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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 6:36:34 PM   
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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 6:59:49 PM   
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Locked, I oppose the tea party.  Of course not all of the people nor all of the principals.  But on the balance I oppose the Tea Party.

I'm not on welfare or any other government program.  I am a small business employer and I pay my taxes.  In the past I've worked in as a strategic business planner for banks and also as a political consultant.  I don't want anything for free.  I do want fair healthcare that I can purchase.  My insurance company dropped me and I'm constantly denied real actual health coverage.  My last heart attack I paid for out of pocket.  I'm eat right, I don't drink or do drugs and I exercise every day.  I don't want one thing for free.  Ten years ago everyone I talked to had horror stories about their health coverage.  Suddenly, people have bought into the brilliant PR campaign that was funded by the insurance industry.  Again, all I want is to purchase insurance.  I don't even mind it being more expensive than others.

On the subject of welfare, all I hear is talk about cutting it especially for the "freeloaders."  Well, how does anyone propose to do that?  Cut the deserving ones off just in case someone might be cheating?  Well what about the millions of kids that eat on those programs?  I hear some say they should be taken away from their parents.  So where would you put millions of children?  How do you just stop helping people pay for food and shelter?  I'm pretty sure no one is saying that letting 10 million starve is a good idea.  So then there is unemployment,  well there are fewer jobs than applicants.  Do we tell the left overs to learn to eat dirt?  All I hear are these one line "solutions" with no real plan or hope for a successful implementation.

I also hear that tax breaks create jobs.  Okay, well when there are breaks and then we ask about creating jobs all I hear is how it's not their purpose to create jobs -- that they aren't obligated.  Well I don't think you can have it both ways.

These are just some of the reasons I'm against the Tea Party.  I just don't hear anything other that hype and empty ideas that are presented as solutions.  An idea isn't a solution.



Musical...one of the purposes of the government is to assist the private market.  The government was created to serve us....you and me and every other individual....not vice versa.  O'scumbag should have tried to benefit the private sector with things like portability and tax credits.  Instead, he worked hard for a single payer system and a 500 billion dollar tax increase and increased expenses that are estimated at over 2 trillion dollars.  Some people....................wrongfully..................think health insurance is a right.  It is not.  It is a product like any other product.  Should it be made more accessible?  Absolutely, through a larger free enterprise system and tax breaks for issuing multilevel policies.  Why is it that an insured in NJ has to buy from a company in NJ?  Why can't I buy a policy from Alaska?  Or, if I really want to roll the dice, China?  The sustenance of the private sector is the FIRST priority especially before preemption.

Ok....welfare.  We have had a number of threads on this so I don't want to put too much into this.  We don't want to subsidize the failure of other people.  I think that is fair to say...so failure has to be ardently discouraged.  You have a couple of kids from a couple of different fathers?  That isn't the taxpayer's problem.  You developed an addiction?  Ok...we put you in a re-hab....7 or 8 fucking times????? No...once.  You are disabled....you get a check, I don't think anyone argues against a country taking care of its legitimately disabled. 

Ok...so people have to work.  But people need jobs.  When I was a kid, there were four foundries in Kearney, NJ....there is not ONE today.  That is a 100% mortality rate.  You want manufacturing?  You have to court it back to the country.  That is going to be pretty tough for a bankrupt country that DROVE manufacturing out with a big fucking stick. 

Google "decline of private sector" and you will see that private sector jobs have been on the decline since 1950.  And that has to be addressed and, you know what?  It ONLY get addressed by changing the business climate and THAT is almost 100% premised on changing the tax structure. 

In addition thereto...the southern border has to be sealed and a guest worker program implemented and the issue of illegal immigration should be part of the function of local law enforcement.

Look...like I said, from August 12 on, you are working for you.  From January 1 to August 11, all of the money you made went to the governments of the states.  There was a time years ago when the figure was at some time in May.  Like from May 5 on, your money was yours.

If you listen to the loser/failure/liberal trash of this board, you are going to be working for the government until November 15 in a few short years.  Is that the country you want?  Is that the country you want for your kids?

What is it that you don't like about the Tea Party?  You don't like people saying that we have to live within our means?  You don't like people saying that we shouldn't raise taxes or that pensions should be reformed or government workers shouldn't have to pay more for their health care benefits (they now have to pay a whopping 3% in NJ), you don't like people saying the borders should be sealed and immigration should be able to be regulated?  Do you like class warfare?  Do you support the idea that if someone is successful, they achieved that wealth are your personal expense?

Do you believe the stupidity of someone like Tweak who says that conservatives want to be successful so other people live in poverty?  Do you not see the inherent stupidity in a statement like that?  If you and I live in the same neighborhood, don't we have a vested interest in seeing that each other succeeds for the benefit of our community??

Has anything I have said here made sense?

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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 7:04:59 PM   
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I think the Tea Party is a response to the feelings behind the chart.

Tea Partiers tend to be more conservative than Republican, which vexes the Republican party to no end. They want to convince people that we should put Republican before Conservative, otherwise, we give the election to people like Barack Obama.

