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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 2:52:29 PM

Slavehandsome

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No, its because Bush AND Obama are wrong. This is just one more example of the Change that Obama had promised. No surprise, just another day. Turn the calendar page.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 2:54:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Well, on my car, yes.

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Seen any "Obama" bumperstickers lately?
Me neither.

Ooops...from your signature I misread this as "I chase cars, yes".

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 2:54:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Its about, people need to work so they can eat, provide for their families, and have shelter. Barack Obama believed exactly like you did until the grownups explained things to him, all of this pie-in-the-sky nonsense about green energy and jobs is fluff, it isnt real. He believed all of his own hype until he saw that his policies were bringing the entire world economy tumbling down into disaster

Obama is being forced to get real, as in, Conservatives are all about reality and have been dealing with reality all along. He has been to school but hes still got a lot of summer school remaining. I am not sure that he really cares, but I am sure that he wants another four years, and THATS what this is all about.

Yeah sure...

Paying little on utilities and growing my own food is such a fluffy premise Sanity. Training to install Solar Panels for a stable career, useless. No one needs that shit and I will be glad to pay 200 dollars for electric in Florida heat (or Virginia Frost...)

I'll use a train metaphor once again:

Why do people feel the need to blame the Conductor when the Train and Tracks are ultimately fucked. It is his job to direct the train as best a possible with what they have available.

Obama is no superman and he never claimed he was. Obama is a Dude just like everyone else.

If you or anyone you know really feels the need to eject Obama out of office due to some perceived weakness of character or ineffective policies then actively DO something about it. If you are DOing something about it and it is not working KEEP trying.

If you keep TRYING and succeed perhaps it was supposed to happen.
If you fail, you fail.

On my end I am going to look for the solutions and answers to how and why the tracks are so screwed up objectively.

Apparently it begins with the difference between Working to Consume or Working to Survival.

I cannot afford to randomly consume in excess. I have not been able to since 2007 realistically. All of those companies that depended on disposable income have been without.

Food is expensive anymore and I am tired of the masquerade. Stop pretending 6 or 7 items for 20 dollars is a good deal because last week gas was slightly more expensive and you couldn't purchase that extra pack of mac when it was not on sale.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 2:57:01 PM

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When Sanity says "Its about people needing to work and feed their family" I remind all of you about the corporations' responsibility when it comes to offshoring jobs "about people needing to work and feed their family". Sanity, quit putting your spin on everything.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 4:03:41 PM

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Corporations (employers / jobs) wouldnt need to go away if leftists werent pushing (for one example) the overly burdensome regs addressed in the OP

In other words, leftists push jobs out then bitch about the results of their own actions

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ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome

When Sanity says "Its about people needing to work and feed their family" I remind all of you about the corporations' responsibility when it comes to offshoring jobs "about people needing to work and feed their family". Sanity, quit putting your spin on everything.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 4:15:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Corporations (employers / jobs) wouldnt need to go away if leftists werent pushing (for one example) the overly burdensome regs addressed in the OP

In other words, leftists push jobs out then bitch about the results of their own actions

Do you know that most studies of enviromental regulations have shown they actually increase economic activity due to the jobs created to obey the regulations and less work lost to illness etc.?
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-11-17-for-epa-regulations-cost-predictions-are-overstated

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 4:19:12 PM

Sanity

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Yeah... Im sure rolling blackouts are real conducive to growing jobs...

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Texas power officials say new EPA rule could cause 'emergency events'

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/01/3329885/texas-power-officials-say-epa.html#ixzz1Wq9LJaXP

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Corporations (employers / jobs) wouldnt need to go away if leftists werent pushing (for one example) the overly burdensome regs addressed in the OP

In other words, leftists push jobs out then bitch about the results of their own actions

Do you know that most studies of enviromental regulations have shown they actually increase economic activity due to the jobs created to obey the regulations and less work lost to illness etc.?
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-11-17-for-epa-regulations-cost-predictions-are-overstated

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 4:21:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Yeah... Im sure rolling blackouts are real conducive to growing jobs...

Or it might be possible that the scumbag coal plant operators are lying as usual.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 4:40:08 PM

Sanity

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Fucking businesses

Fucking affordable energy

Who needs it

Cant imagine why Obama caved to those assholes

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Yeah... Im sure rolling blackouts are real conducive to growing jobs...

Or it might be possible that the scumbag coal plant operators are lying as usual.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 6:06:12 PM

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Once again the Republicans and Conservatives have proven they could care less about pollution and the damage to the environment and care a whole hell of a lot about big business donations to the RNC.

Evidently the smog alerts that ALREADY occur in cities means nothing, granted those affected are usually elderly and have lung problems and the smog can and does cause life threatening complications, but who gives a shit about people? Certainly not the Republicans and Conservatives in this country.

If there was any true justice in the Universe, every Republican and Conservative in this country would be blessed with lung diseases that smog makes worse.

And once again you come along with your broad brush and paint everyone as thinking the same. But just out of curiosity, what do you think are the major differences between republicans and conservatives. As to hoping 1/2 the country gets sick. I have come to expect nothing better from you.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 6:30:48 PM

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And once again you come along with your broad brush and paint everyone as thinking the same. But just out of curiosity, what do you think are the major differences between republicans and conservatives. As to hoping 1/2 the country gets sick. I have come to expect nothing better from you.

Actually, it would be poetic justice. You see, if the people that are so dead set to take the power from the EPA and give polluters a free reign to do what they want to the environment should suffer the effects of those actions.

