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Fightdirecto -> East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 12:36:29 AM)

If the personal property (house, car, etc.) or the town/city of a Tea Partier is destroyed due to Hurricane Irene, how many of them will stand on principle and refuse any and all assistance from the evil Federal government?




tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 12:37:55 AM)

Not a single one of them.




StrangerThan -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 1:18:04 AM)

I'd call my insurance company, pretty much the same way I did when the tornadoes went through. Then again, I'm not a member of the Tea Party. You folks sure as fuck make me want to go join though.

Do you have a question about the hurricane that isn't sycophantically rammed up a democrats ass? If so, you can ask that too.




tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 1:49:36 AM)

And if insurance companies refuse to pay as they did after Katrina?




StrangerThan -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 3:01:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And if insurance companies refuse to pay as they did after Katrina?


Taz, about the only assistance I've taken from the federal government was the GI bill, a veteran's home loan when I was 30, and maybe 5 weeks of unemployment between leaving the military and starting school. As far as the insurance companies go, they set up what was essentially a triage area here after the tornadoes. We have two years to file claims. I had a car damaged by hail. I drove it over. They assessed it. I had the check in hand 3 days later.

A few years ago when a trio of hurricanes came up through the panhandle/LA border area and came across the mountains, I had something like 37 inches of rain in a 3-4 week period, virtually all of it in few separate days. This was Jeanne, Ike, and Charlie I think, though don't hold me to a fire on the names. Ike dumped something like 12 inches in 12 hours maybe. It was horrendous. Charlie, I can't remember, but the worst was Jeanne. She just sorta stalled for a few days and rain poured from the heavens.

In mountains, you can associate that with flooding of Biblical proportions. I lived on the edge of the Pisgah National Forest then, actually in the shadow of Mount Pisgah - if anyone knows where that is. I had two roads in, one across the Blue Ridge Parkway which was closed. The other across a tiny bridge built in something like 1910. When I say tiny, I mean tiny. You could squeeze two cars across it at the same time if you went slow. Most folks just waited if someone was crossing until the bridge was clear. The thing sat maybe 4 feet above the creek that ran underneath. After about 2 inches of rain, the thing was covered.

The rain was so heavy that part of the hillside next to me slid off into a pasture directly in front of the house. I thought we were having an earthquake. My house escaped most of the flooding. I had some but nothing like many folks around there did. Escape was impossible. Even if the bridge had been passable, I had a 100 yard wide white water river behind the house where no river had previously existed, and another in front with the eddies and waves lapping at the foundation.

The National Guard air dropped supplies for a week. I saw them going over and heard from some of the people further up the valley they were getting them, but I never made the trip. I spent the time without power, without water, doing cleanup and taking care of my dogs. Now I say, without power and water, but I did have emergency supplies that mostly came from the fact that I spent a lot of time in the mountains camping then. So I had ways to cook, a box I'd built for my boat wherein I could set the boat battery that had several DC plugs on the outside. From the boat, I took the vhs radio, a weather radio, and some lights. The vhs radio was useless. Honestly, I can't say that as I never really tried to use it. I mostly hooked up the lighting to plug I could run in one of the dc receptacles, and used the radio for both weather and outside news.

The boat also had a water tank I'd installed for longer trips - sailboat. I used to sail it up the coast either from Charleston or put in somewhere on the Pamilico  Sound and sail it over to the outlying islands off NC that you can't get to by ferry or bridge. It held 6 gallons I think. I had another 5 gallon jug I'd filled once the flooding started. If I'd needed to, I could have hiked up into the national forest as there were plenty of springs, creeks and the like that were not affected by run off. I didn't need to though. A neighbor had a generator he used to power his well and run a few things in his house. Several of us ended up carting gas up to run the thing when we needed water.

Once the water subsided, a lot of folks tried to get assistance. A great many of them were turned down or left to languish. A local radio station started a drive for different things - like tree removal. So many trees were down the place looked like a bomb had gone off. One of the other drives it started however was for house raising. Some people donated money. Some donated time and ability. A good many of us worked in our local neighborhoods to clear roads, trees, do clean up, provide food, and work on the houses that needed work.

