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prostitution/integrity poll


prostitute = no integrity
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no corelation
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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 3:53:39 PM   
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I know some of you are Pro-Hannah and no matter what shit she spews out..She has a vagina so it makes the shit pure gold.

a person can be pro-Hannah and still be objective and not agree with every single thing/viewpoint of hers,. that goes for anyone else too, btw.. after all, i dont hold you tempting all of us with your red velvet cake against you..

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 3:55:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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A better example would be a drug dealer. Both the drug dealer and their customer consent to participate in the transaction. Both believe they are better off afterwards.


But that's not entirely true with Hannah, is it.



Well, if You want to get technical, that's not entirely true of the President either, or anyone else, probably. Do You weigh the good parts of Your job against the bad? Do You sometimes make bad decisions and then regret it afterwards? "Better off" is a relative term, but for the purpose of this argument, i was looking at the short term.

In the short term, both drug dealer and customer engage in their transaction willingly. believing that what they give up is fully compensated for by what they get in return. The MAIN reason that is frowned on is because it's illegal. And, depending on the individual circumstances, i can't say that THAT always represents a lack of integrity.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 3:55:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a stupid thread. I understand that it is based upon something that someone said, but to use absolutes is ridiculous.



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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 3:56:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, since I voted on this poll, I'll throw out my reasoning...

Does a prostitute necessarily have no integrity? No.

Is integrity commonly found in the profession? Unfortunately, no.

While I like the Heinlein quote (and was thinking about posting it)- let's look at prostitution from a business and human perspective.

Name other businesses where the provider has so little respect for their customers..

1) Carnies/con men- there are marks, and there are con men. Marks are to provide money- no other purpose.
2) Prosecutors/defendants. Prosecutors have a hard time believing anything someone accused of a crime says. So do cops.
3) Military/targets. In the military, you don't go around thinking that the other guy is just like you- you think of him as sub-human if you want to be able to shoot him.
4) Stripper/patron...if this were a truly honorable profession, you could use your real name and date your customers.

Most of us have professions where we enjoy our interactions with our customers- at least some of them. Its important to do so- often, we need to put ourselves in their shoes to understand their position and do our own job well. This requires that they have humanity in our eyes- we have to see them as people.

Professions where we have to dehumanize our "customers" (somehow, this term seems a little warped in terms of cops, military, etc) mean that we have to lie to them or about them in order to do our job. When you have to lie as part of your job, your integrity does suffer- it's not an easy thing for most of us to do.

I've read and enjoyed stories ranging from Callahan's Crosstime Saloon which involved a house in Brooklyn where clients were respected, to Firefly where "companions" were honored individuals, to Mickey Spillane's Polack hookers who actually enjoyed sex, to Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, but I think the reality is that most sex workers eventually despise their customers. There's the theory, and then there's the practice which is quite a bit grittier.

So in theory- can a prostitute still maintain his/her integrity? Yes, but I suspect it's really tough to do if you don't like your job. It's also no different from any other profession that requires you to dehumanize your customer- so I fully agree with the notion that professional integrity has lots of shades of gray. But then there are the folks who are very well paid at it- and this may be a case where enough money buys some self respect.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 3:57:43 PM   
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My view might be slightly skewed by my being pissed at you for dangling yummy desserts in the Fat People thread.


Yeah.  Get in the kitchen and make Me some pie.

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I was going to say "make it yourself"... then I remembered your arsenal. Trust me, you don't want me to bake for you though.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 3:59:59 PM   
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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:11:23 PM   
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RML so married women dont have STD's??
I heartily disagree
mind you when I was doing the statistics it was a lot to do with the hubby passing them on, but that was a few years ago(omg 25year, sheeit).



Come on Lucy, let's be realistic.

Who is more likely to have an STD?

I think it would be the woman who sleeps with several strangers every night.



You don't get out much? You know health checks prostitutes have and that are mandatory in several countries in which prostitution is legal, the fact that they use all sorts of precautions, like that great invention you might have heard of, condoms?

You're much more likely to get something contagious from banging a girl who's not too picky and will come home with you than from having sex with a prostitute. There are actually statistics but hey, suit yourself...



Yes, all prostitutes get checked for std's. Because they are so concerned about the welfare of their johns and care nothing about their drug addictions. How is the bird?

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:13:04 PM   
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Name other businesses where the provider has so little respect for their customers..
As was pointed out in Hanners' other thread, the sort of people that the average prostitute <let's be clear here, I mean a hooker, not a high class escort or call girl> deals with are pretty despicable to begin with. It's not hard to see how one would have to work hard not to dehumanize them, they pretty much do it themselves. One of the reasons I think some hookers, like Hanners, end up with such a low opinion of men, and people in general, is because they didn't successfully separate their clients from the rest of humanity in their minds.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:14:41 PM   
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Well, you've got two choices.  Do *you* really want to tell Me to make it Myself, or do you want to at least attempt to make a dessert that I'll enjoy before I enjoy you?


~zips into the kitchen to make LadyP some dessert~ That doesn't mean there won't be some fun later, right?


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:16:01 PM   
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Name other businesses where the provider has so little respect for their customers..
As was pointed out in Hanners' other thread, the sort of people that the average prostitute <let's be clear here, I mean a hooker, not a high class escort or call girl> deals with are pretty despicable to begin with. It's not hard to see how one would have to work hard not to dehumanize them, they pretty much do it themselves. One of the reasons I think some hookers, like Hanners, end up with such a low opinion of men, and people in general, is because they didn't successfully separate their clients from the rest of humanity in their minds.