I call BS on stuff like that. Our choice last time, thanks to that failed philosophy, was Obama or McCain. Really? John McCain? No thanks. And turns out, we're better off that Obama got elected. Now everyone can see the clear difference between liberal and conservative ideology.


Consider the "Tea Party" to be an exploitation of those feelings. Remember, the Tea Party is bought-and-paid for by the Big Business Corporate Interests who pay for the buses, stage, PA system, porta-potties, permits, etc... It ain't no 'grassroots' organization spending all that money...

Then, all the tea party candidates, did they vote "No" on the appropriations bills, or just the debt-limit? Seems kinds sketchy that they'd decide to SPEND THE MONEY, and then play games over signing the checks for things which, of course, if they were really Conservative, they wouldn't ever have appropriated the money in the first place....



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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 7:08:36 PM   
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You have kids, my friend?  You want to send them to private school?  Let's say you did, you gonna do that with the money you earn from August 12 through December 31?  I don't think so, Musical.  Money is liberty.  Tazzy doesn't get that, SlaveMike doesn't, Lucy doesn't nor Julia, Tweak, or a whole shit load of others.  Do you understand it though?

As early as the 1980's when I was a young whelp in law school I said that we would lose our liberties in this country in a defacto manner by the decline in the value of the U.S. dollar and the confiscation of wealth by the government.  The cocksuckers on this board can say what they want about me, but I was accurate beyond my wildest notions and just you wait until 2012-13 rolls around. 

Night.

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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 7:58:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Theon38




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There are many problems with the "Tea Party" Not the least of which is their complete lack of understanding of how our economy works. They don't understand how capitalism works.




That's interesting.

How does the Tea Party think that capitalism works and how does it actually work?

How does the Tea Party think that our economy works and how does it actually work?



First of all, I am well-aware that the Tea Party is not an individual person.

Secondly, I base my opinions on the comments I hear from Tea Party rallies (granted they are of people that the MSM has decided to show me), AND of politicians who claim to be members of the "Tea Party" (yes I know it's not a "party", but they claim to be members). There is however, a Tea Party caucus in the House, of which Michele Bachmann is the leader.

RE: Capitalism...
Our economic system is driven by the success of the middle class. If the middle class is prosperous, we ALL (small business, big business) are prosperous. There is a plethora of VC money for entrepreneurs. (AND the government is solvent (Tax Revenues are up, Social Security Revenues are up)).

Tea Partiers (again, the ones I have heard comment) are no different than the rest of the Republican party in erroneously professing that the top income earners are the drivers of the economy ("job creators"). They are NOT. They are not evil. They don't deserve to be punished. They are just smart capitalists.

Further, Tea Partiers (again, the one I have heard comment) are no different than the rest of the Republican party in erroneously professing that small business owners are the top income earners. 97% of them are not. Running a small business requires lots of capital, and reinvestment. Small business owners don't take large sums of money out of their businesses and put it in their pockets. They work on GROWING their businesses. Unless the middle class has money to spend to buy their products or services, they won't spend a dime hiring anyone (why should they?)

Michele Bachmann herself has made a plethora of erroneous statements about the economy and the debt ceiling, which demonstrate:

1) Her lack of knowledge on the issues
2) Her hatred for Obama

One example:

She said that President Obama got a "blank check" for 2.4 trillion when the debt ceiling was raised.

Putting aside the complete oxymoronic nature of the entire assertion (Blank checks are wellllll blank and don't have a value written in), the statement is completely ridiculous on its face.

Obama personally didn't get ANYTHING when the debt ceiling was raised. We as Americans were saved from a much bigger financial calamity when the debt ceiling was raised. She fundamentally does not understand that the debt ceiling has NOTHING to do with Obama's or Congress' policies moving forward. It is a limit on the US Treasury's ability to borrow money (by selling bonds) to fund policies already APPROVED by Congress.

As for Obama, I am the first (ok, maybe the second or third) to say that he has failed in a few places:
1) The healthcare bill (wrong bill, wrong time)
2) The debt ceiling (He should have stopped that nonsense right away, and said to the Republicans "Vote to pass a one-line bill to raise the debt ceiling, or I will instruct the US treasury to act in any way they deem necessary to protect the full faith and credit of the United States"
3) Showing ANY kind of leadership at all with regards to the economy

However, I am not driven by a hatred for him.

In summary, if you want to say that Michele Bachmann is a poor representative of the Tea Party, fine. Point me to a Tea Partier who knows his/her ass from a hole in the ground. Better yet, point me to ANYONE running for President (on either party) who would make a better President. (You are most certainly entitled to your opinion, but I see NO ONE in the Republican field who understands ANY of the above (Tea Partier or not))

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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 8:35:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The tea-party is make pretend....like kids with a tea set drinking water.

It`s the extreme end of the republican party.The sore losers who still haven`t accepted there loss to President Obama.

They feel the need to hide that they are just plain old pissed off republicans,so they call themselves a different name.Which serves to distance themselves with 8 years of almost complete failure and utter destruction of our economy and their enabling of shrub the whole time.

The cons who now claim they didn`t support that world class fuck-up are loser liars and cowards.......... and now, tea-baggers.

