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LadyAngelika -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 5:24:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Obviously the comment was offensive to you, and for that I apologize. It unfortunately however change the facts that corporal punishment is more prevelent in that region.


I'm afraid your data doesn't say that, either.


I'll agree that I generalized. The data however says that. I can understand how it's hard to accept.
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Nonetheless, just consider my comments to you as bringing to your attention that prejudice that you say you struggle with.

I will. And it is a struggle considering all the injustice I've seen done in the name of religion (any religion). I know there are good religious types, many in fact, but at the core, I see it as dangerous. I can understand how that is offensive to some, but there is a difference between prejudice and awarness.




kalikshama -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 5:57:02 PM)

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/fundamentalist-christians-spanked-daughter-to-death-in-the-name-of-god/

After a 7 hour beating (with prayer breaks), that poor girl died of a condition usually seen by victims of earthquakes and bombings.

While not at all the 10-15 "licks" the Pearls advocate, their methods still seem too intense:

http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2006/05/25/the_pearls

One home-schooling/blogging mother went so far as to buy the plumbing hose and try it on herself. "What I did was take the small supposedly 'harmless' tube and LIGHTLY tap myself on the forearm with it," she reports. "Not only did it sting like an SOB but it also left welts on my arm for TWO hours afterwards."

But I'm with Moonhead:

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You set a precedent for fuckwits pawning their personal responsibility for their actions on some writer and you'll end with Stephen King getting the chair while some serial killer who really enjoyed Rose Madder whines to Oprah about how he wouldn't hate women if it wasn't for that that bloody writer from New England...




Owner59 -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 6:12:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Well, that 'freedom of speech' thing will certainly need to go, now won't it?  From now on, all books will have to be carefully screened before publication to make sure there isn't anything in there some vile piece of shit might find to agree with.  Only the "correct" things should ever be allowed to be printed and published.

Besides, think of all the jobs that would be created by such a nifty new government agency!

[:'(]


Sarah Palin could be agency head.......

She actually has on the job experience in censorship/banning books.




Daddysredhead -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 6:14:05 PM)

FR:

I do not claim these people as part of my faith.




TreasureKY -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 8:08:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Sarah Palin could be agency head.......

She actually has on the job experience in censorship/banning books.



Oh for Christ's sake... get a grip.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp




DomKen -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 8:14:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Sarah Palin could be agency head.......

She actually has on the job experience in censorship/banning books.



Oh for Christ's sake... get a grip.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp


Speaking of a link not saying what someone claims it says.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 8:19:44 PM)

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I'm not sure why this conversation has digressed on the size of the tool used to beat a child or how many times the child is beaten.
i was just pointing out how he had increased the width of the implement by a factor of three, to make it sound more heinous. i don't care what fucking side of the discussion a person is vis-a-vis my own, i'll call bullshit when i see it.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 8:41:55 PM)

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I do not claim these people as part of my faith.
doesn't matter what you claim, they claim it.




tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 8:44:32 PM)

I can claim to be a Canadian... doesn't make it true.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 8:46:05 PM)

fucking stupid analogy. [8|]




ClassIsInSession -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 8:46:29 PM)

Well Hannah, does that make you part of the segment of BDSM people who lure women off the internet and kill them and, dump them in 50 gallon drums in a pond? Doesn't matter, they claim it....RIGHT?

I'm a Christian, and I don't believe in that kind of thing. In fact, I don't judge people because I don't want to be judged. I don't go around pointing out people's flaws because I have plenty of my own. I believe in peace, not war, therefore I don't condone the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya.
Just because someone identifies with a group doesn't make the whole group that way....that's stereotypical and very small minded.




tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 8:59:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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I do not claim these people as part of my faith.
doesn't matter what you claim, they claim it.


