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prostitute = no integrity
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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 5:53:22 PM   
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Dude, I'm actually with you on part of this.  That whole twenty minutes (I'm being generous here) that the john spends on the little expedition to buy himself some tail doesn't nearly reflect what the pros deals with hour after hour, day after day.  After he gets his rocks off, he goes back to his nice, little life and the pros is just waiting to collect her next twenty.


Oh, i dont know about that, it must be pretty hard on those johns, you know,.. going back to the little woman and having to be all two faced, pretend the smile on his face is just cuz he had a good day at work,.. knowing what he is really like and she doesnt suspect he is just a selfish cheater,.. that must be very hard on the guys.. really, it must...

$20? even in this recession i dont think it goes for that little..

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 5:53:40 PM   
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Their morals may be lacking, but you will find that the men that frequent prostitutes tend to come from all different backgrounds, ethnicity and economic classes.

Just like the reasons why a woman will prostitute herself out are varied, you won't find the same rationale as to why men choose to utilize prostitutes. It ranges from anonymity, to fulfilling sexual desires, the need for company to being a misogynist. With most likely several more reasons to choose from.

You will not find the same amount of damage in the johns as you do in the prostitutes.

Dude, I'm actually with you on part of this.  That whole twenty minutes (I'm being generous here) that the john spends on the little expedition to buy himself some tail doesn't nearly reflect what the pros deals with hour after hour, day after day.  After he gets his rocks off, he goes back to his nice, little life and the pros is just waiting to collect her next twenty.

I *can't* for the life of Me, imagine any kind of desperation that is so bad for *him* to do it.  Cry Me a fucking river about how bad he <cough> needs <cough> some pussy.  Better be in a wheelchair or have a wife on the deathbed. 



Hugh Grant wasn't in a wheelchair, nor Charlie Sheen or Elliot Spitzer. They did it for whatever reasons compelled them to do it. Lots of times it seems to be just a need for release and any hole in a port will do.

Morally bankrupt, maybe? If not for getting caught, aside from good ol' Charlie, they would have probably lived out their days without much thought to the whole ordeal or to the woman they paid to fuck.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 5:59:13 PM   
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I once knew a girl who worked as a stripper and "dated" some of the customers and their friends, at an upscale club in Denver.  Her whole outlook was "I can spend 20 minutes on my back and get whatever I want".  She was in her early 30's and had a house paid for, a couple of really nice cars, and 4 rather pricy horses.

The men got exactly what they wanted, when they wanted it, and were not otherwise responsible for dealing with anything else.

All business on both sides.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:03:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		With domiguy's comment that the prostitutes are more damaged than the johns- well, I decided to do a little digging and I turned up this paper from a prof. at URI because I questioned it at first.
www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/race_prost.doc

Its disheartening reading. It's clear that there's a strong racial component to prostitution, that girls enter the profession prior to adulthood, and that they are coerced into it. Note- these are the women being arrested. The article points out that johns are less frequently arrested, but that pimps are rarely arrested. My suspicious nature leaps to the thought that pimps are where the money is- and cops have to be paid off which pimps can't do from prison. Not surprisingly, prison sentences are much harsher for women of color than white women. It looks like its much harder to get information on the Heidi Fleiss type of madam, so the paper clearly underreports the number of women engaged in prostitution. There's clearly a dearth of good data which limits the debate to opinion rather than fact.

However, the claim that women manage to leave the profession and are successful, does not seem to have much evidence, although a lobbyist for the Nevada brothel owners association claimed that some women have made successful career transitions. However, with Nevada's high unemployment, listing prostitute on a resume does not seem to be a sure fire recipe to get hired for a different job.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:06:22 PM   
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Hugh Grant wasn't in a wheelchair, nor Charlie Sheen or Elliot Spitzer. They did it for whatever reasons compelled them to do it. Lots of times it seems to be just a need for release and any hole in a port will do.

Morally bankrupt, maybe? If not for getting caught, aside from good ol' Charlie, they would have probably lived out their days without much thought to the whole ordeal or to the woman they paid to fuck.


I don't know.  Adrenaline rush maybe?  Hell, if I was Charlie fucking Sheen, do you think I'd pay for a piece of tail????  Ever????  You know the boy has got to have pussy thrown at him every freaking day.

I might be biased.  See, as a chick, I just don't know what it's like not to have the ability to get laid.  I'm cheap and I certainly am not going to pay for what I can get for free.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:08:02 PM   
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Why does either side need to be desperate?

I once knew a girl who worked as a stripper and "dated" some of the customers and their friends, at an upscale club in Denver.  Her whole outlook was "I can spend 20 minutes on my back and get whatever I want".  She was in her early 30's and had a house paid for, a couple of really nice cars, and 4 rather pricy horses.

The men got exactly what they wanted, when they wanted it, and were not otherwise responsible for dealing with anything else.

All business on both sides.


yup, I know several guys in SoCal that are single, own their own house and live alone, have their own business, and they dont want a wife or live-in girlfriend. They would much rather have a girl that they can call when they need to and not spend time wining and dining and dropping the same amount anyway.

