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This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 6:39:34 PM   
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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:07:51 PM   
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Got to admit, that's a little more off than just the tip!  I would agree with the Plaintiff-- for a decision of that magnitude (any amputation for that matter) I would hope that the surgeon would consult with the patient, or at the least, the patient's medical power of attorney.



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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:08:26 PM   
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Do guys really get cancer of the penis? Ive never heard of that before.
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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:14:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		You likely won't again. This country is so breast cancer crazy, it's as though we are collectively no longer aware there are other types of cancer, some of which affects only men.

It seems like almost every time I go to the grocery store, the debit card terminal is asking me to donate to breast cancer research, complete with pink ribbons and balloons everywhere. I've literally counted the trips where I've been asked to donate to a man-specific cancer such as prostate cancer. It only lasts a week or two, tops.

I don't see any walks for testicular cancer, prostate cancer, or any other male-specific forms of cancer, yet breast cancer walks -- the susan g. komen race or whatever -- has ads that dominate commercial breaks for months.

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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:15:45 PM   
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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:18:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reminds me of a case where this dude's wife "accidentally" chopped his penis off. He couldn't find it, so he went to the hospital and replaced it with the middle finger off his left hand. They removed the bones and matched the capillaries and such. He had kids with it even.


Puts a new meaning to "fingering," dunnit?

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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:41:11 PM   
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You likely won't again. This country is so breast cancer crazy, it's as though we are collectively no longer aware there are other types of cancer, some of which affects only men.

It seems like almost every time I go to the grocery store, the debit card terminal is asking me to donate to breast cancer research, complete with pink ribbons and balloons everywhere. I've literally counted the trips where I've been asked to donate to a man-specific cancer such as prostate cancer. It only lasts a week or two, tops.

I don't see any walks for testicular cancer, prostate cancer, or any other male-specific forms of cancer, yet breast cancer walks -- the susan g. komen race or whatever -- has ads that dominate commercial breaks for months.


I think because for so many years nobody was talking about breast cancer, and it was one of the more higher numbered cancers out there.  Women would go in for a lumpectomy/biopsy and would wake up without a breast.  A pretty damn traumatic ordeal. No one was talking about it - mastectomy was standard procedure, with very little assistance to help the women through it, emotionally.  So the more women were getting breast cancer, the more they were speaking up about it....as well as their families.

There are prostate cancer walks, though.  I participate in an annual Multiple Myeloma walk, which is a cancer that affects men and women. 

I'm guessing, though, that penises aren't being removed in the same numbers per year as breasts are, and not as many men are dying of penile cancer as women have died of breast cancer.  Perhaps it's a case of "numbers speak"?  And a case of women being more vocal about their health issues than men are?


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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:42:18 PM   
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You likely won't again. This country is so breast cancer crazy, it's as though we are collectively no longer aware there are other types of cancer, some of which affects only men.

It seems like almost every time I go to the grocery store, the debit card terminal is asking me to donate to breast cancer research, complete with pink ribbons and balloons everywhere. I've literally counted the trips where I've been asked to donate to a man-specific cancer such as prostate cancer. It only lasts a week or two, tops.

I don't see any walks for testicular cancer, prostate cancer, or any other male-specific forms of cancer, yet breast cancer walks -- the susan g. komen race or whatever -- has ads that dominate commercial breaks for months.


my view may be skewed because I work in the healthcare industry, but I see just as many public service announcements, posters and awareness campaigns for men to get their prostrate checked.    I have participated in fundraisers for prostrate cancer...and Lance Armstrong is a national spokesperson for testicular cancer.  Seek and ye shall find.

Prostrate cancer and breast cancer (men get breast cancer, too, you know...) are different in many ways.  Breast cancer is far more aggressive--I have a close family member with breast cancer...as well as a family member with prostrate cancer.  The only thing they have in common--both cancers.  The treatments are night and day different.

I encourage you to read this:
http://ww5.komen.org/AboutUs/SusanGKomensStory.html

What the Komen Foundation has accomplished is incredible--I would love to see all forms of cancer eradicated in my lifetime, but complaining about too much emphasis/awareness for breast cancer is like complaining about all the emphasis on racism every MLK Day.

Edited to add:   www.pcf.org/     The National Prostrate Cancer Foundation



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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:47:00 PM   
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what's the fucking deal with all these useless whiney ass do-nothing doms these days? i thought they were all supposed to be take-charge doers. pathetic is what it is.




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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:49:19 PM   
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I'm guessing, though, that penises aren't being removed in the same numbers per year as breasts are, and not as many men are dying of penile cancer as women have died of breast cancer.  Perhaps it's a case of "numbers speak"?  And a case of women being more vocal about their health issues than men are?





In the US, the numbers are about the same--about 30,000 to 40,000 men die of prostrate cancer each year, and about the same for women and breast cancer.  What's different....men often get detected at a late stage--in my family member's case, age was a factor. The doctors are taking a very "passive" approach--something called "radioactive seeding"--and basically, the cancer progresses slow enough that there was no need for drastic surgery, chemo etc.

