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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 1:18:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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I was just curious if MPD is real, because it sure seemed that way to me.
it's real. read this thread for a little insight, it starts out on schizophrenia, but gets into mpd/did/whatever right near the end on page 10, but the whole thing is worth reading. it's probably one of the best fucking threads i have ever seen anywhere online. heather cried when she read it - she's such a softie. :)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2660317/mpage_1/tm.htm





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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 1:19:25 PM   
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??? I'm pretty sure the at sign does that automatically in this software, but I didn't think it did it for the amphersand.

For the hell of I just looked it up and the at sign seems to be called an amphere I think......

I think what Sylvere said interesting, that the movie wasn't quite a documentary. Even the book I guess. We need to remember that all the time, that when someone writes something they have a reason.

Of course that doesn't explain why any of us are here. Perhaps it is some sort of disorder.

But the idea of the OP here is a serious one. I am the first one to pooh pooh some aspects of modern psychology, I think alot of it is full of shit. I think they make up names for people having a rainy day feeling to sell drugs. I have done preludents(sp) for recreation and know what they do, and I know what they were. I am convinced that they were invented to make people appear to be incompetent at court hearings. I know that any profession, no matter how noble will have some crooks, and worse. That is because I know people.

However it is NOT all bullshit. There are people who should simply be shot. But why ? What made them that way. In the case of the OP's nephew, what made his incubating unit (I refuse to use the word Mother any more) the way she was ? Most likely something about her childhood I would think. Something wasn't right. Perhaps she was abused. OK, if her "Parents" were abusive, what made them that way ? Keep this up and we will get all the way back to Adam and Eve. (I am not religious, I use that reference only to make the point)

At what point do we stop this ? The only way to stop this is either to learn our way out somehow if in these fucked up circumstances, or to die off. Not necessarily by getting shot at sunrise, but at least by not reproducing.

And what was this incubitch thinking when she didn't have an abortion, or just leave the kid at the hospital. And if she was using during pregnancy the baby probably had problems due to that. What did she think was going to happen ?

She didn't think.

This is getting too fucking depressing. How about a little good news today.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 1:22:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Termy, what made the mother what she was is meth.  Meth, meth, meth.  That's all.  

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 1:29:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
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I was just curious if MPD is real, because it sure seemed that way to me.
it's real. read this thread for a little insight, it starts out on schizophrenia, but gets into mpd/did/whatever right near the end on page 10, but the whole thing is worth reading. it's probably one of the best fucking threads i have ever seen anywhere online. heather cried when she read it - she's such a softie. :)
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2660317/mpage_1/tm.htm


Indeed, I recommend that thread as well. It taught me much.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 1:32:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		"It's a very real and valid albeit rare condition. It doesn't however typically manifest in extremes of violence, though varying alters may be say more lewd, or prone to criminal behavior. You have a lot going on with this kid. "

I'm going to brush off the exorcist thing........ but not the rest of what you said.

It's pretty easy to concieve that cases of extreme abuse in early childhood could cause a form of MPD, whatever the nome de jure' may be. This could almost make it seem hereditary. But I wonder at this point what the other causes might be. Perhaps environmental factors (chemical perhaps) which affect the hormones in a young body/mind ?

Perhaps occurences that really are not abuse but are some sort of trigger for an individual, based on a personality trait that was never revealed ?

Abuse, that's easy to figure out, it's an escape and becomes a trap. But what if it happens in the absence of any form of abuse ?

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 1:36:54 PM   
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If you know of any cases in which someone actually did get a degree for example, in a mental ward I would like to hear about it. I HAVE heard of it happening in prison on occasion, but not in a mental institution.


I taught a student for an MA course in ecological philosophy in Broadmoor Hospital once. But that houses the criminally insane. (Actually, the most criminally insane in the UK.) Not quite what you were talking about, though, I guess.


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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 1:44:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

It's pretty easy to concieve that cases of extreme abuse in early childhood could cause a form of MPD, whatever the nome de jure' may be. This could almost make it seem hereditary. But I wonder at this point what the other causes might be. Perhaps environmental factors (chemical perhaps) which affect the hormones in a young body/mind ?


There's been some discussion of this and one of the more popular hypotheses is that it's a combination of a predisposition for a child to be emotionally sensitive plus trauma.  However, whether or not trauma is necessarily involved is in question, as well as what constitutes "trauma."  War, natural disasters or a parent's protracted battle with cancer could all qualify as trauma to a person already predisposed to more frequent/extreme episodes of dissociation.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 2:11:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Termy, what made the mother what she was is meth.  Meth, meth, meth.  That's all."

Sorry, I don't buy that. I have known too many people who did drugs to believe that. I have seen to many different reactions. What people do to feed their addiction is one aspect, the thieving etc., but burning a kid with cigarettes doesn't make any money. We've all known some bad drunks in our lives I think, consider why one will be happy and hungry and fall down, while another will beat his Wife.

I knew a meth head. I disassociated from him because of a money issue, but he has great kids, he treats them very well, not coddles but no abuse. They were doing well last I heard. He won't even smoke cigarettes in the house if the kids are home. He is, or at least was very careful about that. Far as I know nothing has changed.

His best friend actually cooked the meth. So he was getting it really cheap and financially it was not a problem. The cooker also had a kid and the kids would play, well they would play too. Alot of times they didn't get high, so they could spend time with the kids. They kept this activity away from the youngins.

This is not all a happy story. The cooker got busted for the second time and hung himself. So I am not saying this is a good thing, but meth does not make someone abusive. Alcohol does not make someone abusive. No drug actually does that, although PCP actually does come close. It still only happens to certain people.

Hopefully they know who they are.