I agree Hannah... this was a fucking stupid analogy that you made.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 9:20:05 PM)

That is some scary shit. Like those religious nuts in Oregon who keep letting their kids die of treatable diseases because they only believe in prayer healing.
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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What action, if any, should be taken on the author of the book To Train Up A Child the couple based their "discipline methods" on?
none.

the book and its authors are complete whackfucks, and as much as it will piss off firm - the basis of their whackfuckery is their christianity. it's all bible-based.

here's an interesting read on them and their teachings, interpreted by a christian, using the bible to refute them. tard fight!! [:D]
http://biblearchive.com/blog/2010/apologetics/to-train-up-a-child-an-examination-of-the-pearl-method/

this bit struck me particularly
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It is preparation for future, instant, unquestioning obedience.
and some think that religion is a choice freely made.[8|]





HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 9:20:23 PM)

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Just because someone identifies with a group doesn't make the whole group that way....that's stereotypical and very small minded.
i didn't say it did, now did i?

what i did say was that her rejecting them as christians didn't make them not christians. they reject her as a christian, does that make her not a christian?

they say they accept jesus as the son of god and as their saviour. ergo, they are christians.

their beliefs are based on their fucked up interpretation of various passages in the bible. you may disagree with their interpretation, but that does not make them wrong any more than them disagreeing with your fucked up interpretation makes you wrong.

you are not the arbiter of christianness any more than fuckhead phelps is.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 9:22:48 PM)

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I agree Hannah... this was a fucking stupid analogy that you made.
except i didn't make an analogy doughnut hole.

who's fucking stupid now?




tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 9:27:08 PM)

not me [:D]

I dont paint everyone with the same brush.

I do understand people claim things that are not true.

Its easy to say the "devil" made me do it.  Just as easy to claim "god" did too.

If you claim to believe in something, yet do not follow the rules of that belief... you are a  liar.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 9:42:35 PM)

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I dont paint everyone with the same brush.
i didn't either. ladya sort of did though, was this bit meant for her?
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I do understand people claim things that are not true.
assuming you are disputing their claim to be christian, by what authority are you making this judgement? did jesus come and fucking talk with you last night?
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Its easy to say the "devil" made me do it. Just as easy to claim "god" did too.
while i don't disagree, this is of no relevance to anything i have said.
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If you claim to believe in something, yet do not follow the rules of that belief... you are a liar.
in what way did they not follow the rules of their beliefs?

reality: 1, tazzy: 0




tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 9:52:13 PM)

If you claim to be D/D free, and I see you smoking pot... what should I believe.

In what way?

Thou shall not kill. 

Pretty much a basic belief... yet they did.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 10:10:30 PM)

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Thou shall not kill. 
the authors didn't kill anybody.
and the parents did so unintentionally, thus they cannot be held accountable under the 10 commandments, as it has been established that the actual hebrew wording of the commandment reads "thou shalt not murder", and murder requires intent. try again.


reality: 2, tazzy: 0




Ninebelowzero -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 10:19:34 PM)

OK hat into the ring time.
Regular physical chastisement of children hardens them to the next one after a while. The kid just gets to thinking well the last one wasn't so bad stuff it. So the parent has to up the ante & so a spiral of violence & abuse may well be born. Heretic says about the trip to the woodshed for an ass whupping well that in itself is ok but is a nuclear option, but again once endured a kid will either never do it again or think so what!
Once a kid starts to think that the beasting is endurable where do you go as a parent? What next a length of good old Hickory, a baseball bat? If parents put the effort in to be seen as Alpha Female/Male in the family, this approach isn't required. A quiet word, a raised eyebrow works as does a fur flying teeth bared growl at the other end of the spectrum. It's parents who don't engage with their kids who have these disciplinary issues (in general) parents too busy at work, too busy boozing, too busy with other stuff, we all know the look of abject disappointment on a kids face when they find out that Mum or Dad is going to be home late from work & they won't see them before bedtime, so imagine that on a prolonged timescale. I'm rambling now but that lack of engagement with a child at his/her emotional level is in the main the catalyst foe behavioural issues in my experience (abuse cases aside). So taking all the above into account, my kid is nearly always bruised scabbed dirty from rough play with myself but he knows who top dog is without a beating.

It is far betterfor both the child & the parent to go puddle jumping with your kid than bollock him/her for doing it themself.




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