More likely it stems from having zero self worth and love and it is incredibly difficult to see others in a light that you are unable to see in yourself.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:26:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you're projecting, if anything, the self worth issues are taught on the job, so to speak. Be that as it may, what you said has nothing to do with the point that Samboct made or that I made in reply. But, thanks for pitching in anyway, we do need to keep the post counts growing, don't we.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:27:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

RML so married women dont have STD's??
I heartily disagree
mind you when I was doing the statistics it was a lot to do with the hubby passing them on, but that was a few years ago(omg 25year, sheeit).



Come on Lucy, let's be realistic.

Who is more likely to have an STD?

I think it would be the woman who sleeps with several strangers every night.



You don't get out much? You know health checks prostitutes have and that are mandatory in several countries in which prostitution is legal, the fact that they use all sorts of precautions, like that great invention you might have heard of, condoms?

You're much more likely to get something contagious from banging a girl who's not too picky and will come home with you than from having sex with a prostitute. There are actually statistics but hey, suit yourself...



Yes, all prostitutes get checked for std's. Because they are so concerned about the welfare of their johns and care nothing about their drug addictions. How is the bird?


We are talking about countries where prostitution is legal, and they are not concerned about the welfare of the guys, they have a legal requirement to be checked for STDs and the cops just check if they have an up to date health check, otherwise they are nicked... A prostitute found with an STD and trying to work ends in jail with a nice law suit for grievous bodily harm. Prostitutes are concerned about their own welfare and their health, because a pussy dripping green or yellow puss and smelling a bit strange usually doesn't sell as well... Guess you never figured that out. Btw why do you think all prostitutes are drug addicts? Watch much TV?

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:36:01 PM   
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~zips into the kitchen to make LadyP some dessert~ That doesn't mean there won't be some fun later, right?


Right.  I happen to like after play treats.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:36:19 PM   
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I think you're projecting, if anything, the self worth issues are taught on the job, so to speak. Be that as it may, what you said has nothing to do with the point that Samboct made or that I made in reply. But, thanks for pitching in anyway, we do need to keep the post counts growing, don't we.


No I think he pretty much nailed it


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:38:19 PM   
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on a thread in p&r, someone pointed out that i used to be a prostitute as an argument as to why i was wrong. he then claimed it was to demonstrate that i had no integrity.


Okay, i just read those comments. The argument that was actually made was the fact that you were a prostitute means that you're not in a position to judge others so harshly, and NOT that you have no integrity. It was more of an everybody makes mistakes, and people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, sort of a thing.

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
i find this very interesting, the idea that prostitution is seen as a sign of a lack of integrity. what do you all think?


i think that you either misunderstood, or are deliberately misrepresenting Icary's argument. ETA: In my opinion, he was NOT criticising your integrity, but rather the readiness with which you condemn others for their mistakes.

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
hopefully, you'll post your reasoning as well. i'm not going to argue with anybody on this thread.


Feel free to email me, then.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:49:57 PM   
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I'm not sure I buy your contention that the folks that visit prostitutes represent a pretty low version of humanity. The only country I ever saw publish statistics on the number of visits that prostitutes receive was Germany, and I remember being floored at the volume of business. I remember working it out- something like 10% of the population has to visit a prostitute at least once a year- or higher for the kind of numbers that were being generated. That would suggest that there's a pretty broad cross section that goes to prostitutes in Germany. I don't see why the folks in the US would be all that different, although clearly there is an element of lawlessness here since the activity is at least de facto illegal. However, look at how many folks in this country smoke dope- again, a very broad segment of the population.

It's possible that Hannah's selection of clientele was skewed to folks that she found unpleasant, but given the number of people that I think go to prostitutes at some point in their lives, I don't think its a good assumption that all of them or even most of them are really all that unsavory. Given how rich this field has been for popular fiction whether in literature or movies, its probably very tough to separate out what we know versus what we think are facts, but are really influenced by biased or fictional sources.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:50:25 PM   
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My view might be slightly skewed by my being pissed at you for dangling yummy desserts in the Fat People thread.

Oh I see..It's not Hannah's pie that has you, it's my cake.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:52:29 PM   
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No I think he pretty much nailed it
I disagree

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 4:58:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was just something pointed out by almost everybody on another thread, and backed up by a lot of stories I've heard from actual prostitutes, not just Hanners. Whatever the reason, however decent they are in day to day life, an awful lot of them are pretty darn scummy when dealing with hookers.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 5:01:13 PM   
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i was looking at the short term.

Yes but I see long term and short term and Yes I do weigh a great deal in life. That's part of where so many fuck up..they don't think.. Sure I was like that when I was younger but as I got older, it happened way less and thank goodness. I learned. Despite my mistakes I did a whole lot more thinking than the kids around me but I also made some really stupid decisions as an adult too. I can forgive most things in others, if and only if, I see they have learned but I can also respect that they may not think they need to learn anything..that doesn't mean they are right.

Going into left field now.

Anyway..I like Hannah.. We may not be able to be in the same room for more than a few minutes before we punch each other but I can respect a lot of what she says..just not all. That said...I don't use boxing gloves when I disagree. That's a pretty good hard and fast rule for me.


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