Breast cancer--it's such an aggressive cancer.  I can't even count the number of friends and family I now know who have battled, are battling, or lost their battle...with breast cancer.  Chemo...radiation....mastectomy...more chemo....the treatment is almost as bad as the cancer, and the worst part--for so many of them, it comes back and they have to go through it all over again.

edited to add:  most of the men we see that are detected "late" is because they don't get tested.  A lot of our clientele are low income or have healthcare access issues, and do not see a physician regularly.


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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:52:34 PM   
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http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/types/commoncancers

e2a: fixed the numbers.


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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:53:41 PM   
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Puts a new meaning to "fingering," dunnit? "

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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 7:54:31 PM   
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I think because for so many years nobody was talking about breast cancer, and it was one of the more higher numbered cancers out there.  Women would go in for a lumpectomy/biopsy and would wake up without a breast.  A pretty damn traumatic ordeal.....

I'm guessing, though, that penises aren't being removed in the same numbers per year as breasts are, and not as many men are dying of penile cancer as women have died of breast cancer.  Perhaps it's a case of "numbers speak"?  And a case of women being more vocal about their health issues than men are?


You want to talk trauma? No, not many penises are getting cut off, though clearly it does happen. The thing is, a woman without a breast is still a woman. Implants are a day surgery at worst.

A man with prostate problems from cancer can (in many cases) no longer have sex without help. A man with no testicles cannot produce children.

A woman without a breast is still a woman. Often times a man who's had testicular or prostate cancer has trouble even seeing himself as a man....and society doesn't help much.

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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 8:01:14 PM   
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In the US, the numbers are about the same--about 30,000 to 40,000 men die of prostrate cancer each year, and about the same for women and breast cancer.  What's different....men often get detected at a late stage--in my family member's case, age was a factor. The doctors are taking a very "passive" approach--something called "radioactive seeding"--and basically, the cancer progresses slow enough that there was no need for drastic surgery, chemo etc.

Thanks, hausboy, I was trying to find statistics on the number of mastectomies per year and came up short.

I do see a lot of campaigning on having the prostate checked, though, in an effort to catch prostate cancer early.

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Breast cancer--it's such an aggressive cancer.  I can't even count the number of friends and family I now know who have battled, are battling, or lost their battle...with breast cancer.  Chemo...radiation....mastectomy...more chemo....the treatment is almost as bad as the cancer, and the worst part--for so many of them, it comes back and they have to go through it all over again.



I've seen first hand the suffering of people for both types of cancer. Often times a mastectomy can be avoided now (thanks to all the research), but what you described is accurate. A friend of mine nearly died, twice of breast cancer. Another friend did die of it.  I've seen men have their prostates removed without issue, and no more cancer. I've also seen someone die of prostate cancer.

I don't think cancers should be in competition (not saying you're doing that here).  Maybe women are just louder than men, lol.  Women started the whole breast cancer awareness campaign.  Nothing is preventing men from starting their own awareness campaign. 


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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 8:01:37 PM   
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I think because for so many years nobody was talking about breast cancer, and it was one of the more higher numbered cancers out there.  Women would go in for a lumpectomy/biopsy and would wake up without a breast.  A pretty damn traumatic ordeal.....

I'm guessing, though, that penises aren't being removed in the same numbers per year as breasts are, and not as many men are dying of penile cancer as women have died of breast cancer.  Perhaps it's a case of "numbers speak"?  And a case of women being more vocal about their health issues than men are?


You want to talk trauma? No, not many penises are getting cut off, though clearly it does happen. The thing is, a woman without a breast is still a woman. Implants are a day surgery at worst.

A man with prostate problems from cancer can (in many cases) no longer have sex without help. A man with no testicles cannot produce children.

A woman without a breast is still a woman. Often times a man who's had testicular or prostate cancer has trouble even seeing himself as a man....and society doesn't help much.


Sorry DarqueMirror...but I disagree--I know a LOT of women who had serious self-esteem issues following their mastectomies, the exact feeling of "I'm no longer a woman"  and "I'm no longer sexually desirable"   You are WAY out of touch on that one.

