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Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 7:34:57 AM   
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Great Forbes article

Best line -

Obama himself said, “…that after three years, if the economy wasn’t fixed he should be a one-term president.”

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Obama's Legacy: A Failed Recovery & Double-Dip Recession

There will be no significant recovery in the United States of America while Barack Obama is President.  The evidence is overwhelming:  everything Obama has tried to fuel a recovery (with his Democratic allies in Congress) has failed.  Statistics claiming jobs saved by the stimulus package were mostly fiction, and cost American taxpayers about $275,000 each.  Nearly 2-1/2 million fewer Americans have jobs than before the stimulus.

Barack Obama has been President for 30 months—2-1/2 years. He spent the first year obsessed with passing Obamacare, a program that doesn’t create jobs, but might destroy a lot of them.  He “bailed out” GM, but many believe that his interference didn’t save GM; it merely cost taxpayers an extra $15-20 billion, and stole from legitimate investors to buy off the UAW.  His broken campaign promises are too numerous to list.  At some point, his statute of limitations on blaming Bush runs out.  The latest joke is that the White House is that named the location of East Coast earthquake near DC “Bush’s Fault.”

Obama himself said, “…that after three years, if the economy wasn’t fixed he should be a one-term president.” Clearly the economic malaise started on George W. Bush’s watch.  Its causes will be argued for decades, but most of them are traceable to irresponsible lending and excessive spending— both by government and the American people.  The trouble that started before 2008 is directly traceable to actions (or inactions) of Bush and GOP allies in Congress.  They spent America into the start of the current deficit during his eight years in the White House.

But that was then, and this is now. Since Obama took office the situation has gotten much, much worse.



Full article here



Theres also this little tidbit:

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AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

WASHINGTON (AP) — Whites and women are a re-election problem for President Barack Obama. Younger voters and liberals, too, but to a lesser extent.

All are important Democratic constituencies that helped him win the White House in 2008 and whose support he'll need to keep it next year.An analysis of Associated Press-GfK polls, including the latest survey released last week, shows that Obama has lost ground among all those groups since he took office. The review points to his vulnerabilities and probable leading targets of his campaign as he seeks to assemble a coalition diverse enough to help him win re-election in tough economic times.

In his victory over Arizona Sen. John McCain, Obama cobbled together a base of support from across the political spectrum by wooing Democratic loyalists as well as independents and first-time voters.

This time, Obama's team is working to build voter outreach organizations and reconnect with supporters in hopes of expanding his pool of voters.It's no easy task.

The nation's high unemployment is weighing on Obama, dragging down his marks for handling the economy. His overall standing has slid, too, after a difficult summer marked by contentious negotiations over the country's borrowing limit, a downgrade of the nation's credit rating and concerns about the U.S. falling into another economic recession.

The poll shows that 46 percent now approve of how he's doing his job, down from 52 percent in June.Obama will have to win over people such as Brian Arnold, 33, of Pickerington, Ohio. He's an independent who voted for Obama in 2008 because he liked the Democrat's outsider image.

Now, Arnold says he's undecided and down on Obama. "He got elected, it was a big party and after that he went back to being a politician. As soon as he got in office, he just did more of the same."

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 8:03:30 AM   
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http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/summary.php

(numbers do not bear out the tidbit (even subtracting DNC money, or adding RNC money comparisons), looks like frenetic pudpounding)

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/07/obamas-2012-war-chest-86-million-and-counting
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2747819/posts


And of course the pathetic futility of the first one is plainly shown by you, a one liner, (at most a three liner) and the rest about how W was the cause of it.

So, where are the solutions?



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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 10:35:33 AM   
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October 9, 2007 to March 9, 2009

NASDAQ -1543 Change-54.9%

S&P 500 -886 Change -56.6%

Dow Jones -7657 Change-53.9%

Yep, the economy is much worse now.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 11:03:28 AM   
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quote:

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October 9, 2007 to March 9, 2009

NASDAQ -1543 Change-54.9%

S&P 500 -886 Change -56.6%

Dow Jones -7657 Change-53.9%

Yep, the economy is much worse now.


The stock market isnt the economy, and yes, it is much worse now.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 11:16:50 AM   
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Worse for who? Labor is indeed part of the ecomony. The stock market is part of the economy, the lending rates are part of the economy.

But, tell me, willbe, what are your indicators for a "good" economy?

