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Iamsemisweet -> How will the wolf survive? (8/25/2011 11:04:21 PM)
http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/aug/25/motion-to-bar-montana-idaho-wolf-hunts-denied/ Fucking congressman insert a budget rider that basically guts the endangered species act protection for wolves in large parts of the west. This is after the goddamn Feds spent years and millions of dollars on recovering the species and reintroducing them to those same parts of the west. And some fucking dumb ass judge denied an injunction to stop a hunt that will likely wipe out every pack member before a decision can be made on the legality of the rider. God damn these people. So much for the value of a species being "incalcuable".

LillyBoPeep -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 4:08:01 AM)
gaaaaah!!!! it's like every day, there are 500 new reasons to be absolutely SICK of people.

Sanity -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 4:40:05 AM)
These wolves are reproducing like rabbits, theyre nowhere near endangered these days. In fact theyre wiping out grizzlies and elk Ive got my tag [:)] When are they going to reintroduce wolves, cougars, and bears to Central Park?

Aylee -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 5:29:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity When are they going to reintroduce wolves, cougars, and bears to Central Park? They have them. They are just the two-legged kind and you cannot get a tag during bow season for them. [>:]

pahunkboy -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 5:40:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/aug/25/motion-to-bar-montana-idaho-wolf-hunts-denied/ Fucking congressman insert a budget rider that basically guts the endangered species act protection for wolves in large parts of the west. This is after the goddamn Feds spent years and millions of dollars on recovering the species and reintroducing them to those same parts of the west. And some fucking dumb ass judge denied an injunction to stop a hunt that will likely wipe out every pack member before a decision can be made on the legality of the rider. God damn these people. So much for the value of a species being "incalcuable". WRONG Kill the fuckers! I dont want my live stock wiped out. Ranchers and farmers have a hard enough time producing as FAT Americans food! If I am on a jury for this - I will deadlock the jury. How would you feel if your cat got eaten by a wolf?

Sanity -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 5:48:23 AM)
Theyre commonly taking peoples pets, careful where you walk your dog. These pack bastards are huge, and they kill for fun.

angelikaJ -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 5:58:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity These wolves are reproducing like rabbits, theyre nowhere near endangered these days. In fact theyre wiping out grizzlies and elk Ive got my tag [:)] When are they going to reintroduce wolves, cougars, and bears to Central Park? Sanity, Grizzlies are a larger predator. Larger predators are not usually on the dine and dash list (wolves typically eat their food rather fast to avoid it being stolen by things such as grizzlies).

pahunkboy -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:00:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Theyre commonly taking peoples pets, careful where you walk your dog. These pack bastards are huge, and they kill for fun. Animals have no Constitutional rights. NONE.

Sanity -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:09:35 AM)
[image]http://www-tc.pbs.org/wnet/nature/wp-content/plugins/promoplayer/data/nature/assets/images/promo_lg_clash.jpg[/image] Not exactly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzfYsIC8ufs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pd7yTRnYzg

Iamsemisweet -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:10:30 AM)
do you have any idea what you are talking about? I think the fucking ranchers would be thrilled if the grizzlies were gone too. ou quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity These wolves are reproducing like rabbits, theyre nowhere near endangered these days. In fact theyre wiping out grizzlies and elk Ive got my tag [:)] When are they going to reintroduce wolves, cougars, and bears to Central Park?

Sanity -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:13:48 AM)
Yes I do, in fact I live here. quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet do you have any idea what you are talking about? O you quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity These wolves are reproducing like rabbits, theyre nowhere near endangered these days. In fact theyre wiping out grizzlies and elk Ive got my tag [:)] When are they going to reintroduce wolves, cougars, and bears to Central Park?

Iamsemisweet -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:14:21 AM)
Pa, you are so full of shit, all the time, you are hardly worth answering. These wolves are on public land. Ranchers lease that land for about a buck an acre. If they lose a few cattle, fuck them. Guess they don't have to keep their lease. My cat? quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/aug/25/motion-to-bar-montana-idaho-wolf-hunts-denied/ Fucking congressman insert a budget rider that basically guts the endangered species act protection for wolves in large parts of the west. This is after the goddamn Feds spent years and millions of dollars on recovering the species and reintroducing them to those same parts of the west. And some fucking dumb ass judge denied an injunction to stop a hunt that will likely wipe out every pack member before a decision can be made on the legality of the rider. God damn these people. So much for the value of a species being "incalcuable". WRONG Kill the fuckers! I dont want my live stock wiped out. Ranchers and farmers have a hard enough time producing as FAT Americans food! If I am on a jury for this - I will deadlock the jury. How would you feel if your cat got eaten by a wolf?

