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tj444 -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 8:15:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel http://www.getamericafit.org/statistics-obesity-in-america.html i would think todays numbers and the future projections would be rather shocking... yes, i do think people underestimate the trend with kids,.. If health insurance companies base rates based in part on a persons obesity, then does that encourage companies looking to hire new employees to reject obese applicants more often?

LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 8:24:48 AM)
When I was still driving truck, I looked at one company to see if I might want to apply with them. They had a BMI limit. Obviously, a person's BMI doesn't show whether one is unhealthy or not, and in order to go to work for any trucking outfit, one needs to get a fresh new medical card, which means a medical exam. So I believe it was that company's insurance company who said if they had drivers with lower BMI's their insurance rates would be lower. Again, this doesn't take into consideration that muscle weighs more than fat & that many truck drivers are in pretty great shape due to having to toss freight around. But I suppose that the statistics that show that people with a BMI above a certain number tend to use their medical insurance more is what this is based on. I remember many a time when I would have to do something very strenuous physically & often men would come to see if I needed help, because what they saw was a fat old lady. When I would say no thank you & do the task, some of them would chuckle & say, "I probably should have you help me!!!" I wonder how many other industries this BMI limit on prospective employees will affect?

JWriter -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 8:32:11 AM)
quote: Again, this doesn't take into consideration that muscle weighs more than fat A long time ago, there was a news story about a soldier who was going to be kicked out of the military, given a dishonorable discharge, based on the fact that was extremely overweight and showing no desire or ability to change his unhealthy state of being. He was a bodybuilder, who was average height (5'8" - 5'10") who weighed around 250 lbs. They had given him so many weeks to drop 50 lbs, through diet and exercise; but, of course he could not do it, because, he had no fat to drop. However, he was far above his BMI and that's all that counted.

Icarys -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 8:37:05 AM)
quote: As long as there's red velvet cake, you can lead me anywhere. ;) Man, are you easy. [:D]

barelynangel -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 8:37:48 AM)
Ugh, i put the wrong link. But people are welcome to do their own research. Here is the link i meant to put up: http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/index.html angel

Icarys -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 8:39:48 AM)
I'm a chunky monkey and being overweight hasn't stopped me from being successful. The ones I've dated don't seem to mind one bit and probably would laugh at the thought that it hinders me from being Dominant. I know I had a good laugh at it. [:D] Edit cause I screwed up. [:D]

LaTigresse -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 8:45:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis When I was still driving truck, I looked at one company to see if I might want to apply with them. They had a BMI limit. Obviously, a person's BMI doesn't show whether one is unhealthy or not, and in order to go to work for any trucking outfit, one needs to get a fresh new medical card, which means a medical exam. So I believe it was that company's insurance company who said if they had drivers with lower BMI's their insurance rates would be lower. Again, this doesn't take into consideration that muscle weighs more than fat & that many truck drivers are in pretty great shape due to having to toss freight around. But I suppose that the statistics that show that people with a BMI above a certain number tend to use their medical insurance more is what this is based on. I remember many a time when I would have to do something very strenuous physically & often men would come to see if I needed help, because what they saw was a fat old lady. When I would say no thank you & do the task, some of them would chuckle & say, "I probably should have you help me!!!" I wonder how many other industries this BMI limit on prospective employees will affect? I know we would never hire a morbidly obese person as they could not do the jobs we might have available.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 8:50:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: As long as there's red velvet cake, you can lead me anywhere. ;) Man, are you easy. [:D] Yes, I know. sad sigh I'm a cake whore...but don't tell anyone, 'kay? :D

Icarys -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 8:59:39 AM)
quote: Yes, I know. sad sigh I'm a cake whore...but don't tell anyone, 'kay? :D Oh yeah, I see it now.. "The House of Red Velvet". Many waddling wenches tending to my every whim fueled solely by their dependency on Red Velvet cake. ~CakeCommander

