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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 5:20:00 AM

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That isn't by any means clear to me. The article says that if you hold your phone to the sticker, it takes you to the website. Very similar to other things I have seen where you take a picture, and it takes you to the website. The scenario they described with google wallet, the one about going into the grocery store, was far more extensive. So, is it correct that this technology only "talks" to your smart phone if you hold it up to the sticker?

Yes you have to do something. Ignore the stickers amd guess what? It is like they aren't even there.

That's the key with all of it, don't want it, don't use it. I really odn't want my phone trying to do my grocery shopping.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 5:42:16 AM

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http://wweek.com/portland/article-17888-sticker_shocker.html

Apparently google sent a bunch of stickers to Portland businesses to put on their windows to show they are on Google places. The sticker contains a chip that sends a signal to nearby Smart phones. Portland is evidently the test market for this, as Google starts their launch of Google Wallet. Seems really intrusive to me.

Terrifying.

I'm going to go hide in my closet now.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 5:51:47 AM

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Yes. RFID chips can only transmit an inch or so.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-rfid-tags-could-be-used

You are impressively wrong on so many topics. RFID tags have a wide and growing range.

I was wondering when someone would challenge your ignorant statements. I'm the guy as usual.

Just so you know..there's an internet full of information explaining the ranges including the interactions with numerous materials and outside forces.

Bullshit.

You would need a reader broadcasting a very powerful signal and with a very sensitive receiver to activate an RFID chip and get a response from 30 feet away. The small RFID chip intended for embedding in stuff has no power supply and uses the energy received from the query signal to broadcast its number. RF propagaion intensity is an exercise in the cube square law. While I guess its possible the feds might do something like this at a border crossing there is no way sucha system is going to become common place, it is too expensive and would be a huge drain on the power grid plus that much RF noise would interfere with other technology.

If you have no idea what you're talking about maybe you shouldn't believe every scare article you read on the internet.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 6:15:53 AM

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I have the same concerns. People are getting just a little to used to the idea of being watched and prodded for info for my tastes.

I have to agree with you here.

This is a little off topic, but what I really hate are those grocery store and CVS cards they make you use to get discounts.

They keep track of all that information and I really don't like the idea of people knowing what I am purchasing.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 6:21:18 AM

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Wait until people start chipping their kids. Or do some already ? Probably.

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when my daughter was little I would have welcomed a chip lol. Would have made life easier to keep track of her. Instead a gps on her cell phone worked out well.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 6:33:35 AM

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Bullshit.

Click your heels, Dorothy. All the blustering and grand standing aren't gonna get you home.

Your "can only" statement seemed to dismiss any possibility of danger and imply they were safe.. Which isn't so. They can be read from much greater distances and are, so your comment of "RFID chips can only transmit an inch or so." was irrelevant and only part of the story.. The important part was that they can be read from greater distances..so it's not fear..it's fact.

So your statement was Bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 7:03:17 AM

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Bullshit.

Click your heels, Dorothy. All the blustering and grand standing aren't gonna get you home.

Your "can only" statement seemed to dismiss any possibility of danger and imply they were safe.. Which isn't so. They can be read from much greater distances and are, so your comment of "RFID chips can only transmit an inch or so." was irrelevant and only part of the story.. The important part was that they can be read from greater distances..so it's not fear..it's fact.

So your statement was Bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification

They are safe. They pose no physical danger of any kind.

Even as a privacy matter the concerns are extremely overhyped. The very small very cheap RFID tags are never going to emit a signal detectable from very far away, if you don't understand the cube square law do some research before making wild eyed claims (how's the perpetual motion machine going BTW?).

After doing some checking the Washington state licenses being discussed in that article use a UHF RFID chip readable from up to about 5 meters with a very expensive reader (>$1k). The range for more affordable readers is less than 10cm (ie. about a foot). The chip itself is more expensive than the lower frequency chips most systems are using. To make the any real issue of privacy the readers would need to be everywhere and the chips would need to be cheap enough to put them in everything. These readers and chips are not going to be cheap enough.

But please feel free to pitch a hissy fit and move to Alaska and go off grid.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 8:24:12 AM

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They are safe. They pose no physical danger of any kind.

Even as a privacy matter the concerns are extremely overhyped.

Bullshit... Come back in 5 years and say that you incredibly shortsighted fucker.

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The very small very cheap RFID tags are never going to emit a signal detectable from very far away

Yeah but did you say that in your 'can only' comment. It left out the wide range of other types. Passive, semi-active and active. But see now it's "very far" before it was an inch or so but here's another article.
http://www.trailertrailers.com/RFID-tags.htm

Read down a bit and you'll see their explanation of passive RFID tags and potential distances.