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 11:18:28 AM   
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Worse for who? Labor is indeed part of the ecomony.

But, tell me, willbe, what are your indicators for a "good" economy?


GDP growth and unemployment, obv.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 11:18:40 AM   
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From Drudge...


JOBS PLAN COMING -- NEXT WEEK


Right after a few more rounds of  golf 


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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 11:20:55 AM   
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Yup, drudge is good asswipe.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 11:23:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
October 9, 2007 to March 9, 2009

NASDAQ -1543 Change-54.9%

S&P 500 -886 Change -56.6%

Dow Jones -7657 Change-53.9%

Yep, the economy is much worse now.

The stock market isnt the economy, and yes, it is much worse now.


The unemployment is down, Americans have greater and better access to health care. We eliminated the mastermind of 9/11 (because that event did create a recession).

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Obama himself said, “…that after three years, if the economy wasn’t fixed he should be a one-term president.”


Yes, Mr. Obama believed (foolishly in my book) that Republicans would want to work together, to improve America for all her citizens; and not just the upper rich ones. And since he was elected, Republicans have done anything and everything to undermine the American economy. One only needs to look at the recent budget crisis and which party was stalling all the way up to the Aug. 2nd deadline. But, one can look at the petty arguements and attacks that led up to the passing of the American Affordable Care Act of 2010 for further evidence of 'Republicans wanting to help out their fellow Americans'.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 11:27:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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Worse for who? Labor is indeed part of the ecomony.

But, tell me, willbe, what are your indicators for a "good" economy?


GDP growth and unemployment, obv.



So GDP being 7th globally in 2010 isnt an indicator of a better economy.

2008 GDP for the Year: -.3% (0%, .4%)
Q4 2008 GDP: -8.9% (-6.8%, -5.4%)
Q3 2008 GDP: -3.7% (-4%, -2.7%)
Q2 2008 GDP: 1.3% (.6%, 1.5%)
Q1 2008 GDP: -1.8% (-.7%, No prior revision)

2009 GDP for the Year: -3.5% (-2.9%, -2.4%)
Q4 2009 GDP: 3.8% (5%, 5.6%)
Q3 2009 GDP: 1.6% (Was 2.2%)
Q2 2009 GDP: -.7% (No revision)
Q1 2009 GDP: -6.7% (-4.9%, -6.4%)

2010 GDP for the Year: 3.0% (2.8%)
Q4 2010 GDP: 2.3% (2.8%)
Q3 2010 GDP: 2.5% (2.6%)
Q2 2010 GDP: 3.8% (1.7%)
Q1 2010 GDP: 3.9% (3.7%)

Q1 2011 GDP: .4% (1.9%)

even a 0.4% is better than a -0.3%, or a -3.5%.

Is the economy great? Nope... but even by your indicators, it is better.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 11:28:33 AM   
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Your idea that only Republicans need to "compromise" is worth a laugh or two, sure

But what about that other joke

You know the one

How, two years ago when Dear Leader had his super majority in Congress, he was spending stimulus cash on all his best buds like there was no end to it, and he told the Republicans to shut up and sit in the back of the bus... 

Yeah, you guys are a laugh a minute!


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ORIGINAL: joether
Yes, Mr. Obama believed (foolishly in my book) that Republicans would want to work together, to improve America for all her citizens; and not just the upper rich ones. And since he was elected, Republicans have done anything and everything to undermine the American economy. One only needs to look at the recent budget crisis and which party was stalling all the way up to the Aug. 2nd deadline. But, one can look at the petty arguements and attacks that led up to the passing of the American Affordable Care Act of 2010 for further evidence of 'Republicans wanting to help out their fellow Americans'.



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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 11:46:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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Worse for who? Labor is indeed part of the ecomony.

But, tell me, willbe, what are your indicators for a "good" economy?


GDP growth and unemployment, obv.



So GDP being 7th globally in 2010 isnt an indicator of a better economy.

