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But keep in mind all the previous BS posts are still on the forum and I'll happily shove them down your throat.

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1.The device must either run without input power after being started, rely solely on output power in a positive feedback hookup or 2.measureably produce more energy than is input.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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1.The device must either run without input power after being started, rely solely on output power in a positive feedback hookup or 2.measureably produce more energy than is input.

Here's one of the things you've stated. It does this. Initially, you would add a magnet into an array of other magents (1. Technically it does that except the input power remains magnet repulsion. no law of physics broken... 2 Depends on what you mean by more energy in that out.. strictly speaking no but I explained that magnetic repulsion WAS the energy used so this whole "You said you're breaking a law of physics" shit is a lie and you're evidently too much of an imbecilic asshole to understand what was right in front of you the whole time.

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Any device that satisfies those conditions would violate the Second Law of Thermodyanmics and is flat out impossible.

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In reality to have two magnets repel each other they must first be brought together which requires adding energy to the system.

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No you claimed you were going to break one of the basic laws of physics.

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If you could get any net energy out of such a device then you would be able to use positive feedback to amplify the energy until you had as much as you needed. So if such worked you could power the whole world off it not just some cabin in the woods.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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No you claimed you were going to break one of the basic laws of physics.

Show me specifically or shut up.

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If you could get any net energy out of such a device then you would be able to use positive feedback to amplify the energy until you had as much as you needed. So if such worked you could power the whole world off it not just some cabin in the woods.

So if a form of energy, any amount whatsoever can be extracted from any source then the natural conclusion would be that it could then be scaled up to power the whole world.

Got it.

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Already did.

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Do you have any idea what the word net means?

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Do you have any idea what the word net means?

Yes and you're caught up in your own.

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If any system produces more energy than is put into it,

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If any system produces more energy than is put into it,

I didn't say it did. You continuously misrepresent my meanings. In fact I've said the contrary. This is why I stated it wouldn't be practical and wouldn't run my cabin. You then went on to infer that it got more out than was put in.. At no time have I said it would but you keep reading that I do. I keep telling you that it doesn't break any laws in that way but for some reason you keep going on as if I've said it does.. despite my many statements to the opposite.

It's a simple toy that uses a magnetic field as propulsion which once acted upon by placing a magnet into another magnetic filed will propel said magnet at a certain speed, wrapped in a small coil you could then extract very small amount of power from it that would equal all variables included.

It's not breaking a single law and is only using a natural existing force to it's advantage, much like people have used gravity to their advantage. You can't get anymore basic than those forces.

Edit: Maybe it's your lack of imagination that keeps you from seeing how to make something work.. I don't know and

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Even your 'toy' claim is wrong. Input energy can never ever equal output energy there is always waste in every system. Nice to see you've finally abandoned your previous claim though any progress is welcome at this point.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Even your 'toy' claim is wrong. Input energy can never ever equal output energy there is always waste in every system. Nice to see you've finally abandoned your previous claim though any progress is welcome at this point.

Nope you're just too fucking stooooopid to put the pieces together. I haven't abandoned anything.

amount of power from it that would equal all variables included.

That includes loses you moronic bitch.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

hey, thats like saying you are going to build the first generation refrigerator, even at 35% useable power output to power input, all variables are equal to power in power out.

lets say heat at 20% and inertia at 5% and friction at 10% and entropy at 5% and waste in motion and time and compressor wear and evaporation at 10% we are at 85% and I have missed some variables.

Energy in will equal energy out, its not just a good idea it is the law, but what is needed is energy in = useful energy out, and it aint gonna everneverevernenverever happen.

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If you are no longer claiming that then you have abandoned the claim you previously made.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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If you are no longer claiming that then you have abandoned the claim you previously made.

I've never claimed it in the first place

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1.The device must either run without input power after being started, rely solely on output power in a positive feedback hookup or 2.measureably produce more energy than is input.

Here's one of the things you've stated. It does this.

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God, are you guys STILL at it? You both have perseverance, I will give you that.