When it came to government, the state had what they called a rainy day fund. Nice, almost ironic name there wasn't it? None of it came to the flood ravaged section of the state. At least, none that I heard of. What I heard were local radio and TV stations raising hell about it. Maybe some eventually did. I don't know. FEMA came in, but FEMA money was incredibly slow and came in dribbles. Flood damage isn't covered by most insurance policies unless you pay extra for it. The people that hadn't, and whose house had been damaged or outright destroyed were left to the mercy of neighbors. I'm sure FEMA can dig up some shiny statistics, but honestly, I didn't know anyone who benefited from state or federal programs in that sense. Mostly what I saw were neighborhoods banding together and doing a good bit of the work themselves.

I'd imagine a good many of them would still be waiting if they waited on the government. Having said that, I'm quite sure the state would be all over getting federal money.


Edited to add, this is a shitty topic and a shitty post in a time when people may be dying or losing everything they own. I have a daughter not far from the coast of NC who stayed because her husband works the shelters during emergencies. That's where they're planning on spending their weekend.

I guess it's like one vaunted liberal noted not long ago though isn't it? Never let a disaster go to waste.




tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 3:56:44 AM)

Stayed in quite a few shelters living on the SC coast. And I don't believe anyone is making light of the storm that is hitting. I do think its a very pertinent question.

As far as FEMA, it was a well run organization when Hugo hit. What happened with Katrina, I wont get in to. I have my own speculations. There was a huge difference between the two storms and how things were handled. Buts it not what this thread is about.

So many can scream that they wont take federal money... that the states should handle it all. The states just don't have the funds to handle such a disaster.

So, will they accept federal funds for this storm?




StrangerThan -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 4:40:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Stayed in quite a few shelters living on the SC coast. And I don't believe anyone is making light of the storm that is hitting. I do think its a very pertinent question.

As far as FEMA, it was a well run organization when Hugo hit. What happened with Katrina, I wont get in to. I have my own speculations. There was a huge difference between the two storms and how things were handled. Buts it not what this thread is about.

So many can scream that they wont take federal money... that the states should handle it all. The states just don't have the funds to handle such a disaster.

So, will they accept federal funds for this storm?


Well, now, I don't know. But given the absolute INSANITY of the left over such things where wanting the size of government trimmed equates to never accepting a dime of federal dollars they paid in, I'll make the request of the governor myself, personally, if that will help in your rhetoric.

There are 65 million people potentially at risk in this storm. This bullshit topic basically says, if you want government cut, then leave all the money for the more liberal states, but we'll certainly take your dollars. Yuk Yuk.

To put that in a clearer nutshell, it's the leftist equivalent of taxation with no representation applied from a rhetorical and asinine stance wherein anyone who doesn't want the government involved in every facet of life is hypocritical when real disaster hits.







StrangerThan -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 5:23:52 AM)

Link to pictures from the area during the flooding mentioned above.

http://news.webshots.com/album/187776362itGcnv




Louve00 -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 5:56:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

I'd call my insurance company, pretty much the same way I did when the tornadoes went through. Then again, I'm not a member of the Tea Party. You folks sure as fuck make me want to go join though.

Do you have a question about the hurricane that isn't sycophantically rammed up a democrats ass? If so, you can ask that too.



Ahhh, but you see....Hurricane insurance, just like flood insurance is an additional rider/clause/coverage that you have to already be paying for at the time of the disaster.  So unless you bought HO insurance with hurricane insurance you're covered........after your $5000 deductible, that is.  That was fully and completely explained to me at the time of buying my house and because of my location, it was suggested I purchase it, so did. 




StrangerThan -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 7:00:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

quote:

ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

I'd call my insurance company, pretty much the same way I did when the tornadoes went through. Then again, I'm not a member of the Tea Party. You folks sure as fuck make me want to go join though.

Do you have a question about the hurricane that isn't sycophantically rammed up a democrats ass? If so, you can ask that too.



