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What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 1:08:19 PM   
poolman9276


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As a newcomer dom here (and to the scene in general), I notice so many of the women who identify as subs or slaves checking the option "being caged at all times." I don't get it. What kind of life is that? What's the kick?

I truly have no grasp of this mindset whatsoever. Is it the symbolism more so than the fact? Is it really "at all times?"

Besides, I don't have room in my place for a cage -- will a cupboard do? One of those large animal transport things? Is this the real meaning of "willing to relocate?"

I'm being a bit droll here, but I'd really like to know why so many women want this? And what kind of pleasure is it supposed to give me?




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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 5:12:08 PM   
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From what i understand a cage give a subbie the feeling of security and comfort. That anything "outside" cannot come "inside".
A feeling of helplessness in their situation that they are totally dependant on someone else while inside.
And Yes a LARGE dog cage works great its portable, foldable and fairly cheap
It also comes with a nice base so that if the "mess" they can clean it up afterwards


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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 5:23:40 PM   
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They're really gunna get me this time. Being caged 24/7 seems more like a fantasy life to me. They think they'd love it, until of course they experience it. I've read stories like that. Sure, it seems to be a huge turn on. Could you honestly imagine being in a cage 24/7, only let out when your Master wants you out? Just me opinion though, you're free to flame me now....

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 5:41:26 PM   
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I still need to get my idea for a fetish petting zoo in play. Rows of pets in cages with the well dressed Doms and Dommes drinking martinis on the outside.

I digress though, to the point at hand. There is something that a cage can offer than not even the strongest positionary or body restraints can offer. Complete and absolute objectification. There is no escape from a steel barred cage. You can wiggle your way, or perhaps maneuver around partially with even the best made cuffs and binds...but the cage offers no such release. You are there until you are allowed to come out. Plain and simple. No avoiding it.

I completely agree though that many who have these fantasies aren't going to feel the same way when that cage door locks tight behind them. It's a far different feeling looking out rather than looking in.

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 5:43:04 PM   
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I've never felt the desire to be caged at all much less 24/7 but i have had many e-mails saying that is where i would stay if He were not home, Of course they were "No Thank You" replies then deleted. *grins* i agree with Kinky that some subs feel it is a sense of security and comfort.

Maybe one Master will let their slave out long enough to post on this topic and help U/us out. *smiles*


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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 5:47:27 PM   
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Well let me say caged is not my idea of a good time for any length of time! so if i ever got one that said you would be caged 24/7 i would be like bye bye bubba!

Willing to relocate means you get to pay for the pleasure of moving the sub to you if they are not in the area you live in.

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 8:16:55 PM   
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Ok, my understanding of it.

When I first clicked it, yes I admit it was a fantasy idea. Sounded good, hell alot of it sounded good. When the reality struck me, I was errrrmmm.. uh hm. No thanks? But then I read the books by Ann Rice, well one of them (havent made it to the others yet). Her New Beauty books. (Dont ask me the name off of the top of my head) I think a slave can learn alot from her books. Especially Prince Alexi's story. I think being caged at all times can teach a slave alot, help them achieve the place that supposedly they want. A slave is there for their Master's pleasure, to give and yield to all he wants, to not hold back and ect ect ect. Of course there is alot more to it, but to be a slave and to truly have your world center around your Master I think being caged at all times during training would be perfect. It puts the mind set on your Master, have you pleased him enough to let you out, will he let you out, will he let you out and let you have pleasure... what can you do to make him happy? I think it can put a slave in great head space and teach them to please, to strive to please. I am told that being caged like this can be a very transforming experience.

I dont know if I explained well enough the thoughts that are in my head. (they're new thoughts), but if you've read the Ann Rice book you'll know what I am getting at.

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 8:27:06 PM   
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okay hows this.

I think it could provide great headspace for a slave and give them the truest form of submission.

Which is what i was getting at all along


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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 8:27:07 PM   
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well for me all i would be doing was sitting in a cage in pain. it might get me to focus on some negative things that were not intended. So it isnt for everyone i am sure for short periods of time it might be a good experience but 24/7 nahhhhhhh!

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 8:31:54 PM   
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yes it might not be fun, but it can still achieve the truest form of submission. While you make think negative things, you'd learn to get past them and worry about your Master and what pleasing him.

But of course, this is just my .02 and like assholes everyones got one.

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 8:58:16 PM   
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I have the fantasy (have not done it) of keeping a male sub in a dog cage. I'm quite sure I would not like it in reverse. But, having him in a cage, unable to do anything while I can go ahead and do anything, is fun. Without knowing any fancy bondage knots or gear he would be immobile. The opportunities for mindfuck are pretty limitless. I can think of all sorts of things to poke between the cage wire too, nothing too nasty, just fun (for me).

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/17/2004 10:19:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: afmvdp

I still need to get my idea for a fetish petting zoo in play. Rows of pets in cages with the well dressed Doms and Dommes drinking martinis on the outside.



http://www.zumanity.com/ I havent seen it yet, but I am sure they call it The Human Zoo for a reason.

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/18/2004 7:13:31 AM   
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I agree with the others that this is a fantasy and not reality. I don't know of anyone who actually stays in a cage. I read a journal entry once about a 21 yr old girl who did but that could have been a story only. Personally, I wouldn't stay in a cage no matter how submissive it was. I feel like if I am not good enough to share a bed with my Master then he can take a hike!