angelikaJ -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:16:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity [image]http://www-tc.pbs.org/wnet/nature/wp-content/plugins/promoplayer/data/nature/assets/images/promo_lg_clash.jpg[/image] Not exactly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzfYsIC8ufs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pd7yTRnYzg Interspecific Competition Most notable in Yellowstone have been the interactions between gray wolves and grizzly bears. With the reintroduction of gray wolves to Yellowstone, many visitors have witnessed a once common struggle between a keystone species, the grizzly bear, and its historic rival, the grey wolf. The interactions of U. arctos horribilis with the wolves of Yellowstone have been under considerable study. Typically, the conflict will be in the defense of young or over a carcass, which is commonly an elk killed by wolves.[16] The grizzly bear uses its keen sense of smell to locate the kill. Then, the wolves and grizzly will play a game of cat and mouse. One wolf may try to distract the bear while the others feed. The bear then may retaliate by chasing the wolves. If the wolves become aggressive with the bear, it is normally in the form of quick nips at its hind legs. Thus, the bear will sit down and use its ability to protect itself in a full circle. Rarely do interactions such as these end in death or serious injury to either animal. One carcass simply is not usually worth the risk to the wolves (if the bear has the upper hand due to strength and size) or to the bear (if the wolves are too numerous or persistent).

Sanity -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:16:59 AM)
Sorry, but no. Wolf packs do not respect private property boundaries, and they dont limit themselves to "a few" cattle. quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet Pa, you are so full of shit, all the time, you are hardly worth answering. These wolves are on public land. Ranchers lease that land for about a buck an acre. If they lose a few cattle, fuck them. Guess they don't have to keep their lease. My cat?

pahunkboy -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:17:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet Pa, you are so full of shit, all the time, you are hardly worth answering. These wolves are on public land. Ranchers lease that land for about a buck an acre. If they lose a few cattle, fuck them. Guess they don't have to keep their lease. My cat? quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/aug/25/motion-to-bar-montana-idaho-wolf-hunts-denied/ Fucking congressman insert a budget rider that basically guts the endangered species act protection for wolves in large parts of the west. This is after the goddamn Feds spent years and millions of dollars on recovering the species and reintroducing them to those same parts of the west. And some fucking dumb ass judge denied an injunction to stop a hunt that will likely wipe out every pack member before a decision can be made on the legality of the rider. God damn these people. So much for the value of a species being "incalcuable". WRONG Kill the fuckers! I dont want my live stock wiped out. Ranchers and farmers have a hard enough time producing as FAT Americans food! If I am on a jury for this - I will deadlock the jury. How would you feel if your cat got eaten by a wolf? Humans are more important then wolfs. So is our food supply. Put them in a zoo!

mnottertail -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:20:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Yes I do, in fact I live here. quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet do you have any idea what you are talking about? O you quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity These wolves are reproducing like rabbits, theyre nowhere near endangered these days. In fact theyre wiping out grizzlies and elk Ive got my tag [:)] When are they going to reintroduce wolves, cougars, and bears to Central Park? < (less than for you innumerates) 800 wolves is not reproducing like rabbits.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:21:40 AM)
You live in Montana, Idaho, and parts of Utah, Oregon and Washington? Impressive. Or bullshit. They didn't reintroduce in population centers. quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Yes I do, in fact I live here. quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet do you have any idea what you are talking about? O you quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity These wolves are reproducing like rabbits, theyre nowhere near endangered these days. In fact theyre wiping out grizzlies and elk Ive got my tag [:)] When are they going to reintroduce wolves, cougars, and bears to Central Park?

Sanity -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:22:49 AM)
Grizzly bears actually are endangered, and wolf packs harass sow grizzlies with cubs and often take their young. Wolf packs arent even afraid of mature boar grizzlies, the fierce competition alone is problematic for the grizzlies. And not just in Yellowstone, either. quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity [image]http://www-tc.pbs.org/wnet/nature/wp-content/plugins/promoplayer/data/nature/assets/images/promo_lg_clash.jpg[/image] Not exactly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzfYsIC8ufs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pd7yTRnYzg Interspecific Competition Most notable in Yellowstone have been the interactions between gray wolves and grizzly bears. With the reintroduction of gray wolves to Yellowstone, many visitors have witnessed a once common struggle between a keystone species, the grizzly bear, and its historic rival, the grey wolf. The interactions of U. arctos horribilis with the wolves of Yellowstone have been under considerable study. Typically, the conflict will be in the defense of young or over a carcass, which is commonly an elk killed by wolves.[16] The grizzly bear uses its keen sense of smell to locate the kill. Then, the wolves and grizzly will play a game of cat and mouse. One wolf may try to distract the bear while the others feed. The bear then may retaliate by chasing the wolves. If the wolves become aggressive with the bear, it is normally in the form of quick nips at its hind legs. Thus, the bear will sit down and use its ability to protect itself in a full circle. Rarely do interactions such as these end in death or serious injury to either animal. One carcass simply is not usually worth the risk to the wolves (if the bear has the upper hand due to strength and size) or to the bear (if the wolves are too numerous or persistent).

Iamsemisweet -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:22:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Theyre commonly taking peoples pets, careful where you walk your dog. These pack bastards are huge, and they kill for fun. Animals have no Constitutional rights. NONE.

pahunkboy -> RE: How will the wolf survive? (8/26/2011 6:23:23 AM)
If they are so great then put them on a wild life reserve- with elephants, and horses, and zebras, and tigers, and llamas. Easy fix.

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