The smart girls do something with the $$$ they make and if they do that wisely, they do seem to be set for life..

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:08:27 PM   
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And you got your degree in psychiatry where again?



denial can be a nice place to hang out for awhile but it doesn't often lead to happy endings


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:10:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are two main reasons guy pay for sex:

1. If you are a single guy that is a 6 or lower (out of 10), you pay to get sex.
2. Everyone else/ (particularly if you are a celebrity / married man) then you pay for the women to leave after the sex, instead of annoying you.

<p>I am sure that both Charlie and Hugh were paying the women to LEAVE after the sex. They can easily get free sex from groupies but the groupies will stick like glue

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:13:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Why does either side need to be desperate?

I once knew a girl who worked as a stripper and "dated" some of the customers and their friends, at an upscale club in Denver.  Her whole outlook was "I can spend 20 minutes on my back and get whatever I want".  She was in her early 30's and had a house paid for, a couple of really nice cars, and 4 rather pricy horses.

The men got exactly what they wanted, when they wanted it, and were not otherwise responsible for dealing with anything else.

All business on both sides.


yup, I know several guys in SoCal that are single, own their own house and live alone, have their own business, and they dont want a wife or live-in girlfriend. They would much rather have a girl that they can call when they need to and not spend time wining and dining and dropping the same amount anyway.

The smart girls do something with the $$$ they make and if they do that wisely, they do seem to be set for life..


All ten of them.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:14:28 PM   
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i find this very interesting, the idea that prostitution is seen as a sign of a lack of integrity. what do you all think?


Do you mean 'lack of integrity' in some putatively logical/objective sense, or 'lack of integrity' in a subjective, psychological sense? The first doesn't matter much, because anyone with a few brains can cobble together a moral justification for what he or she does in this context. The second does matter, and a lot, though: because you *know* when you're doing something that damages yourself. It doesn't matter so greatly what others think of you, but it does matter, enormously, what you think of yourself.

If you're a prostitute who feels like she's trashing something about herself that's valuable every time she turns a trick, or you're a man who hates himself whenever he visits a prostitute - then, yes, absolutely, you lack integrity, for doing so. If you don't feel that being, or seeing, a prostitute matters - then . . . it doesn't matter.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:14:33 PM   
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Why does either side need to be desperate?

I once knew a girl who worked as a stripper and "dated" some of the customers and their friends, at an upscale club in Denver.  Her whole outlook was "I can spend 20 minutes on my back and get whatever I want".  She was in her early 30's and had a house paid for, a couple of really nice cars, and 4 rather pricy horses.

The men got exactly what they wanted, when they wanted it, and were not otherwise responsible for dealing with anything else.

All business on both sides.


yup, I know several guys in SoCal that are single, own their own house and live alone, have their own business, and they dont want a wife or live-in girlfriend. They would much rather have a girl that they can call when they need to and not spend time wining and dining and dropping the same amount anyway.

The smart girls do something with the $$$ they make and if they do that wisely, they do seem to be set for life..


In a previous job a really good looking guy told me one day when we had a few after dinner drinks, that he regularly books escorts. I was startled because he was a real chick magnet and could get as much free tail as he wanted, he said he doesn't want to deal with the hassle and he currently doesn't want a relationship, he still gets horny and he would feel really bad pretending to want more or even if he tells the girls he doesn't, some still hope and it makes him feel bad as if he's using them, he said he rather pays, gets it over with, and he said doesn't cost much more than dinner, drinks, maybe a club with a girl but no worries if she's going to leave him alone afterwards, he gets to pick very pretty girls, if he wants a blonde it's a blonde, if it's a brunette it's that... I had more respect for him than for guys who lied to women to get into their pants.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:16:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		What about all the guys that want sex and dont want to pay for it and propose girls without knowing them (at ALL)? Haopens to me all the time on this site.
Now those fuckheads have zero integrity.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:24:29 PM   
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In a previous job a really good looking guy told me one day when we had a few after dinner drinks, that he regularly books escorts. I was startled because he was a real chick magnet and could get as much free tail as he wanted, he said he doesn't want to deal with the hassle and he currently doesn't want a relationship, he still gets horny and he would feel really bad pretending to want more or even if he tells the girls he doesn't, some still hope and it makes him feel bad as if he's using them, he said he rather pays, gets it over with, and he said doesn't cost much more than dinner, drinks, maybe a club with a girl but no worries if she's going to leave him alone afterwards, he gets to pick very pretty girls, if he wants a blonde it's a blonde, if it's a brunette it's that... I had more respect for him than for guys who lied to women to get into their pants.

yes, and not only that, he gets whatever kinda sex he wants too, if he wants deep throat and swallowing, if he wants anal, whatever, whereas with most women he would date (especially those vanilla types) its just missionary and no bj and no anal.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:25:04 PM   
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denial can be a nice place to hang out for awhile but it doesn't often lead to happy endings
Oh, I'm not in denial, I'm just wondering if you have any relevant training, because your interpretation differs from that of the woman we see. She actually has a degree. Thank you, bubbye

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:26:47 PM   
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That's because your not objective in this.