barelynangel -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 9:06:08 AM)
I doubt it TJ, but appearance is always a concept reviewed when someone interviews-- people who don't believe so are naive. But i don't think insurance premiums is a major consideration when hiring someone. The thing is, many company's now are pushing the employees to pay for more and more of their premiums. So in effect, it's being put on the employees out of pocket expenses. Many company's also are getting together fitness groups and such to help their employees with fitness and such - some health clubs offer incentives to company's who join under a corporate group etc. I have trouble with BMI also being the determiner of obesity. My body fat in college was 18% and yet my BMI was 25.8 which was just overweight, i wore a size 10 jeans. I was also 6' tall and a college basketball player. I have a friend who's body fat percentage was 14% AS A WOMAN that seriously was amazing. But looking at her you couldn't mistake she was all muscle. I think they need to start moving to determining body fat percentage to determine overweight and obesity. This is why i tell people i work with to take neked pics every month, to measure measure measure and use the scale only as a concept of how your body weight fluctuates from hour to hours or day to day or throughout the month, and buy jeans or a nonstretchable piece of clothing in every size from the size you are to the size you want to be and allow those to be the measure of your success. I WISH most people were obese because there muscle makes the scale and BMI so high. Sorry i am calling BS if the implication is many people's BMI is so high because they are mostly muscle. Let's be realistic folks. You can LOOK at someone and tell their body fat is massively high. Sorry to take away that excuse lol but seriously folks, the majority of fat people who are obese and have a high BMI are not low body fat and it's muscle causing their obesity. I am the first one to admit that BMI is not a good use of the CDC's determination of obesity but come on --- let's be realistic. The problem is its hard to measure body fat -- they have a traveling water measure around here for $50 bucks i think i am going to try at the end of the year. But it's not convenient like the BMI measure -- scales are usually around somewhere and people tend to know their height -- though watch out you do shrink lol i did -- i was 6' in college and somewhere in my late 20's early 30's was 5'10. angel

barelynangel -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 9:07:45 AM)
There are many company's who have requirements of a body before hiring them. I don't blame them due to lawsuits and worker compensation claims when someone get's hurt on the job. angel

thishereboi -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 9:12:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Yeah that's it. Let's take something very specific and make it personal to all the fat people in the world so people can just bitch and moan about being fat and people do discuss fat people. Let's read into this concept even though the OP specifically mentioned she doesn't see the majority Dominant WOMEN who don't let themselves go -- what Dominant women don't have the same issues as Masters? That in itself is another discussion that could be had from the OP. But nope, let's make it all about fat PEOPLE. Yeah, let's do what we always do in fat threads and make it people getting offended and bitching because we are talking about FAT people. The fact that people give opinions about ALL TYPES of expectations for Masters and such doesn't matter because this is about FAT Masters -- omg, Lady Constanza you are one of the many people who run all over these boards giving your expectations of people in these types of relationships, just because you want to make this thread about fat people doesn't mean it actually is. Maybe if you look at it like some people in this thread are commenting -- you may find yourself having a discussion like you do with regard to any other Master or hell even Mistress or submissive expectations and standards. But i guess that's too easy -- let's make it all about fat people because then i can jump in and be indignant, be offended and pretty much have a bitch thread for the day. All in all, this thread will end up as the rest -- i would really love to see how people do view fat/out of shape men who call themselves masters or approach them as looking to be a potential master. It can even go farther and speak about scening or doing BDSM activities which are a preference for many and how a Man who is fat and out of shape would do for those activities that need endurance and being in some semblance of shape. But i guess that won't happen because Lady Constanza and others want to make the thread a Fat thread to bitch and moan and be offended. I don't agree with how the OP worded her rant, but the TOPIC in and of itself is one that goes along with expectations and standards people have of the men who want to or do own them. But i guess its too easy let's just make it a fat thread. n Why change the status quo? angel The first sentence of the op states "Fat people are an issue I would like to address finally......" no mention of masters there, then she goes on to say..."I have been extremely frustrated for many many years now, especially in my local area, with the shear volume of people in my BDSM pool who just do not take care of themselves at all!" still no mention of masters. After that she brings up masters and makes some stupid crack about how she hasn't noticed "And don't think I haven't noticed that MOST reliable crediable Mistresses are NOT fat!!" Now personally I haven't noticed that the masters tend to be any fatter than the mistresses, but then again I don't really care what someone I am not with is doing with their body. That would be their partners problem. Then she goes back to "I just had to get this out and yeah I know some fat people are fat because of XY&Z but thats a very small percentage..... It's just very agrivating and I feel it's the elephant in the room really......so thanks for giving me somewhere to rant." again not mentioning masters specifically. So why are you surprised that people are reacting to her little rant? I'm not. As to how people view overweight masters....unless you are with the guy, why do you give a fuck what they look like or how they run their house. It is really no one elses business.

LaTigresse -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 9:15:31 AM)
I don't think ANYONE is surprised at the negative flack the OP got for her post.

