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tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 12:54:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: A child who is unconscious requires compassion and medical attention. Knowledge no one can dispute. they called 911. quote: 70 hours of beating goes directly towards the anger. 3 days. Consider that and then try and reason with yourself that there was no intent. beating over a period of 7 hours, not continuously. facts, tazzy, please restrict yourself to facts. reality: 6, tazzy: 0 They called after the child stopped breathing. She was resuscitated at a hospital and later died yet again. Yeah, boy, thats some compassion there all right. [8\|] Get the facts yourself. reality 7, hannah -100

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 12:56:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather they were hideous fucking lunatics. and to be honest, speaking purely on an emotional level, in this particular case i can understand the appeal of the death penalty. if ever anybody needed killing they do. Yip, they were. Using a "religious" defence is just part of their lunacy... one too many people are all to willing to accept.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 1:06:57 AM)
they sought medical attention, which is what you said they needed to do. you running out of room for those goalposts yet tard? reality: 7, tazzy: 0

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 1:13:25 AM)
Nope.. again you are wrong. I said when an unconscious child ... the child was dead when they called. reality 8, hannah -200

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 1:22:12 AM)
nope wrong, you said she was resucitated at the hospital, so she wasn't dead. you only die once. got anything else to prove they weren't christians? reality: 8, tazzy: 0 though i really should give reality a bonus for your idiotic "died yet again" remark, but i'm keeping an honest score.

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 1:37:53 AM)
Tell that to a Physician, emt or nurse. They will laugh at you as hard as I am.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 1:50:17 AM)
people do not return from the dead. death is final, that's what the fucking word means. when you are dead, you're dead, it's like being pregnant, you can't be a little bit dead. that's why they say "you almost died", not "you died". how many fucking death certificates are there? i'm guessing 2 since she died twice, right? [8\|] reality: 9, tazzy: 0

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 2:04:00 AM)
Dont need a death certificate to die, dumbass. Death is the absence of breathing, heart beat and brain waves. Seen that many, many times in ER's, and seen many patients come back from that state. A death certificate is a legal document. Its like saying someone isnt born because there is no birth certificate.

DomKen -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 2:13:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: I do not claim these people as part of my faith. doesn't matter what you claim, they claim it. It's a fairly common logical fallacy called the "No True Scotsman" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 2:47:43 AM)
quote: Dont need a death certificate to die, dumbass. holy fuck! that is the opposite of what i said. please tell me english isn't your first language, please! quote: Death is the absence of breathing, heart beat and brain waves. Seen that many, many times in ER's, and seen many patients come back from that state. wrong stunned cunt. death is the irreversible cessation of those functions. if somebody returns from that state, it wasn't irreversible, so they weren't fucking dead. look at what you are saying - people can die more than once, death is reversible. aren't you supposed to have some knowledge of the medical field? one would think if that were the case that you'd be familiar with the fucking uniform determination of death act. and semantically speaking, the state of apparent lifelessness has to be permanent for it to be death as well, so you don't have a fucking leg to stand on, not legally, semantically, or logically. you're just blowing smoke out your ass in a pathetic desperate attempt to be right about something. do you really want to go on? give it up for fuck's sake, haven't you made yourself look stupid enough yet? reality: 10, tazzy: 0

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 3:49:15 AM)
Determination of Death. An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards. Toddler resuscitated 40 minutes after being declared dead Daniel Yi and Jennifer Mena, Los Angeles Times Published Saturday, November 8, 2003 A Fullerton, Calif., toddler who apparently drowned in her backyard pool came back to life Friday, 40 minutes after being pronounced dead at a hospital, authorities said. A police detective was taking pictures of 20-month-old Mackayala Jespersen at Anaheim Memorial Hospital, a routine police procedure in child deaths, when he noticed the girl trying to breathe, said police Sgt. Ron Gillett. The detective immediately alerted doctors, who resuscitated the girl. "It was a very emotional moment for everyone," Gillett said. "We thought she didn't make it and then she did. It was the lowest of the lows and the highest of the highs." She will be pronounced dead at least twice in her lifetime. The Uniform Determination of Death Act (UDDA) and its state counterparts require the "irreversible" cessation of the functions of either (i) the entire brain or (2) the heart and lungs before a person can be considered dead. A hypothermic patient can show up at the hospital with absolutely no brain waves, no breathing, no heart beat... all the clinical requirements for death... and still be resuscitated. Medical experts said it was not unusual for people to survive being submerged in cold water, but that the time that had passed before Mackayala woke up was extraordinary. “If you had said she came back to life after ten minutes I would be surprised,” Mark Langdorf, chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at the University of California, Irvine, said. “But 40 minutes is just exceptional.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1014875.ece Mark I. Langdorf Professor of Clinical Emergency Medicine, Chair Department of Emergency Medicine School of Medicine Medical Director, Emergency Department; Associate Residency Director M.D., University of California, San Diego Yeah, no Dr would ever say someone came back to life. Oops... one did.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 3:55:49 AM)
there was a man who came back to life when he felt himself being autopsied in a morgue. he was fully dead in the eyes of the law, his family, the doctors, etc. i can't seem to find the most recent article about that from the US, because there are so many other "dead person found alive in morgue" stories on google.

