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barelynangel -> RE: Fat People (8/13/2011 11:58:23 AM)
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I can answer this. My ex owner was fat. His endurance during "scenes" was plenty enough to turn me into a heap on the floor after hours and hours of him enjoying his sadistic pleasures on me.
However. It did bother me that he was fat, I won't lie. Then again, I was fat, too, and that bothered me as well. The issue I had was he was (is) diabetic and you'd never know it by the way he ate. This disturbed me, and if I had been honest with myself (which I wasn't, at the time), I'd have admitted I lost some respect for him because of it. But that's neither here nor there - I didn't have much respect for myself then, either.
I do think so much focus on fat is silly, though. There are all sorts of areas in which we can scrutinize somebody's life to determine if they have enough self-mastery to master another. For some reason, fat seems to get the most attention. Do we see endless threads about masters who can't balance their checkbooks? Or who have too much debt (because after all, who doesn't these days)? Or any other "unmasterly" reasons? Nope. Fat seems to be the prevailing issue.
So what if he wasn't able to turn you into a heap BECAUSE of his weight? Was that inportant enough in your relationship that would have effected your respect failing sooner or even before you got together with him as a whole?
Why did you lose respect for him may i ask? Was it because you had expectations of him to be able to control aspects of his life he should be able?
Do you think if he was in better shape, ate better and such -- you may have followed his lead and his unspoken expectation? Do you think if he demanded better dishes to eat, more focused on controling his diabetes etc, you may have changed what you did for yourself and maybe your own self-respect would have been higher because you respected himeself, and even the atmosphere and such he maintained himself in?
It's been known that people tend to what's the concept i am thinking of, they become like the people they surround themselves with. So if you have a Master <--- this is VERY important concept -- who gave no respect to himself, cared little about his own health problems and such and that is the atmosphere you lived within -- don't you expect the slave to fall into such a following of him and start to exist in the lack of self-respect?
This is what i see the OP speaking about in looking at Men who call themselves Masters. As i said, a lot of it has to do more than just LOOKING at them but to find out the whole of how their weight and such effect their lives and things you are interested in.
If he was a Man who worked to lose weight, a Man who ate sensibly and towards controllling his illness, and who worked to maintain an atmosphere wherein you were allowed to respect yourself because of the man you followed --- do you think it would have been different?
grins, i would love to talk financials lol but people get just as wigged out because they see every attempt to be negative towards poor people. All financial type threads where you talk about expectations of masters tend to end up like the fat threads from what i have seen. The only ones that tend to not go to hell i have only seen in the Mistress section. BUt i also believe a lot of this is because many people don't differentiate in their minds the concepts of Masters, Doms and submissives, slaves. They see them all as equal so many times you see an equal attempt at comparing them.
I see them as different so i tend to piss a lot of people off because i do have different standards for Masters and the slave, Doms and the submissive -- they are not equal in expectation or standards because of the roles they are in the relationship and the control and such.
angel
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