounds even remotely conservative is a angry, white, male, rich, racist bastard.

It's on page 36 of the Redistributionist's Manual.

Firm


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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:20:38 AM   
FirmhandKY


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Edwynn have to remember Firm is a genius...Just trying to impart his infinite wisdom to us lower lifes

Fleabagger! 


See, it just sad and weak. Can't you think of something else?

Hell, I've got an entire thread, trying to come up with some good stuff! 

How about any of these?

proggy
titsuckers
teat suckler
Syphs
moneybaggers
Borrowers
Brown Bagger
carpetbaggers

Firm


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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:23:36 AM   
tj444


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BTW, canucks don't vote? I didnt know that was a dictatorship up there now.

well, I am not up there at present, i am down here (in the US)..

but no, when i was in Canada i did not vote for various reasons.. well, i did not vote in the traditional sense of the word,.. one can vote with their feet.. (although I did not leave due to political reasons)

But imo, since i can vote with my feet (meaning leave the country), I dont feel it is up to me to impose my political viewpoint on others there by voting, I leave it to them to decide their own destiny.. I do have my opinions tho..

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:33:07 AM   
Edwynn


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How about any of these?

proggy
titsuckers
teat suckler
Syphs
moneybaggers
Borrowers
Brown Bagger
carpetbaggers

Firm




There you go!

Thank you for describing the oil and financial and agro-chem and pharmaceutical industries so perfectly, especially the Koch brothers  in particular.




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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:35:16 AM   
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BTW, canucks don't vote? I didnt know that was a dictatorship up there now.

well, I am not up there at present, i am down here (in the US)..

but no, when i was in Canada i did not vote for various reasons.. well, i did not vote in the traditional sense of the word,.. one can vote with their feet.. (although I did not leave due to political reasons)

But imo, since i can vote with my feet (meaning leave the country), I dont feel it is up to me to impose my political viewpoint on others there by voting, I leave it to them to decide their own destiny.. I do have my opinions tho..


you left?

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:38:42 AM   
DomYngBlk


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Edwynn have to remember Firm is a genius...Just trying to impart his infinite wisdom to us lower lifes

Fleabagger! 


See, it just sad and weak. Can't you think of something else?

Hell, I've got an entire thread, trying to come up with some good stuff! 

How about any of these?

proggy
titsuckers
teat suckler
Syphs
moneybaggers
Borrowers
Brown Bagger
carpetbaggers

Firm



Shrugs. I dunno. Not going to foam like yall do over teabagger if you put those on me. Two of them I am...teat, tit sucker....so those don't work. And there is no instant connotation with the others. The real point is that Republicans named themselves tea partiers thereby giving us the ammunition to shoot with. Its only something the right is capable of

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:42:12 AM   
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Anyone who argues a point that sounds even remotely conservative is a angry, white, male, rich, racist bastard.

It's on page 36 of the Redistributionist's Manual.

Firm



Is there a conservative whining manual?

Because between you and a few others here I'm starting to get sick of listening to it.

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:42:57 AM   
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you left?

Yes.

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:47:48 AM   
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Anyone who argues a point that sounds even remotely conservative is a angry, white, male, rich, racist bastard.

It's on page 36 of the Redistributionist's Manual.

Firm



Is there a conservative whining manual?

Because between you and a few others here I'm starting to get sick of listening to it.



rule, strippers? you? seriously?

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RE: Yet .....ANOTHER....study regarding the wealthy - 8/12/2011 7:49:20 AM   
DomYngBlk


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Think tj said he was Canadian which makes him automatically not in the firm sanity wilbe strangerthan, camp.....

ummm, tj is a she... being for small/med business doesnt automatically make one a male, ya know..

Didn't you know?

Anyone who argues a point that sounds even remotely conservative is a angry, white, male, rich, racist bastard.

It's on page 36 of the Redistributionist's Manual.

Firm



There you go again

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