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 3:57:02 AM)
Amazing, isnt it.

kalikshama -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 4:28:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: I do not claim these people as part of my faith. doesn't matter what you claim, they claim it. It's a fairly common logical fallacy called the "No True Scotsman" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman Thanks DomKen. Random individuals don't have the authority to declare someone "not a Christian." While I would argue the parent's behavior was "not Christian" (or sane), I couldn't make a case that they themselves are not Christians. I'm familiar with excommunication as a part of Catholicism; other religions use some form of it as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication Excommunication is a religious censure used to deprive, suspend or limit membership in a religious community. The word means putting [someone] out of communion. In some religions, excommunication includes spiritual condemnation of the member or group. Excommunication may involve banishment, shunning, and shaming, depending on the religion, the offense that caused excommunication, or the rules or norms of the religious community. ...Christian churches have practiced excommunication for 2000 years. Apparently excommunicated Catholics are still Catholic: In Roman Catholic canon law, excommunication is a censure and thus a "medicinal penalty" intended to invite the person to change behaviour or attitude, to repent and return to full communion.[1] It is not an "expiatory penalty", designed to make satisfaction for the wrong done, still less a merely "vindictive penalty", designed solely to punish. Excommunication can be either latae sententiae (automatic, incurred at the moment of committing the offence for which canon law imposes that penalty); or it can ferendae sententiae (incurred only when imposed by a legitimate superior or declared as the sentence of an ecclesiastical court).[2] Excommunicated Catholics are still Catholics and remain bound by obligations such as attending Mass, even though they are barred from receiving the Eucharist and from taking an active part in the liturgy (reading, bringing the offerings, etc.).[3] However, their communion with the Church is considered gravely impaired.[4] In spite of that, they are urged to retain a relationship with the Church, as the goal is to encourage them to repent and return to active participation in its life.

farglebargle -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 4:57:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather they were hideous fucking lunatics. and to be honest, speaking purely on an emotional level, in this particular case i can understand the appeal of the death penalty. if ever anybody needed killing they do. Yip, they were. Using a "religious" defence is just part of their lunacy... one too many people are all to willing to accept. Yeah, well then, if that's their story it's OBVIOUS they're possessed by a demon, and we need to drill a dozen 1/2" holes to get into their brains and let the demons out... Problem solved.

susie -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 7:25:17 AM)
A bit late to the thread but sadly this is not the first time something like this has happened. In November 2001 a couple by the name of Constance and Larry Slack gagged their 12 year old daughter before strapping her down to a bed. They were upset that their daughter was uncooperative and so decided to administer discipline from the Bible. Her father, then repeatedly hit her with an inch-thick section of rubberized electrical cable filled with strands of wire, police said. She died of internal bleeding.Both parents were devout Jehovah's Witnesses.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 8:25:46 AM)
The thing that is so shocking about these cases is that these are parents who in some twisted way believe they are practicing good parenting. They read the book in the first place in order to get ideas to be better parents and raise their children "right". That is why these crimes get so much attention, they are so much more dramatic than some meth head beating their kid to death after neglecting the child for a few years. And the California couple had six kids! Jesus, sometimes I think only stupid people are breeding. I don't think the authors have any liability though, legal or otherwise. It would be nice if they were ethical enough to decide to stop publishing this shit on their own, though. Physically disciplining an infant? That's insane. After these deaths they should realize that there is a percentage of their target audience that just can't be trusted to not punish in anger, once they are given a reason to believe it is OK to physically punish children. Not saying I was the best parent in the world, but I never hit my kids. It just didn't feel right to me.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 8:54:01 AM)
quote: Determination of Death. An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards. quote: Yeah, no Dr would ever say someone came back to life. Oops... one did. doctors SAY all sorts of stupid shit, that doesn't make it so. look at the first bit i quoted, your answer is right there. you're getting fucking tiresome woman, a person has to make each fucking point 2 or 3 times before you get it. you really are thick aren't you? reality: 11, tazzy: 0

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 9:01:58 AM)
quote: there was a man who came back to life when he felt himself being autopsied in a morgue. he was fully dead in the eyes of the law, his family, the doctors, etc. in there eyes, sure, but not in fact. if he "came back to life" he wasn't fucking dead. he may have appeared to be, but he wasn't. quote: i can't seem to find the most recent article about that from the US, because there are so many other "dead person found alive in morgue" stories on google. if they were found alive, they weren't fucking dead. dead is permanent. if the condition that is being interpreted as dead can be reversed, then the interpretation is wrong. it's a fucking misdiagnosis, not a miracle. joseph's blue balls, do i have to come down there and smack you in person? dead is dead, if a person is revived they were never dead. fuck!

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 9:14:02 AM)
quote: Amazing, isnt it. no it isn't. i'll tell you what is fucking amazing. that you both are taking a common turn of phrase, an expression, wherein a key word "apparently" is left out because it is understood, as some sort of evidence of a scientific, medical, legal, and linguistic impossibility. this one i'm not going to count, as it's really just commentary on your own obvious obtuseness which you're misinterpreting as brilliance, so we're still at 11 - 0 in favour of reality.

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