< Message edited by sweetpleaser -- 10/18/2004 7:15:38 AM >


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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/18/2004 7:31:06 AM   
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I definately agree that most people I have encountered wouldn't like to be caged on a 24/7 basis, but that doesn't mean that they aren't out there.
I'm still working (slowly) on putting my dungeon together and one of the things I am wanting to do is to convert the closet into a cage. Now, would I keep my slave in there 24/7? Probably not. I Might be inclined to keep her there for a day...drag her out from time to time to tan her ass, then lock her back up. The cage can be used as a
tool for fulfilling one's "Reform School Girls" fantasy, or it can be used for disciplinary purposes. Some slaves just melt at the thought of being locked away until her Master requires her services.

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/18/2004 7:31:32 AM   
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I've been in cages a couple of times, for various reasons, and have enjoyed it. However, I have no desire to stay in one all the time. What would I do all day? If the cage came with enough room to move, a bathroom, computer (and net) access and lots of pillows, then it may be worth doing.

For scenes, it can be good. But living in it day to day? I'd feel life was passing me by.

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/18/2004 10:02:41 AM   
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poolman,

Like every other prop or implement used in a lifestyle relationship, a cage serves it's purpose. Before appreciating what purpose it has, you have to understand the goal of the person who lists it in their profile. The problem with Collarme profiles is that unless the poster goes into more detail in their narrative they are basically just clicking from a list concepts, sensations, or ideas that interest them. There is no way of telling whether it is a true desire, a passion, or a "hey, I'd like to try that". The particular menu item for caging only has the option of 'being kept in a cage at all times'. So anyone with any level of interest in that activity has no choice but to pick that one option.
The easy part of your question; any confining space will do. I have seen anything from the space under the bed, a closet, storage space under steps (our house has this), to wood or even iron and/or steel custom cages (VERY EXPENSIVE). And yes, the large animal transport cages also work.
The "why", as with most "whys" is more complex an answer. I'll address it from my pet theory about a distinction between lifestyle activities; sensation or the physical, versus mental. Think of these two positions as the vertical and horizontal points on a graph. An example of purely physical would be a person who craves a spanking or craves giving a spanking or some other physical sensation purely for the physical sensation of it. They don't involve any role play or costume, they don't need or want anything but the sensation. I image an exclusively on-line relationship as purely mental, excluding for reference purposes self abusers at one end of the keyboard of the other. But I've also witnessed many deep real life D/s relationships that involved little or no physical sensation, involving nothing more then the mind play.
Plotting where a cage falls on the curve, I'd say it's about 1/3 up the line for sensation and 2/3 or higher in the mental. It provides the physical sensations of hearing the door close and lock and knowing you can not control when you'll be let out. It restricts movement which depending on the size and duration can be painful. Long term confinement may also involve eating from bowls or even denied toilet facilities, both on the border between the physical and mental.
How the cage is used in the relationship dictates whether it is punishment or something else. And the same cage can function as both. For example, when beth and I attend our favorite club, I've often but her into a cage as part of the 'aftercare' subsequent to a long involved physical sensation. After holding and comforting her for a while, I may want to socialize. she is often drained and finds safety and peacefulness within the cage, wrapped in a blanket. It's one of the reasons we want one for our home dungeon.
As far as 24/7 goes, no slave, even those such as beth and I who consider ourselves living 24/7, is really USED 24/7. The practical is we exist by rules in force 24/7. The concept is she CAN be used anytime / place I desire. Having a cage always physically present reminds you that it always CAN be used. I would guess that is what people have in mind when they list "being caged at all times".
Mentally and physically the cage can be used in variety of ways, punishment, forced isolation, humiliation, part of pet play, to name a few. Like a flogger in the hands of someone who knows how to use it, it can be painful or soothing.

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And what kind of pleasure is it supposed to give me?


As strange as this may sound to you, not every lifestyle activity is geared for exclusive dom/master pleasure. Successful relationships, vanilla or flavored, never work one sided. There is great power and trust needed to cage somebody. But if you derive no pleasure from that mental concept, don't venture down that path. But I'd challenge it by asking, what direct pleasure do you anticipate getting from using a flogger, clips, whip, paddle or any other prop?

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/18/2004 10:37:42 AM   
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I also have fantasies of being caged but not 24/7 unless it had a golf course and a computer, then i would be happy.

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/18/2004 5:30:16 PM   
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this slave has fantasies about being caged, but not 24/7...my knnes and back couldnt take it




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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/18/2004 6:39:29 PM   
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I suggested that my son gag his wife and put her in a cage, but apparently it isn't his thing either.

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RE: What is the deal with being caged at all times? - 10/18/2004 7:50:18 PM   
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In this house caging is used for punishment. However as Merc and beth suggest, this is by and large a "mind fuck". The girl has a slight case of claustrophobia...so as opposed to the posts You were told of where slaves enjoy or feel nurtured in a cage...thsi girl absolutely abhores the cage. It is generally used here for two reasons...either one she has done something so incredibly offensive as to deserve mentla torture, this helps her realign her place. Or...occasionally it has been used to heighten her belly....umm...make her more sexually aroused. This may seme to be contrary to the above however think of a caged Tiger...they pace, pace pace...they do not like the cage at all...however it heightens their sense of arousal and awareness....for htis girl it has this effect raising the adrenaline...which is coaxed can also realize itself ins exual verocity.

And she also will add it seems next to humanly impossible to be caged 24/7 unless one had a catheter...and at some point one would lose muscle mass...making one less to useless as a sexual object that is for sure.

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