Ahhh, but you see....Hurricane insurance, just like flood insurance is an additional rider/clause/coverage that you have to already be paying for at the time of the disaster.  So unless you bought HO insurance with hurricane insurance you're covered........after your $5000 deductible, that is.  That was fully and completely explained to me at the time of buying my house and because of my location, it was suggested I purchase it, so did. 


Ahhh, so you would also call your insurance company?  And it was suggested to you? And you chose to put yourself in a situation where you could call them?

Exactly.




Louve00 -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 8:01:53 AM)

Ummm....purchasing insurance to protect what is yours makes me an insurance company?  (Since when???)   And yes, living in Florida, I was advised to buy hurricane insurance or my property...my investment...would not be covered if damages occurred as a result of a hurricane.  So yes, I chose to insure my property and put myself in a position to call the insurance company I pay for that coverage to help me if I should ever need that kind of help.  Are you confusing that with the gov't somehow??

I am not sure what "exactly" is your point.

**edited to add that I misread your reply to me and thought you were implying that because I thought better to insure myself in a part of this country that is prone to hurricane damage, that somehow it made me an insurance person.  I apologize to you for the misunderstanding.  The rest is true.  It was suggested.  Both I and my husband considered it and deemed it a wise investment, so put ourselves in a position to insure our home. 

(Sorry again, if I misunderstood you!!)  [sm=smile.gif]




Iamsemisweet -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 8:06:26 AM)

Those pictures are horrendous, stranger,
It is sad that this country has reached a point where every discussion is partisan. Doesn't make me want to join the Tea Party, it makes me want to leave the country.




farglebargle -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 8:19:16 AM)

Too bad the National Guard is busy somewhere else....




TheDomInTheHat -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 8:21:27 AM)

It's also worth noting that Flood Insurance is  subsidized by the Federal government. Otherwise flood insurance would be unaffordable to almost anyone in a flood prone area and in fact flood insurance was not widely available commercially until the Federal government offered it. As it stands now, its mostly a longstanding problem that people don't realize floods are not covered by their homeowners policies and they need a flood policy. Also flood insurance only covers the property owner and is only required for flood-prone properties with a mortgage so renters and senior citizens who have paid off their mortgage are most likely to be not covered and then dependent on disaster relief money.




Lucylastic -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 8:23:15 AM)

anyone who wants to make this potential catastrophe partisan is way out of fucking line.
Fuck, how ignorant




TheHeretic -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 8:50:44 AM)

About par for the course, Lucy.




Sanity -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 9:07:27 AM)


The federal government also uses that as an excuse to dictate where citizens may or may not build on their own property

There was a case around here recently that the federal flood plain guesstimates were arbitrarily expanded thus destroying millions in property value

But magically, with enough cash for lawyers it turned out that flooding wasnt really a problem in that area after all

Any time there is federal involvement there is an erosion of rights

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ORIGINAL: TheDomInTheHat

It's also worth noting that Flood Insurance is  subsidized by the Federal government. Otherwise flood insurance would be unaffordable to almost anyone in a flood prone area and in fact flood insurance was not widely available commercially until the Federal government offered it. As it stands now, its mostly a longstanding problem that people don't realize floods are not covered by their homeowners policies and they need a flood policy. Also flood insurance only covers the property owner and is only required for flood-prone properties with a mortgage so renters and senior citizens who have paid off their mortgage are most likely to be not covered and then dependent on disaster relief money.





Iamsemisweet -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 9:14:29 AM)

You hate the government,Sanity. Why do you even want to live in this country?




Sanity -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 9:25:59 AM)


I hate excessive government, semi.

Why dont you leave, go to Cuba or North Korea to a little peoples paradise where government dictates every aspect of your life

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

You hate the government,Sanity. Why do you even want to live in this country?




subrob1967 -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 9:35:27 AM)

FR
Using good ole FD's logic, I guess every Liberal is just waiting on their knees for the government "cheese". Even the ones who aren't affected by the storm.

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