JWriter -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 9:19:21 AM)
quote: i was 6' in college and somewhere in my late 20's early 30's was 5'10. If you've not done so, already, you might give Callanetics a try. Stress can cause the space between your bones and vertebrae to compact, due to the constant pull of the muscles. And, if you are healthy, not experiencing bone loss or some nasty disease of the spinal tissue, that is the most likely cause of shrinkage that occurs in the relatively youthful. Callanetics, especially done very slowly, helps release the muscle tension. When I was going through my divorce, I was back down to being 5'4", but, I was over 5'7" right before I got married, and, after doing a session or two of Callanetics, one day, I was 5'5-1/2" suddenly. A lot of popping and soreness occurred, too. Now, I am 5'6-1/2. So, not back there, yet, but, then, on top of everything else, someone kept stealing my Callanetics books and CDs lol Anyway, just a thought. It helped me, it might help you.

impishlilhellcat -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 9:19:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel There are many company's who have requirements of a body before hiring them. I don't blame them due to lawsuits and worker compensation claims when someone get's hurt on the job. angel My previous company had a lot of overweight people employed at the company. It really was their own fault for paying for all the lunches and dinners and things like that. People would hear the company was paying and then really over eat... I've been avoiding this post because as DRH stated we really are beating a dead horse. I just wanted to say that my previous insurance made us get a physical every year. Depending upon what the doctor said about weight, blood pressure, etc.... that was how your insurance rate was determined. They also, offered health club discounts, get healthy incentives, the biggest loser competitions, weight watchers, and of course classes that would help you quit smoking. That didn't stop people form taking advantage of employee paid meals, but it did force some of the people to start working out and trying to lose weight.

LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 9:26:23 AM)
I think that this is a fat thread that actually is providing some information & a good discussion forum for an issue which is relevant. I'm quite enjoying it. I like what your company did about yearly medical exams & basing one's insurance premiums on the results of that exam. This way each person is responsible for their own health costs & it's not spread company-wide. It also provides an incentive to maintain a healthier lifestyle. I would love to work for a company like that.

barelynangel -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 9:27:15 AM)
Thanks Jwriter, i will look into it. I grew so much in one summer when i was a kid that my docs warned me that i would have a hard time as i got older. I guess i shouldn't have thought i was invincible lol. Thanks for the info.

barelynangel -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 9:31:24 AM)
Hi Impishhellcat, That would be interesting, i am not sure people would appreciate having to get physicals every year however and allowing our company to know the results - i.e., they would know something based on how much each employee paid. Grins, we are a law firm lol they would find a whole bunch of issues with it. The company doesn't get to know what the individual has put in their questionnaire, the company just gets a quote from the insurance company. It's interesting though -- i don't know if i would be too keen on having to get a physical for work every year though. I have a hard enough issue seeing doc when he requires it lol. angel

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 10:22:05 AM)
quote: i am not sure people would appreciate having to get physicals every year People have a yearly physical anyway...then again like you said, a law office. I can see the lawsuits flying lol. There would probably be a danger of drowning in paper.

impishlilhellcat -> RE: Fat People (8/14/2011 10:47:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Hi Impishhellcat, That would be interesting, i am not sure people would appreciate having to get physicals every year however and allowing our company to know the results - i.e., they would know something based on how much each employee paid. Grins, we are a law firm lol they would find a whole bunch of issues with it. The company doesn't get to know what the individual has put in their questionnaire, the company just gets a quote from the insurance company. It's interesting though -- i don't know if i would be too keen on having to get a physical for work every year though. I have a hard enough issue seeing doc when he requires it lol. angel There was a lot of grumbling about it. Especially from those that were over 300lbs+. It wasn't directly released to HR it was just mandated by the insurance company that if you wanted decent rates you had to have a yearly physical that they covered and the results were released to the insurance company. If you didn't get the physical then you paid the highest rate. You didn't have to get the physical, but you did have to pay the consequences if you failed to do so. Just like at the last two jobs I worked at smokers paid a higher insurance rate. If you took the class then after 6 months you could change your rate. You had to sign a waiver saying you haven't used tobacco in X amount of days. I think the idea was to make people be responsible for their health. While weight isn't always indicative of health, Linnaea stated her health stats and I have similar stats, but a good majority of the over weight people there didn't eat healthy, didn't exercise, and just plain didn't care. My boss has crazy high blood pressure, but that didn't stop her from ordering the most expensive (usually fatty thing) on the menu when the company paid. When we took company trips we had to get a taxi because she couldn't/wouldn't walk. She used her high blood pressure as an excuse. It was in my eyes ridiculous, but then again her idea of health was skewed in my eyes.

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