2008 GDP for the Year: -.3% (0%, .4%)
Q4 2008 GDP: -8.9% (-6.8%, -5.4%)
Q3 2008 GDP: -3.7% (-4%, -2.7%)
Q2 2008 GDP: 1.3% (.6%, 1.5%)
Q1 2008 GDP: -1.8% (-.7%, No prior revision)

2009 GDP for the Year: -3.5% (-2.9%, -2.4%)
Q4 2009 GDP: 3.8% (5%, 5.6%)
Q3 2009 GDP: 1.6% (Was 2.2%)
Q2 2009 GDP: -.7% (No revision)
Q1 2009 GDP: -6.7% (-4.9%, -6.4%)

2010 GDP for the Year: 3.0% (2.8%)
Q4 2010 GDP: 2.3% (2.8%)
Q3 2010 GDP: 2.5% (2.6%)
Q2 2010 GDP: 3.8% (1.7%)
Q1 2010 GDP: 3.9% (3.7%)

Q1 2011 GDP: .4% (1.9%)

even a 0.4% is better than a -0.3%, or a -3.5%.

Is the economy great? Nope... but even by your indicators, it is better.


First, you asked about a "good economy", not a "better economy". Second, the 2010 GDP growth wasnt real, it was primarily government spending. Third you seem to have missed "unemployment".

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 12:22:55 PM   
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Unemployment has been discussed in depth, willbe. But, since you wish to see it again...

unemployment more than doubled from the beginning of 2001 to the beginning of 2009... doesnt matter if you look at the U3 numbers or the U6.

From there,Feb 2009 saw a U6 of 15.0, spiked at 17.4 in October of the same year, then down to 16.1 as of July. I still dont see "worse" willbe.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 1:04:31 PM   
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Hmm, what does any president have to do with "GDP?"
That goes up and down based on what businesses and consumers do not by anything "Washington" does.


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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 1:06:55 PM   
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So you are saying the President has nothing to do with the economy... good or bad.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 1:35:26 PM   
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Unemployment has been discussed in depth, willbe. But, since you wish to see it again...

unemployment more than doubled from the beginning of 2001 to the beginning of 2009... doesnt matter if you look at the U3 numbers or the U6.

From there,Feb 2009 saw a U6 of 15.0, spiked at 17.4 in October of the same year, then down to 16.1 as of July. I still dont see "worse" willbe.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp


And I dont see "good" or even marginally better. FACT: The economy sucks and has little hope of material improvement until Obama is out.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 1:36:57 PM   
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Cuz who is going to fix it then and how? You got a house down there thats deer in the headlights, aint nothing fixed until those clowns get flushed down the toilet.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 2:49:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Unemployment has been discussed in depth, willbe. But, since you wish to see it again...

unemployment more than doubled from the beginning of 2001 to the beginning of 2009... doesnt matter if you look at the U3 numbers or the U6.

From there,Feb 2009 saw a U6 of 15.0, spiked at 17.4 in October of the same year, then down to 16.1 as of July. I still dont see "worse" willbe.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp


And I dont see "good" or even marginally better. FACT: The economy sucks and has little hope of material improvement until Obama is out.



Fact : Both of your indicators show improvement, willbe.

A fact that makes Sanity's supposition in his OP moot.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 2:52:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Unemployment has been discussed in depth, willbe. But, since you wish to see it again...

unemployment more than doubled from the beginning of 2001 to the beginning of 2009... doesnt matter if you look at the U3 numbers or the U6.

From there,Feb 2009 saw a U6 of 15.0, spiked at 17.4 in October of the same year, then down to 16.1 as of July. I still dont see "worse" willbe.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp


And I dont see "good" or even marginally better. FACT: The economy sucks and has little hope of material improvement until Obama is out.



Fact : Both of your indicators show improvement, willbe.

A fact that makes Sanity's supposition in his OP moot.


they dont show statistically signficant improvement once you discount GDP for the increase in government spending, which shouldnt be included in the first place.

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RE: Obama's Legacy: - 8/29/2011 2:55:27 PM   
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Before spending....

2008 GDP for the Year: -.3% (0%, .4%)
Q4 2008 GDP: -8.9% (-6.8%, -5.4%)
Q3 2008 GDP: -3.7% (-4%, -2.7%)
Q2 2008 GDP: 1.3% (.6%, 1.5%)
Q1 2008 GDP: -1.8% (-.7%, No prior revision)

Post spending....

2010 GDP for the Year: 3.0% (2.8%)
Q4 2010 GDP: 2.3% (2.8%)
Q3 2010 GDP: 2.5% (2.6%)
Q2 2010 GDP: 3.8% (1.7%)
Q1 2010 GDP: 3.9% (3.7%)

You still havent proven the economy is worse, willbe. Your markers were GDP and unemployment... both are showing an improvement.


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