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Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 5:57:16 AM   
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Guitar Frets: Environmental Enforcement Leaves Musicians in Fear





Agents from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service pore through the workshop at the Gibson Guitar factory on Wednesday morning. Federal agents swooped in on Gibson Guitar Wednesday, raiding factories and offices in Memphis and Nashville, seizing several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. The Feds are keeping mum, but in a statement yesterday Gibson's chairman and CEO, Henry Juszkiewicz, defended his company's manufacturing policies, accusing the Justice Department of bullying the company. "The wood the government seized Wednesday is from a Forest Stewardship Council certified supplier," he said, suggesting the Feds are using the aggressive enforcement of overly broad laws to make the company cry uncle.

It isn't the first time that agents of the Fish and Wildlife Service have come knocking at the storied maker of such iconic instruments as the Les Paul electric guitar, the J-160E acoustic-electric John Lennon played, and essential jazz-boxes such as Charlie Christian's ES-150. In 2009 the Feds seized several guitars and pallets of wood from a Gibson factory, and both sides have been wrangling over the goods in a case with the delightful name "United States of America v. Ebony Wood in Various Forms."

The question in the first raid seemed to be whether Gibson had been buying illegally harvested hardwoods from protected forests, such as the Madagascar ebony that makes for such lovely fretboards. And if Gibson did knowingly import illegally harvested ebony from Madagascar, that wouldn't be a negligible offense. Peter Lowry, ebony and rosewood expert at the Missouri Botanical Garden, calls the Madagascar wood trade the "equivalent of Africa's blood diamonds." But with the new raid, the government seems to be questioning whether some wood sourced from India met every regulatory jot and tittle.

It isn't just Gibson that is sweating. Musicians who play vintage guitars and other instruments made of environmentally protected materials are worried the authorities may be coming for them next.

If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—not to mention face fines and prosecution.

Full article at: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576530520471223268.html


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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 5:57:43 AM   
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godwinned at the first post
wow, congrats

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 6:08:34 AM   
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Way to be on the job enforcing, US Fish and Wildlife!!!!

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 6:11:14 AM   
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Grow up and try to get over yourself, its a figure of speech

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 6:16:49 AM   
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well if the company IS buying protected wood, THAT'S the real problem. the problem with you, Sanity, is that you refuse to see that. 

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 6:18:24 AM   
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nah not so much with you its not..its a calling, a neccessary failing you have.
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once again you over dramatise your words, BADLY.
DO you work for Fox nation?

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 6:47:33 AM   
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Read the article before commenting out of ignorance, dear.

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well if the company IS buying protected wood, THAT'S the real problem. the problem with you, Sanity, is that you refuse to see that. 


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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 6:50:58 AM   
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It isn't just Gibson that is sweating. Musicians who play vintage guitars and other instruments made of environmentally protected materials are worried the authorities may be coming for them next.

If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—not to mention face fines and prosecution.

Full article at: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576530520471223268.html


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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 6:58:36 AM   
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They can be worried all they want, its a Obama is going to take your guns away thing. It aint gonna happen and the laws are clear, prior to the date are legal.

Seems to me it was a conservative SCOTUS who gutted the probable cause, and I find it funny that the 'law and order' 'conservatives' who back the police up and condone if not encourage their paramilitary behavior towards the citizenry would be restive at their investigations of possible lack of lawful adherence of corporations.

Isn't that sort of a WTF, if not outright hypocrasy?



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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:01:04 AM   
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Yeah, right - I have you and another moronic little troll just like you living out your lives in my shadow because I have "failings"

Not...

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nah not so much with you its not..its a calling, a neccessary failing you have.
pathetic..
once again you over dramatise your words, BADLY.
DO you work for Fox nation?


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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:06:23 AM   
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Id be more than happy to not see you again my little shugar plum, but yes I do love pointing out what a complete and utter wunderchunk you are. you are the gift that keeps failing and making an ass of itself...there isnt much better entertainment to be found for sheer love of mockery.


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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:17:55 AM   
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I am sure you could laugh for hours and hours at a hubcap lucy, of that I have no doubt

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Id be more than happy to not see you again my little shugar plum, but yes I do love pointing out what a complete and utter wunderchunk you are. you are the gift that keeps failing and making an ass of itself...there isnt much better entertainment to be found for sheer love of mockery.



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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:22:50 AM   
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dont let go of the knotted rope there superstar

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:28:52 AM   
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Purchasing something that was illegally harvested from a protected area and you get raided. Time to call the WAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:40:13 AM   
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Psst - hey moron

Theyre taking guitars made before any of that wood was "illegal"

Read the fucking article


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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:44:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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It isn't just Gibson that is sweating. Musicians who play vintage guitars and other instruments made of environmentally protected materials are worried the authorities may be coming for them next.

If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—not to mention face fines and prosecuti


notice all the "MAY" and "IF" there isnt a positive threat there..just possibilities
once again with the over board drama llama definitions

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:44:19 AM   
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"It isn't just Gibson that is sweating. Musicians who play vintage guitars and other instruments made of environmentally protected materials are worried the authorities may be coming for them next.

If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—not to mention face fines and prosecution"


They arent taking shit. Read the fucking article MORON. Documentation is all that is required.

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:52:12 AM   
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You are an idiot

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Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument.


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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:53:56 AM   
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If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—not to mention face fines and prosecuti

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RE: Enviro-Nazis Raid Guitar Shop - 8/26/2011 7:55:35 AM   
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