There are no tea-party "ideals".Perhaps some individuals with ideals.But mostly, loser cons highjacking them and slight of hand tricks to hide their true identity.

This is not Ron Paul`s anti-gop-establishment movement,the originals,the folks the GOP shunned,making them have their own convention..Those people are and were always consistently conservative,ie old-school conservative.

Not to be mistaken with the "neo-conservative" which is ,go with whatever sounds good that day.Paul`s tea-partiers are truly grass-roots and aren`t getting Koch-money.

That isn`t the Koch brother`s tea-party or the piss-off republicans hiding amongst Ron Paul`s tea-party.







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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 9:05:54 PM   
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Its a safe bet that I wont be voting for someone who believes that god will decide the outcome of bills.



Its a safe bet you wont be voting for anyone other than Obama. Youre not fooling anyone.

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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 9:10:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Theon38

I think the Tea Party is a response to the feelings behind the chart.




There are many problems with the "Tea Party" Not the least of which is their complete lack of understanding of how our economy works. They don't understand how capitalism works.


They understand it a helluva lot better than you, unless you let your partisan bullshit ("conservative"? youre not fooling anyone) disguise your knowledge.

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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 9:42:29 PM   
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Its a safe bet that I wont be voting for someone who believes that god will decide the outcome of bills.



Its a safe bet you wont be voting for anyone other than Obama. Youre not fooling anyone.


And why would you assume that?  I voted for Bush Sr, I also voted for Reagan.

Assuming what someone will do based upon limited knowledge... you know better, willbe.


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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 10:12:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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Its a safe bet that I wont be voting for someone who believes that god will decide the outcome of bills.



Its a safe bet you wont be voting for anyone other than Obama. Youre not fooling anyone.


And why would you assume that?  I voted for Bush Sr, I also voted for Reagan.

Assuming what someone will do based upon limited knowledge... you know better, willbe.



Ive read plenty of your philosophy to know....it is no longer an assumption. My comment doesnt preclude you not voting, but if you vote it will be for Obama. That is a lock.

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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 10:18:51 PM   
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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 10:21:02 PM   
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It is if all the republicans have to offer is the mixed bag of nuts they are presenting right now.


QED. As the other thread demonstrates, you hear what you want to hear, so that you can fool yourself into thinking that you might vote for anybody other than Blowboy. You know what a fucking disaster he is and need to rationalize your vote in what ever way you can.

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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 10:26:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		You keep insisting I will vote.  Depending on the choices, I may not.

Why dont you address the OP instead of hounding my every post, willbe.  I didnt realize you missed me that much.


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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 10:29:54 PM   
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You keep insisting I will vote.  Depending on the choices, I may not.

Why dont you address the OP instead of hounding my every post, willbe.  I didnt realize you missed me that much.



I guess you have reading comprehension problems. I specifically said you may not vote.

The OP? ROFL. A bunch of bullshit from a lib who pretends to be conservative so he can set up strawmen and knock them down? It was already addressed.

Miss you? Depends which you, because you are schizophrenic. There are times when you actually strive to be intellectually honest. Tonight isnt one of them.

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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 10:35:59 PM   
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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/14/2011 10:37:23 PM   
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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/15/2011 3:44:49 AM   
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It is if all the republicans have to offer is the mixed bag of nuts they are presenting right now.


QED. As the other thread demonstrates, you hear what you want to hear, so that you can fool yourself into thinking that you might vote for anybody other than Blowboy. You know what a fucking disaster he is and need to rationalize your vote in what ever way you can.


When the time comes then, you'll cast your ballot for Bachmann?

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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/15/2011 5:45:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


There are many problems with the "Tea Party" Not the least of which is their complete lack of understanding of how our economy works. They don't understand how capitalism works.


They understand it a helluva lot better than you, unless you let your partisan bullshit ("conservative"? youre not fooling anyone) disguise your knowledge.



Partisan bullshit? You are entitled to your opinion. I am making an observation

I have no desire to "fool" anyone. I define myself as conservative.

Please explain how:


1) The Tea Party understands our economy (particularly our capitalist system) better than I do
2) I am not conservative (based on your definition)



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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/15/2011 5:58:57 AM   
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RE: Translation from Republicanese - 8/15/2011 6:19:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


There are many problems with the "Tea Party" Not the least of which is their complete lack of understanding of how our economy works. They don't understand how capitalism works.


They understand it a helluva lot better than you, unless you let your partisan bullshit ("conservative"? youre not fooling anyone) disguise your knowledge.



Partisan bullshit? You are entitled to your opinion. I am making an observation

I have no desire to "fool" anyone. I define myself as conservative.

Please explain how:


1) The Tea Party understands our economy (particularly our capitalist system) better than I do
2) I am not conservative (based on your definition)




You're getting into special P&R definitions there, I'm afraid. I've been posting on this board for years and I still don't get how Sanitary believes the Kenyan is a leftist or Wilbur isn't having Bush prime has a conservative. I think it's some sort of strange classification system they only use in armed camps that are under observation by the BATF and the FBI. Wilbur, Sanitary and a few others on here seem to be lunatic fringe militia groupies, and so can't see things the same way as even the most hardcore of the vanilla neocons...

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