I am sure that you think that it perfectly ok for the elderly to be stuck in their homes because of smog alerts, or the people with chronic lung diseases to suffer the effects of air pollution. Perhaps you like the idea of a child with chronic asthma to NOT be able to enjoy a day in the park because the smog is so bad?

Why should the number who suffer be limited to those who have all the reason in the world to want clean air, should not those who fight against higher standards suffer as well?

Of course, the wealthiest of Republicans and Conservatives would be able to afford health insurance that would not limit the amount of care they receive for those ailments.

The problem is that for years the Republicans and Conservatives have screamed against pollution laws because it hurts business. They do not give a damn about the people that pollution harms, limits or, unfortunately, kills. All that matters is business and the all mighty dollar.

By the way, I also believe that if people who vote against funding for HIV/AIDS research had a family member or they themselves contracted the disease, they would be hell bent to fund the research. Same is true for federal funding for cancer research, it is not much, but every bit helps.

But then, the right really does not care for people, they only worry about what is good for business.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 6:33:55 PM

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"and directed administrator Lisa Jackson to withdraw the proposed regulation to reduce concentrations of ground-level ozone, smog's main ingredient"

That is not true unless they have redefined the word. (definition of smog) Sure you might have a new definition but ozone, N2O and a whole lot of other things are produced in nature. Smog is smoke and fog. Look in an OLD book.

I think we need dirty zones in this country. Zones in which business can thrive, chosen for air currents that carry the pollutants out to sea. Other countries do it, why not us ? Becsause these fucking quislings are determined to shoot us in the foot. We must fight fair while others cheat day in and day out. Fuck you. We need money, do you underfuckingstand ?

Abolish the EPA, get a totally flat tax and that will level the playing field. Then if the US workforce loses, I will accept defeat. Not until then.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 8:19:04 PM

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get a totally flat tax

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 8:57:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Because Bush was right, its far too expensive. Its too disruptive, it goes way too far, and it is disproportionately harmful to American businesses and the economy..

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ORIGINAL: tolovetolaugh

This doesn't mean he disagrees with his former stance, simply that he believes now is not the time.

Yes and we all know that protecting American businesses is far more important than protecting public health.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 10:00:20 PM

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Friday scrapped his administration's controversial plans to tighten smog rules, bowing to the demands of congressional Republicans

Well he does like to bow a lot...

The lefties must L O V E that AP description!

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/2/2011 10:06:30 PM

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Back in the sixties there were a few incidents where polluted rivers spontaneously caught fire, there were reports about drinking water being unsafe, and congress along with the president took action.

Because the voters wanted something done.

Today, metro areas like New York, Chicago, Denver, LA and San Francisco to name a few routinely issue smog alerts, warning people who have lung problems to remain inside, which in many cases, does no good, they are still breathing polluted air.

In California, Democrat and Republican, Liberal and Conservative have worked together to try to pass legislation to make the air cleaner.

Funny thing, big oil and the car companies and Republican law makers killed the original electric car. Incase no one has noticed, the Electric car has made a comeback. Research into zero emission vehicles are being researched, including the Walter Turbine, which burns hydrogen peroxide.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/3/2011 7:41:29 AM

Sanity

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Ya think that maybe, just maybe, business and jobs go hand in hand?

Or that for some strange some reason that absolutely befuddle you and jlf, a lot of people actually value jobs?

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Yes and we all know that protecting American businesses is far more important than protecting public health.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/3/2011 7:45:59 AM

Sanity

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In the cities you mention smog is a local problem, not a national problem

And your Dear Leader has admitted that the proposed regulations go way too far, even by his "green" standards

Everything youve said about conservatives in this thread applies directly to Barack because this is all him, regardless of how you far left economy killing machines try to spin it

Its not that Obowma is REALLY concerned about jobs though, oh no

He is only concerned about one certain job - his own

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Back in the sixties there were a few incidents where polluted rivers spontaneously caught fire, there were reports about drinking water being unsafe, and congress along with the president took action.

Because the voters wanted something done.

Today, metro areas like New York, Chicago, Denver, LA and San Francisco to name a few routinely issue smog alerts, warning people who have lung problems to remain inside, which in many cases, does no good, they are still breathing polluted air.

In California, Democrat and Republican, Liberal and Conservative have worked together to try to pass legislation to make the air cleaner.

Funny thing, big oil and the car companies and Republican law makers killed the original electric car. Incase no one has noticed, the Electric car has made a comeback. Research into zero emission vehicles are being researched, including the Walter Turbine, which burns hydrogen peroxide.

< Message edited by Sanity -- 9/3/2011 7:46:38 AM >

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/3/2011 8:08:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

In the cities you mention smog is a local problem, not a national problem

If we have multiple local problems occurring in separate municipalities that makes it quite the national problem.

Since we are speaking of something like the atmosphere this makes it a Global problem.

gas burned to produce gas that takes gas to a plant (in china?) to process into pliable plastic packaged off (to america?) to another plant...

into electronics,
shipped off to the store, more gas...
used... traded.
More gas...
Sent off to India or back to China... even more gas... energy....
Waste back into all of our lungs.

The great thing is that the plastic in this specific journey is burned right next to a school much causes birth defects and mutations. The E-Waste business typically involves shipping crap back overseas.

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RE: Obama: "Once again, Bush was right, and I was ... - 9/3/2011 8:28:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

If we have multiple local problems occurring in separate municipalities that makes it quite the national problem.

Since we are speaking of something like the atmosphere this makes it a Global problem.

Smog is primarily localized based on topography. At the low levels we have today its far from a global problem.

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