By the way--here's some stats to back up what Hannah said:
The American Cancer Society's most recent estimates for prostate cancer in the United States are for 2011:
  • About 240,890 new cases of prostate cancer
  • About 33,720 deaths from prostate cancer
Prostate cancer is the most common type of cancer found in American men, other than skin cancer. Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in men, behind only lung cancer. One man in 6 will get prostate cancer during his lifetime. And one man in 36 will die of this disease. More than 2 million men in the United States who have had prostate cancer at some point are still alive today.
Breast cancer is the most common cancer among American women, except for skin cancers. The chance of developing invasive breast cancer at some time in a woman's life is a little less than 1 in 8 (12%).  The American Cancer Society's most recent estimates for breast cancer in the United States are for 2011:
  • About 230,480 new cases of invasive breast cancer will be diagnosed in women.
  • About 57,650 new cases of carcinoma in situ (CIS) will be diagnosed (CIS is non-invasive and is the earliest form of breast cancer).
  • About 39,520 women will die from breast cancer
After increasing for more than 2 decades, female breast cancer incidence rates decreased by about 2% per year from 1998 to 2007. This decrease was seen only in women aged 50 or older, and may be due at least in part to the decline in use of hormone therapy after menopause that occurred after the results of the Women's Health Initiative were published in 2002. This study linked the use of hormone therapy to an increased risk of breast cancer and heart diseases. Breast cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in women, exceeded only by lung cancer. The chance that breast cancer will be responsible for a woman's death is about 1 in 35 (about 3%). Death rates from breast cancer have been declining since about 1990, with larger decreases in women younger than 50. These decreases are believed to be the result of earlier detection through screening and increased awareness, as well as improved treatment. At this time there are over 2.5 million breast cancer survivors in the United States.
Those annoying pink ribbon campaigns you seem to have issue with?  Saved millions of lives through increased awareness and funding for research.

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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 8:03:40 PM   
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I think because for so many years nobody was talking about breast cancer, and it was one of the more higher numbered cancers out there.  Women would go in for a lumpectomy/biopsy and would wake up without a breast.  A pretty damn traumatic ordeal.....

I'm guessing, though, that penises aren't being removed in the same numbers per year as breasts are, and not as many men are dying of penile cancer as women have died of breast cancer.  Perhaps it's a case of "numbers speak"?  And a case of women being more vocal about their health issues than men are?


You want to talk trauma? No, not many penises are getting cut off, though clearly it does happen. The thing is, a woman without a breast is still a woman. Implants are a day surgery at worst.

A man with prostate problems from cancer can (in many cases) no longer have sex without help. A man with no testicles cannot produce children.

A woman without a breast is still a woman. Often times a man who's had testicular or prostate cancer has trouble even seeing himself as a man....and society doesn't help much.


First, I'm not sure why you seem to be in this cancer-competition thing going on here.

Second, what are you doing about it?


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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 8:05:56 PM   
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my view may be skewed because I work in the healthcare industry, but I see just as many public service announcements, posters and awareness campaigns for men to get their prostrate checked. 


I've seen the "CBS Cares" things on TV, but only in the last year or so.

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I have participated in fundraisers for prostrate cancer...and Lance Armstrong is a national spokesperson for testicular cancer.  Seek and ye shall find.


That's pretty much my point. Everywhere I look, I've got pink breast cancer crap shoved down my throat. But *I* have to go seek out the stuff for other types of cancer.

I'm just looking for a little....what's that word the women love to throw around.....oh yeah -- "equality."

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Prostrate cancer and breast cancer (men get breast cancer, too, you know...)


Yep, I know. Yet on all the commercials, all the events, everything that's shoved down my throat via mass media shows nothing women. How......unequal.

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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 8:06:51 PM   
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"Reminds me of a case where this dude's wife "accidentally" chopped his penis off. He couldn't find it, so he went to the hospital and replaced it with the middle finger off his left hand. They removed the bones and matched the capillaries and such. He had kids with it even.


Puts a new meaning to "fingering," dunnit? "

You know some seriously wierd shit.

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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 8:10:47 PM   
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Sorry DarqueMirror...but I disagree--I know a LOT of women who had serious self-esteem issues following their mastectomies, the exact feeling of "I'm no longer a woman"  and "I'm no longer sexually desirable"   You are WAY out of touch on that one.


Awesome stats/research hausboy, thank you.

Breast removal goes beyond self esteem, issues, however.  The removal of a body part creates the kind of grief people go through when a loved one dies.  Add to that, the emotional trauma involved with a woman's sense of attraction/sexuality being removed is enormous.  It used to be mastectomies were the unquestioned solution to breast cancer. Fortunately it no longer is.

A woman I work with had to have a double mastectomy 4 years ago.  The emotional affect on her was so overwhelming she is only now able to begin confronting them, and can only do so in small bits at a time, because it's just too much. I know when I had my lumpectomy I couldn't fucking believe what I was looking at when I removed the bandages.  It took nearly two years for my breast to appear normal again, and I had to deal with that, as well.

I don't think breast removal should be so casually considered.  As has been said here, instead of whining about the attention it's getting, start your own damn movement about what's important to you. (not you, hausboy, in general).


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RE: This is fucked up - 8/17/2011 8:13:07 PM   
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I'm just looking for a little....what's that word the women love to throw around.....oh yeah -- "equality."


Do you realize women began the breast cancer awareness campaign because of the inequality with which it was being treated?  I'd say they organized a pretty damn good effort here.

So I ask again, what are YOU doing to even things out again?  Why are you just seeking stuff out for other types of cancer?  Why aren't you starting your own campaign?  That's how the pink ribbons came about, yanno.


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