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Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category?


Yes, non-Americans should not have to tick "American"
  22% (12)
No, there's an "Other" category if they don't like it
  11% (6)
No, just ban non-Americans from the site
  11% (6)
I'm Asian so I don't care
  1% (1)
Why can't we all just be "Humans"??
  13% (7)
What about those half-black, half-white guys from Star Trek?
  7% (4)
I don't give a fuck
  32% (17)


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Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 6:03:30 AM   
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Ok, this has been discussed before but not for a year so I don't apologise for bringing it up anew.

For those who aren't aware, the ethnicity categories when signing up to CM are:

Caucasian
Asian
Hispanic
Indian
Middle Eastern
Native American
African American
Mixed
Other

The anomoly of the African American category is that black people who aren't Americans must either choose to say that they are, or opt for the rather vague "Other" category.

Now, as you can see from the picture on the left, this isn't a problem that affects me directly, but I still find it odd. I've always felt it so but it was reinforced yetserday when I looked at a new UK user's profile. There was no picture but she had selected "Other". I liked the profile and saved it to my favourites for future reference. When I came back, she had changed the ethnicity marker to "African American". Clearly neither was felt ideal.

Earlier discussions I read didn't really seem to resolve the key issue so I decided to set up a poll to gauge views. The poll is tongue-in-cheek but I think if I were a black British (or Canadian or whatever) person I'd be royally irked. I did chat to one black British member who gave a resigned shrug and said she finally opted for "Other", but wasn't very satisfied by the choices.

It seems that in ensuring that it adopts the correct inclusive term for black Americans, CM has by default EXcluded non-American black people, who must hunt around for the least worst alternative. Maybe it's a legacy of when CM was basically US only. Or perhaps it's simply thoughtlessness - it's amazing how many Americans come over to the UK and refer to black British people as African Americans without even realising what they're saying. (Suddenly I wonder if they go to Africa and refer to black people there as African Americans too.)

So I'd be very interested to hear from non-American black members about how they feel about the categories? Angry? Mildly peeved? Couldn't give a stuff?

While we're on the subject, can anyone explain when it became bad to be "Black"? When I was growing up it was all "Black and proud" and "Black is beautiful". Then it's like some committee decided "Black" was a bad word.

While people have a right to adopt whatever label they prefer, "African American" always struck me as an unsatisfactory one. Like it's suggesting that they're not real Americans. I know you get Irish American, Italian American etc but those labels seem to be used only when necessary (As in "So what are your family origins?") and not as generically or universally as African American. Most white Americans seem happy to be just Americans, and describe themselves as white only when a physical description is called for.

PS: I think signing up to CM is the only time I've ever described myself as "Caucasian". It's ironic that the "correct" term for white people is one which is almost never used in informal discourse while the one for black Americans is one that is almost obligatory.

PPS: I remember seeing a documentary a few years ago in which an African American academic noted the ever changing labels (Negro > Coloured > Black > African American) and suggested that the search for the "right" term hadn't ended. She predicted that "Nubian" would be next in line.
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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 8:02:30 AM   
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i want to complain about the answer options in your poll, there's no choice for "i don't give a fuck"


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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 8:16:06 AM   
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I'd guess non-American Blacks would select "Other."  The site is run in the US so the thinking when putting up those options was probably limited to US residence, but who knows.

Peeved?  I don't personally understand being peeved - it's a FREE site with great services, and they do the best they can. I do not believe there is an intent to leave non-American Blacks out.  If you feel otherwise, you should contact the site administrators.

For what it's worth, I spent a lifetime being annoyed at the "Hispanic" option.  My background is Spanish from Spain.  But Spain classifies as "European" or "Caucasian" since there's typically not a "European" category.  If I select "Hispanic" it is automatically assumed I am Central American or South American - most people assume Mexican.  Hispanic, which it implies Spanish, means Central/South American and has never applied to me, so I don't select it.  I either select Caucasian or Other, or on job applications, "Declined to State."

But really, it's not a huge issue.  It's a check box.


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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 8:26:08 AM   
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quote:

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i want to complain about the answer options in your poll, there's no choice for "i don't give a fuck"



Works for me!


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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 9:08:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i want to complain about the answer options in your poll, there's no choice for "i don't give a fuck"



agreed......


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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 9:16:13 AM   
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Yes, it would be nice if they changed it from African-American to just Black - I don't know a single person who's black and would describe themselves that way. The one IRL person who I know who has signed up ended up putting 'Other' and putting a message in...and heard fuck all..as is the way of CM support.

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 9:22:27 AM   
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How about just a character input box and lets people describe their ethnicity their own way if at all.

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:05:16 AM   
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I think users should have the option to select black as well. Althought it seems the site is mainly used by Americans, it also has a big international dimension to it as well. "Other" is far too vague for what would represent a significant portion of users on CM.

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:12:17 AM   
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I only know one person who was born in Africa (Nairobi) that is now an American citizen.

He's not black.

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:12:36 AM   
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I didnt realize it said AA instead of black. Which is goofy to me, because I have friends who self identify as black who are Puerto Rican! Or--actually from AFRICA!

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:19:23 AM   
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I vote for four new categories:

Black - African British
Bleayack - African American
Blick - African Aussie/Kiwi
Bleck - Black South African


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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:22:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I vote for four new categories:

Black - African British
Bleayack - African American
Blick - African Aussie/Kiwi
Bleck - Black South African



Um. How do you say the bolded one, Darling? Not Blaaack?

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:23:52 AM   
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I vote for all non americans to be banned forthwith

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:30:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
Um. How do you say the bolded one, Darling? Not Blaaack?


That's about right.  I think for Americans who've been very well educated it'd just sound like 'black', only with another three or four 'A's in it.

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:37:33 AM   
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You are wise. Marry me now, so I won't get banned, mmkay?

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:40:10 AM   
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OK! 

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:41:03 AM   
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Whew! That was easy!

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:41:59 AM   
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Hah - Paul, I've just remembered the half black half white blokes from Star Trek.  Excellent episode. 

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:43:49 AM   
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Sure, Frank Gorshin. A friend named her cavy Loki after that, he had a bicoloured face. Adorable little guy.

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RE: Should CM have a "Black" ethnicity category? - 9/1/2011 10:45:51 AM   
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Yeah, and he did some Batman action in the day as well. Not bad for a comedian. He did a hell of a Kirk Douglas.

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