Being that semi-active and active mean less costly readers they are more likely to catch on for a wider variety of uses.

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how's the perpetual motion machine going BTW?

Well since you "asked" I went onto things that were more practical and useful for my trip to Alaska. I built a steam engine out of a weedeater. Next is an ORC generator when I can find the time.

Some do and some talk about doing. Keep talking. At least I'm out experimenting and testing limits while you sit at your computer limiting yourself but then again you seem naturally limited anyway.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 10:33:28 AM

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Google maps seems to be working rather poorly these past weeks. Other sites which use Google maps also seem to be hanging while waiting for a domain called "gstatic."

When it does work, it seems to be a few blocks off in denoting locations of places and addresses. I found an article about a Catholic priest who was warning parishioners not to use Google Maps, because it was sending people to the wrong address: Catholic Priest Advises Engaged Couples: Don’t Use Google Maps

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The Star-Ledger article also mentions a separate-and-recently-corrected Google Maps bug that had people looking for a New Jersey state park ending up in someone’s driveway.

I've also read that GPS on cellphones can be off by as much as a half mile. But that was a few years ago when someone called 911 about a fire and they couldn't pinpoint his exact location. I don't know if the technology has improved since then.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 11:27:21 AM

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They are safe. They pose no physical danger of any kind.

Even as a privacy matter the concerns are extremely overhyped.

Bullshit... Come back in 5 years and say that you incredibly shortsighted fucker.

Been there done that. Remember when everyoe was freaking out over cookies? Notice how we still how we still have our privacy?

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The very small very cheap RFID tags are never going to emit a signal detectable from very far away

Yeah but did you say that in your 'can only' comment. It left out the wide range of other types. Passive, semi-active and active. But see now it's "very far" before it was an inch or so but here's another article.
http://www.trailertrailers.com/RFID-tags.htm

Read down a bit and you'll see their explanation of passive RFID tags and potential distances.

yeah I already knew what they had to say. Maybe you should have read it yourself

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Offers the longest read ranges of up to approximately 3 meters for passive tags and 100 metres for active tags.

The tags we're talking about are pure passive chips.

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Being that semi-active and active mean less costly readers they are more likely to catch on for a wider variety of uses.

Active and semi active requires a battery. That battery makes the RFID tag larger and more expensive and makes it have a imited lifespan. They are used only for very specific purposes. They will never be used in ubiquitous applications.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 11:59:27 AM

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Remember when everyoe was freaking out over cookies? Notice how we still how we still have our privacy?

We do? Oh okay.

No need to continue this because it's painfully evident that you can easily spout technical dumbo jumbo but you have little clue about application.

And as far as reading "it" well I did and it seems you didn't or are willfully ignorant in your delusions.

Maybe refusing to acknowledge what's right in-front of you in type has to do with the person you're arguing with.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 2:56:08 PM

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Maybe refusing to acknowledge what's right in-front of you in type has to do with the person you're arguing with.

Bad idea being insulting again.

Time for a little humiliation.

Remember when I asked about you trying to build a PPD? You failed to evade and obfuscate, as I suspected you would forget to. Now that you have admitted that you were trying to violate the most basic laws of physics I can point out that you still don't even appear to understand that such a thing is impossible.

So you don't understand thermodynamics or RF propogation. Would you care to run your mouth off about some other subject you know nothing about to further prove that all you are is yet another know nothing internet loud mouth?

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 6:33:02 PM

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Now that you have admitted that you were trying to violate the most basic laws of physics I can point out that you still don't even appear to understand that such a thing is impossible.

Show me where I did that liar.

Those "insults" aren't that at all.. They are facts and there's some evidence in that line. You don't have a problem putting words and lies into comments that you say to win..either that or you're such a fucking delusional moron that you actually believe what you say.. If that's the case I couldn't possibly tell you I could humilate you now as you said to me because you couldn't possibly accept the truth as so.

I have NEVER said I was going to break any laws but you were so sure that was what I was saying yet totally too cowardly to bet your supposed convictions.

We've done this dance before and you were tripping over your own feet.

You're the bitch of course. My bitch.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/30/2011 6:57:17 PM

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I want to stay the fuck away from this because two members are really being the biggest assholes possible. I mean my racist shit ain't even this bad.

You tell me how fucking impossible it is to go more than a fucking inch when in stores they have those things on products that if not paid for will activate an alarm when you walk out the front door. You are not within an inch of them.

Who the fuck are you people trying to kid ? We can trust them right ? Right for you, I am not in this.

T^T

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/31/2011 2:50:00 AM

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Now that you have admitted that you were trying to violate the most basic laws of physics I can point out that you still don't even appear to understand that such a thing is impossible.