Which is one of the reasons I say that drug abuse is no excuse.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 2:14:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		"War, natural disasters or a parent's protracted battle with cancer could all qualify as trauma to a person already predisposed to more frequent/extreme episodes of dissociation. "

Makes sense to me, thanks. So it's trauma. Whether that trauma happens to be abuse or not is irrelevent.

Yes, it makes perfect sense.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 2:19:26 PM   
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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 2:21:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe it's trauma, maybe not.  There are a number of systems who do not feel they are trauma-based.  They see their multiplicity as their natural state, similar to being left- or right-handed.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 2:59:06 PM   
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Ar, good to see you here now that I am aware of that other thread. Took some balls to come out with that, but I think you're glad you did. But now, in your case, do you know what happened to you ? I mean if you care to say. I don't want any more into your head than you want. I remember something else about you, that you would almost rather die than to strike another. But as I guess has been established, trauma need not be abuse. For a kid, it might be watching your puppy get run over by a car, it depends on a few things. Or could it just have happened for no apparent reason ?

It's great that you can discern it from reality. But it is actually reality, just not physical reality.




Sylvere, you reference left or right handed. That what's normal for one is not for another. Could this be something like the words of a Rush tune, all the world's indeeed a stage and we are really players, performers and portrayers, each another's audience.........., and that some just seem to fit multiple roles ? Use them as such ? Maybe see not being that way as somehow one dimensional and possibly even - boring ? The left handed analogy is interesting as well. They don't want you to be left handed because back in the old days when we wrote with quills or whatever, if you wrote left handed you would smear the ink because it wasn't yet dry. However some languages write right to left. Now they used to say that if you were right handed you were left brained, and vice versa. I am a southpaw, so if that means I am right brained, just what does that mean ? Maybe that I am more suited to a different culture ?

Seriously, I think I am going to call my oldest living relative and ask if she knows how many were left handed and right handed in the family. We have certain mental triats and I think many are/were left handed. The old texts had something to say about it but like anything else I take those words with a grain of salt. I wonder how much more there is to this, and if as was asserted about hand preference being one side of the brain being more dominant, if maybe people with MPD type conditions might have different areas of the brain somehow disconnected.

Well, if I get bored at least it'll give me something to look up.





The way I see it, now that it's been established that we can't help this kid, might as well explore the subject eh ?

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 3:09:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here you go, Termy.  This is one of the more well-known (at least among multiple systems) essays advocating the "multiplicity is natural" philosophy.

http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/theory.html

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 3:12:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know you don't agree about the drug abuse Termy, but I believe it is true.  I also wonder to what extent being exposed to meth before birth may have affected him.  His so called mother was not the type to quit using just because she was pregnant.,

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 3:14:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have no idea Termy, I have looked and looked and I can't find a single thing in my childhood that was even slightly traumatic, unless you want to count moving every 3 or 4 years to a different country, but I don't recall that ever bothering me as a kid. My childhood was idyllic, it was just about as close to perfect a childhood as I can imagine.

However, as I pointed out in that other thread, there is a long history of eccentricity in my family, and one of my aunts was a diagnosed schizophrenic. As well, the weirdness of my perceptions of the world goes as far back as I can remember, and with a lot of thought since that thread was made, I see many many signs of my problems throughout my childhood and youth. So I am inclined to believe, that there was no particular trigger, I was just born this way. Much like Syl's left hand/right hand idea. Nothing happened, nothing caused it, it's just the way I am.


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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 3:17:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
If you know of any cases in which someone actually did get a degree for example, in a mental ward I would like to hear about it. I HAVE heard of it happening in prison on occasion, but not in a mental institution.


Actually I do Termy. My daughter was in a mental hospital for awhile as a teenager. She was housed with others around her age up to their mid 20's. The schools and colleges would send teachers and professors to the hospital for lessons and they also had online classes. My daughter did both and a couple of the kids she was housed with got college degrees while there but because they were not mentally stable they just were not allowed to leave the hospital.



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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 3:18:02 PM   
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I also wonder to what extent being exposed to meth before birth may have affected him.

I would say that is a very VERY strong possibility. FAS is a real thing after all, so why wouldn't meth mess up a fetus as well. And given that we don't have an actual diagnosis of MPD/DID (or unless I missed it, any diagnosis at all), we can't really know.


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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 3:35:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

However, as I pointed out in that other thread, there is a long history of eccentricity in my family, and one of my aunts was a diagnosed schizophrenic. As well, the weirdness of my perceptions of the world goes as far back as I can remember, and with a lot of thought since that thread was made, I see many many signs of my problems throughout my childhood and youth.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't schizophrenia and related conditions the result of imbalances in brain chemistry that have nothing to do with environment?  Whereas multiplicity doesn't necesarily have an organic cause; it's either the result of trauma and/or a natural, developmental predisposition.  I know schizophrenia can run in families but I've never heard of multiplicity being hereditary.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 3:37:11 PM   
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Has anyone else ever encountered someone they think has multiple personalities?


Yes, I know someone with multiples. I'd thought she was extremely moody. Another one of her friends guessed it though. I once showed her something very weird on my finger and saw her shift into the personality that made it through med school. Her posture and everything changed. I was amazed!

She said food shopping got very expensive as the "kids" snuck things into the cart.

She'd been terribly, terribly abused as a child.

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RE: Multiple Personality Disorder - 8/22/2011 3:44:53 PM   
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Nothing happened, nothing caused it, it's just the way I am.

Quite. It is your natural condition.

It ain't a problem if it is natural.

Elephants have trunks: that is natural also and it is an asset for them, not a problem. (Unless they get a cold, of course. Then they require huge handkerchiefs. )

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