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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 12:48:34 PM   
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I just knew I'd be able to use this image...some day....somehow.

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 12:52:17 PM   
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And I'm sure you have tons more in reserve just waitin' for the riiiiiiiiiiiiiight moment!  

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 1:00:10 PM   
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women do not want - to be viewed as body parts.


Women DO want to be viewed (for their) body parts!

It doesn't matter what you say because the proof is in the pudding.

Just watch what women wear.

You don't see (any) men exposing most of their secondary sexual characteristics at the office party - while (many) women do it all the time (very willingly).

You don't see (any) men wearing stuffed codpieces - while (many) women stuff their bras all the time (again, quite willingly)!

(Most) men don't wear the shortest & tightest pants they can find on a simple stroll down the street - while (many) women - again quite willingly - often show camel toes to anyone who cares to look.

The proof is clearly in the pudding.

The fact is, (many) women DO want their body parts to be viewed.

Otherwise, why do what they do?

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 1:04:35 PM   
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Not. Going. To. Reply. 

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 1:10:02 PM   
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the proof is in the pudding.
Just watch what women wear.


The proof, as you say, is only in your INTERPRETATION of the pudding.

Taking your examples, it could just as well be that women like to wear low necked tops at the office party because they're more comfortable and that it is not to show men their boobs.

Similarly the bra stuffing example might just as well be because she feels she looks better in that dress with a larger rounder bosom than with a flatter profile.

And the tightest pants and shortest skirts example could just be because it's more fun to wear those brightly patterned outfits out on the street.

The proof isn't in the pudding.

Women want what women say they want, not what you interpret they want by the way they dress.

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 1:18:35 PM   
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Not. Going. To. Reply. 


Well I am...

Domiman I'll just bet you also are of the opinion that women who are raped asked for it. Am I right? I am aren't I. After all they don't wear shapeless sacks so there is at least an outline of their bodies. And damn the ones who wear close-fitting clothes, geez how is a man supposed to resist?!

Dumbass the comment was that we don't want to be viewed AS body parts not that we don't want our body parts TO BE viewed. Hell of a difference there.

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 1:21:19 PM   
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Thanks for saying what I wouldn't have said Zeph.  My polite factor went right out the window when I saw that.  Didn't want to collect another golden ticket, it's been awhile since I've received one. 

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 1:24:51 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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women do not want - to be viewed as body parts.


Women DO want to be viewed (for their) body parts!

It doesn't matter what you say because the proof is in the pudding.

Just watch what women wear.

You don't see (any) men exposing most of their secondary sexual characteristics at the office party - while (many) women do it all the time (very willingly).

You don't see (any) men wearing stuffed codpieces - while (many) women stuff their bras all the time (again, quite willingly)!

(Most) men don't wear the shortest & tightest pants they can find on a simple stroll down the street - while (many) women - again quite willingly - often show camel toes to anyone who cares to look.

The proof is clearly in the pudding.

The fact is, (many) women DO want their body parts to be viewed.

Otherwise, why do what they do?



There certainly are alot of women that dress to get the attention of men who may
not give them a second glance otherwise. The problem with your statement is that
you are declaring that it is all women who do so, which makes your post mute.

I happen to enjoy dressing enticingly on occassion, and although I do so in a more
subtle way than your examples, I can't fathom how you can compare that to some
stranger shoving their pussy in your face.



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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 1:25:07 PM   
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No probs honeypaws. I had to hold back though, that kind of male just pisses me the hell off. It's just soooo last century.

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 1:26:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiman


quote:

ORIGINAL: lizi
women do not want - to be viewed as body parts.


Women DO want to be viewed (for their) body parts!

It doesn't matter what you say because the proof is in the pudding.

Just watch what women wear.

You don't see (any) men exposing most of their secondary sexual characteristics at the office party - while (many) women do it all the time (very willingly).

You don't see (any) men wearing stuffed codpieces - while (many) women stuff their bras all the time (again, quite willingly)!

(Most) men don't wear the shortest & tightest pants they can find on a simple stroll down the street - while (many) women - again quite willingly - often show camel toes to anyone who cares to look.

The proof is clearly in the pudding.

The fact is, (many) women DO want their body parts to be viewed.

Otherwise, why do what they do?



You are not getting it. Women sometimes dress provocatively to be alluring to the opposite sex, or their own sex (in fact many women dress for other women to notice).

Dressing provocatively, low cut top, short shorts, etc. is still considered acceptable behavior in most of society.

If men walked around waving their dicks in our faces on the street or in the office, that is considered unacceptable. Certainly not alluring. It is only alluring when you are with someone you have chosen to see.

Like it or not.

And the discussion is about whether women want to see dick pics prior to getting to know someone, not a discourse on how women dress in daily life.

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 2:36:33 PM   
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quote:

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DoYouNeedHelp

When a woman unveils her body, she is showing her vulnerability and submission. When a man unveils his body, he is showing he is dangerous and dominant. If the woman orders him to show himself, then, it is by her choice and she holds the power.