There is a lot in the way she post which yells out a need to be liked.  That coupled with the way she treated and felt about the Men when she was a hooker really do point to some self worth issues.

Then when there is what is perceived as trouble you ride in to save her.  Think about that one.


I normally love what you two post as a couple (speaking to flcouple2009).

I take issue with the above and can only say, I strongly suspect neither of you have been a prostitute on the street, b/c if you ever had, you would be more familiar with how a "hooker" can be treated. Which is like complete and total shit, in every which way that can be demonstrated.

Yeah, Hannah expresses some negative feelings towards her past johns. This is self preservation of a healthy ego, nothing more.

Now, would you care to ask me how I know that?


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:32:56 PM   
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In a previous job a really good looking guy told me one day when we had a few after dinner drinks, that he regularly books escorts. I was startled because he was a real chick magnet and could get as much free tail as he wanted, he said he doesn't want to deal with the hassle and he currently doesn't want a relationship, he still gets horny and he would feel really bad pretending to want more or even if he tells the girls he doesn't, some still hope and it makes him feel bad as if he's using them, he said he rather pays, gets it over with, and he said doesn't cost much more than dinner, drinks, maybe a club with a girl but no worries if she's going to leave him alone afterwards, he gets to pick very pretty girls, if he wants a blonde it's a blonde, if it's a brunette it's that... I had more respect for him than for guys who lied to women to get into their pants.

yes, and not only that, he gets whatever kinda sex he wants too, if he wants deep throat and swallowing, if he wants anal, whatever, whereas with most women he would date (especially those vanilla types) its just missionary and no bj and no anal.


Actually no swallowing, pretty regulated in terms of what they will do, none of them is going to risk her health, life or income by having unprotected sex. Even if its one of the more "harmless" STDs that can be cured with penicillin, it would still mean she's a few weeks out of commission, I guess you can still find that with girls that are desperate to get the money for a fix and work unregistered, but none of them will work in a brothel or for an agency, where there's more safety and they can also charge more. As for vanilla types just doing missionary? Not so sure about that, I mean just because they don't like whips and chains and all the other goodies doesn't mean they are just going to lay on their backs and play dead.

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:33:03 PM   
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Yeah, Hannah expresses some negative feelings towards her past johns. This is self preservation of a healthy ego, nothing more.

Now, would you care to ask me how I know that?


CP, I love the things that *you* post, but nobody with any common sense has to ask why Hannah didn't think much of most of the johns she dealt with.  If she didn't see at least 98% of them as trash, I'd say she was doing pretty well.


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:35:05 PM   
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She has a vagina so it makes the shit pure gold.
I think it's now become clear, at least to me, just what it is that drives you. You have issues with anybody who has a vagina and a brain, who disagrees with you in any way and will say so.
Damm so close and yet you didn't really nail it .He is a complete and unmitigated asshole.....it's just that simple.Looking for that which "drives"him is a complete waste of time.....he's just an asshole

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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:36:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I've said this before: some men don't pay for sex, they pay to have the chick walk away after.  Just saying.


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That's because your not objective in this.

There is a lot in the way she post which yells out a need to be liked.  That coupled with the way she treated and felt about the Men when she was a hooker really do point to some self worth issues.

Then when there is what is perceived as trouble you ride in to save her.  Think about that one.


I normally love what you two post as a couple (speaking to flcouple2009).

I take issue with the above and can only say, I strongly suspect neither of you have been a prostitute on the street, b/c if you ever had, you would be more familiar with how a "hooker" can be treated. Which is like complete and total shit, in every which way that can be demonstrated.

Yeah, Hannah expresses some negative feelings towards her past johns. This is self preservation of a healthy ego, nothing more.

Now, would you care to ask me how I know that?



What does being treated poorly as a hooker have to do with the price of a blow job or Hannah? Is it a healthy ego that allows one to get into the art of hooking? To preserve it, you had to have it to begin with, right?

Let me guess, you hooked in 1970?


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RE: prostitution/integrity poll - 8/18/2011 6:39:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Oh, I'm not in denial, I'm just wondering if you have any relevant training, because your interpretation differs from that of the woman we see. She actually has a degree. Thank you, bubbye"

Having done some work for organizations involved in psychiatry, I can only point out that there are an awful lot of charlatans in the field, and that all too often, having a degree is no guarantee of being well trained. A good analyst has a neutral, objective stance- empathy may play well on Star Trek, but it often has no business in psychiatry. Nor do snap diagnoses as to the causes of a patients distress.

I bring this up because from my perspective- a well trained psychiatrist/psychologist should make their patient keep an open mind, and that doesn't exactly sound like that's happening here. Otherwise you run the risk of being the shrink in the Dire Strait's song, "Industrial Disease". In short, I don't see how Domiguy's interpretation (and I think by extension, mine as well) can be so summarily dismissed, degree or no degree. There may be evidence to the contrary, but I don't see how it can be ruled out as a potential hypothesis.

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