Show me where I did that liar.

Those "insults" aren't that at all.. They are facts and there's some evidence in that line. You don't have a problem putting words and lies into comments that you say to win..either that or you're such a fucking delusional moron that you actually believe what you say.. If that's the case I couldn't possibly tell you I could humilate you now as you said to me because you couldn't possibly accept the truth as so.

I have NEVER said I was going to break any laws but you were so sure that was what I was saying yet totally too cowardly to bet your supposed convictions.

We've done this dance before and you were tripping over your own feet.

You're the bitch of course. My bitch.

Dumb dumb dumb. I asked you point blank if you had built the perpetual motion machine you had previously tried to dance around whether that was what you were claiming you could do. You answered directly because you had forgotten how important it was to not admit anything. I set you up to expose yourself and was willing to simply have a quiet laugh at your expense until you trotted out the ad hominen, humiliating internet blow hards having long since lost its appeal.

Now you admitted you thought you could break the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Which I will of course be sure to point out every single time you make any claim about your brilliance.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/31/2011 3:00:28 AM

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I have the same concerns. People are getting just a little to used to the idea of being watched and prodded for info for my tastes.

I have to agree with you here.

This is a little off topic, but what I really hate are those grocery store and CVS cards they make you use to get discounts.

They keep track of all that information and I really don't like the idea of people knowing what I am purchasing.

I don't mind them knowing what I'm buying. In grocery stores it seems to translate to coupons tailored to previous purchases. But they always get it wrong. I have yet to get a coupon for something I would actually buy. I guess I don't fit their profiles. ;) Kind of reminds me of e-Harmony. Years ago I filled out their loooong questionnaire, only to be greeted with this blurb about how approximately 20% of applicants don't fit their "complex" profiles and "sorry, we can't help you". Yes, I'm amongst the 20% rejected by e-Harmony. Other than the waste o' time, I'm not too bothered.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/31/2011 6:44:05 AM

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Now you admitted you thought you could break the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Nope..show me where I said that.. see I've asked that of you on multiple occasions and you've yet to respond.. That's because you can't because I haven't. This is what you've done on many encounters. I'm sure your next reply will be no different.

I suppose what you're doing is playing some sort of game, I guess that would be the other option to you being delusional and moronic. I'm betting the latter.

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/31/2011 7:05:21 AM

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I don't mind them knowing what I'm buying.

It's the idea of getting used to being watched that I oppose most but it's also what could potentially happen when people trust technology without questioning it.

I'm a big fan of tech. I love gadgets and computers and am fascinated with tech in general. At one of my homes, people used to drop off old computers and whatnot on my porch instead of the dump and I'd scavenged for parts to build computers and or repair radios and such. I had a whole room of parts stacked to the ceiling. Anyway, when large companies get involved with collecting info on people, it may be a good thing in some ways but the potential for abuse, if tech gets too intrusive, can be seriously problematic.

Don't listen to Ken, he has a habit of misrepresenting small facts like he did and refusing to say he's wrong . Those devices can be read from greater distances than 1" (If you don't believe me then read the articles I presented.. The facts are plain as day..even with the passive ones..) and as the tech for the better ones get lower in cost, so too, will their uses grow..

This reminds me of how they pushed through the electronic voting without much more than a peep about security. Edit: Oh and don't forget about the ole garage door opener thefts that were popular. lol

Trust things like that blindly at your own peril. This article below shows you what a person with a little know-how can do on the cheap and how easy it is to do it. Just a hint.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.05/rfid.html

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/31/2011 7:58:00 AM

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Regardless of how they get the information, I am not comfortable with google knowing anything about me, from then type of coffee I buy, to my whereabouts. It is bad enough for google to know, but what is worse is that they are incapable of keeping the information secure. Here is a link to Enter the Cyber-dragon, an article about hacking into google and other company's computer systems. It is widely believed that the chinese government is doing the hacking. Fucking scary.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/09/chinese-hacking-201109

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RE: Speaking of cyberstalking, google wants to know whe... - 8/31/2011 10:22:20 AM

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Now you admitted you thought you could break the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Nope..show me where I said that.. see I've asked that of you on multiple occasions and you've yet to respond.. That's because you can't because I haven't. This is what you've done on many encounters. I'm sure your next reply will be no different.

I suppose what you're doing is playing some sort of game, I guess that would be the other option to you being delusional and moronic. I'm betting the latter.

So we're back to this nonsense again.

You tried this and I called you on this already. You pretended to be outraged and ran away already. Do we have to do this again?

You could of course state precisely what you thought you could accomplish rather than trying this bullshit again. But keep in mind all the previous BS posts are still on the forum and I'll happily shove them down your throat.

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