A submissive woman already feels that the man is dominant, usually, and, so, to throw a cock in her face, even just pictorially, is to needlessly put her in her place with threats.

A dominant woman will see the cocks being flung about freely as a sign that the man is there to use women's bodies and is only lying about his submissive state.

It doesn't matter how the man feels about it, because, this is nature, not rational thought. You can feel like you are trying to share, all you want, but, the truth is, penises are made to thrust, stab, force into things, break open the womb, and, alter the woman's body through pregnancy. There is nothing submissive about them, which is why so many women want to control a man through chastity devices and why so many submissive men want it that way.
What a load of misguided bunkum. I don't even know where to start other than to say that if you believe this ...shit, then you do need help.  [My bolds]


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I'm gay, I don't like cocks, why show me yours?

This has me seriously confused.

And pissed off. They are not only unwanted, they are distressing. The only cock I have interacted with was forced on me, I really resent these men doing the same, forcing their ugly penii on me. It is, to me, a form of visual rape.



 
Arpig - and others who were disparaging of DoYouNeedHelp's comments:

Isn't DYNH confirming Heather's view, here - to some slight extent, at least?  Me, I read Heather's point and had probably the same reaction as most: 'Oh yes, I'd feel that way too in your position.  How vile and loathsome to receive unwanted pics of dicks.' 

Versus  DYNH, I don't believe that penises were 'made' to be used as instruments of force - but the fact is that they *can* be, and - clearly - often have been.  And they're attached to humans who are usually strong enough to be able to use them that way on women should they want to.  

Now I'm not at all sure that it's the correct explanation for why, generally, women have a quite different reaction to pictures of dicks from men than men would have to pictures of vaginas from women, but it does seem important to give due weight to the obvious, 'sociobiological hypothesis' before dispensing with it. 

By that 'sociobiological hypothesis' I mean that dicks can be symbolic of threat (of rape leading to pregnancy), whereas vaginas cannot.  What was once a purely biological and animalistic thing amongst pre-humans has now become refined into a question of 'taste and good manners'.  A man with good manners is said to be a gentleman - a gentle man.  A gentle man would not do anything physically threatening to a woman. 

Right.  Now I realise that there are all sorts of problems with this basic idea, but it does seem like the starting point - something properly to be dealt with before we all move off into vague (and, apparently disputed) ideas that 'women are into seeing men holistically; men see women as a collection of disparate sexual bits', or that 'women aren't as visual as men'.

To show all my cards:  I don't know why men send pics of their dicks.  I've never had an urge to do that - no impulse at all.  It's not something that's ever given me a buzz.  A partner might get a pic of it, but only if she demanded it of me and even then she'd have to work hard to convince me that she wanted to see it.  Basically, I'm saying that there's not just stuff that I can't quite grasp about women, there's stuff about (a few, some, lots?) of other men I can't quite grasp, either. 

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 2:40:27 PM   
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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 2:50:49 PM   
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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 2:51:23 PM   
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and teh bishop, neh?

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 2:55:16 PM   
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Only for the twenty minutes or so a day I spend bashing him.  Otherwise he's just an irritation, or occasionally (as per this morning) a downright searing pain when I sit on my bike too quickly.  :-(

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 3:02:42 PM   
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... even then she'd have to work hard to convince me that she wanted to see it...



Certainly *in person* with my male of choice I want to see it and play with it and put pretty clippy things on it, and even {gasp} use it for its designated purpose, , but the whole random picture thing, not at all.

And personally, I pretty much don't care if a guy understands *why* as a woman I don't want to see it. He just has to accept the fact, and restrain himself.

** edited for darn apostrophe lol

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 3:08:27 PM   
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And this:

In this "brave new world of penis-based messaging" Kristen Schaal explains to Jon Stewart why penis pics won't close the deal. Guys on here take note. ;) http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-7-2011/rash-of-penis-photos

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 8:09:34 PM   
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And this:

In this "brave new world of penis-based messaging" Kristen Schaal explains to Jon Stewart why penis pics won't close the deal. Guys on here take note. ;) http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-7-2011/rash-of-penis-photos



OMG, thank you, thank you!! That was hilarious! A must-see for every guy! Favorite quote from there: Kristen says, "their penis has much more power over them than it does over us!" And the paraphrased bit at the end, "women want penises that are good listeners, that she can take home to her parents, and that are protective yet nurturing."

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 8:42:26 PM   
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OMG, thank you, thank you!! That was hilarious! A must-see for every guy! Favorite quote from there: Kristen says, "their penis has much more power over them than it does over us!" And the paraphrased bit at the end, "women want penises that are good listeners, that she can take home to her parents, and that are protective yet nurturing."


Yes, thanks! Both my favorite parts, too.

** edited to fix the quote. :)

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RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says ... - 8/27/2011 10:44:35 PM   
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So, domiman said women just want their body parts viewed, yet he's exposing his secondary sexual parts in public and in his profile pic, and possibly more since his pudding parts are hidden by his beercup: so . . . he's an out trannie who (un)dresses like a woman, or is just another man who is asking for it, since he knows of no other apparent reason to dress that way?

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