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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/4/2011 12:48:48 PM   
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The NYT is a house organ, with emphasis on the word "organ," for the democrat national committee. They do have a good technology section, though. david pogue is outstanding. Let me sum it up for you. Illegals GOOD. Obama GOD LIKE. Taxes GOOD, especially on the "rich" (anybody with a job). Big Government GREAT; bigger government HEAVEN. Civility GOOD but only to shut up conservatives (leftists can say and do whatever they want with impunity). Pick and choose favorite laws and amendments like #1... ignore the rest, especially #2 and #10. Climate change... NEVER EVER QUESTION THEIR RELIGION! If you question (the heart of the scientific method), you are racists and homophobes.

I might have missed a few, but that pretty well sums it up. And why I find no room for discussion with leftists.

Guess that explains them beating the war drum for invading Iraq.

FR...  When did a democrat yell at Bush during a speech to Congress, as Joe Wilson did?  For that matter, when has any member of the opposing party done that in recent history?

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For clarity

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/10/flashback_democrats_boo_bush_at_2005_state_of_the_union.html

Clinton was also booed.


booing is not the same as a shouted 'you lie' during the speech.


Well ace, why don't you tell me what the Dems are uttering during the mob style reaction to what was the truth? There are plenty of voice saying something in there, but you can't make them out because there are so many.

I know, dk, you want to claim the loss of decorum is unprecedented. Sucks for you that it isn't.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/4/2011 5:30:15 PM   
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One of the problems about governing in a democracy is that it's a messy business. If principles translate to purity, well, that's a problem. Our most idealistic president and conceivably one of the most principled in recent years was Jimmy Carter. Doesn't seem like people remember his administration with fondness. He also did the tough job of paying for Viet Nam with inflation, because there weren't a hell of a lot of options. The seniors screamed, because on a fixed income, they were getting a lot less money. This taught all politicians that if you mess with the seniors, you're out of a job. But democracies are always about compromise.

In terms of the tea party- I don't see how they're fit to govern. There are a lot of competing interests in this country, and just pandering to a relative few leaves the rest of us out in the cold. Not a good idea for a democracy, since you then get a very disengaged electorate- something that's a possibility in the next election.

I don't acknowledge that both parties are equally to blame for the economic mess we're in- there have been enough graphs showing that deficits balloon under Republicans which has the effect of leaving the Democrats hog-tied. Not apportioning blame correctly is one of the reasons we're in this mess.

Anaxagoras- IIRC- one of the problems that I mentioned in that discussion was that spending alone is insufficient- that it has to be done intelligently to get out of a recession or depression. Japan is also a good example, since they did some pretty massive infrastructure spending for bridges between islands, that had little economic effect. I'm getting to believe more and more that the only way out of our current economic mess is a moonshot on replacing fossil fuels- it's the only thing with a large enough market and enough of a challenge to really spur new companies and economic growth.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/4/2011 6:13:45 PM   
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One of the problems about governing in a democracy is that it's a messy business. If principles translate to purity, well, that's a problem. Our most idealistic president and conceivably one of the most principled in recent years was Jimmy Carter. Doesn't seem like people remember his administration with fondness. He also did the tough job of paying for Viet Nam with inflation, because there weren't a hell of a lot of options. The seniors screamed, because on a fixed income, they were getting a lot less money. This taught all politicians that if you mess with the seniors, you're out of a job. But democracies are always about compromise.

In terms of the tea party- I don't see how they're fit to govern. There are a lot of competing interests in this country, and just pandering to a relative few leaves the rest of us out in the cold. Not a good idea for a democracy, since you then get a very disengaged electorate- something that's a possibility in the next election.

I don't acknowledge that both parties are equally to blame for the economic mess we're in- there have been enough graphs showing that deficits balloon under Republicans which has the effect of leaving the Democrats hog-tied. Not apportioning blame correctly is one of the reasons we're in this mess.

Anaxagoras- IIRC- one of the problems that I mentioned in that discussion was that spending alone is insufficient- that it has to be done intelligently to get out of a recession or depression. Japan is also a good example, since they did some pretty massive infrastructure spending for bridges between islands, that had little economic effect. I'm getting to believe more and more that the only way out of our current economic mess is a moonshot on replacing fossil fuels- it's the only thing with a large enough market and enough of a challenge to really spur new companies and economic growth.


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Sam,

I'm not one to bat history back and forth when it comes to who is to blame. You can sit in your easy chair and read it here, all day, all night. Every discussion turns into a they-did-this, but the-other-did-that, and in the end, it's mostly hogwash of using one bad example to justify another. bad example. Looking at the last 18 years, Democrats won, had the Congress, Democrats lost Congress, Republicans won, and had Congress. Republicans lost Congress to Democrats. Democrats won the white house and had Congress. Democrats lost the house.

Somewhere in all those years we signed on to free trade, signed on to opening the doors to a vast sea of credit, signed on to affordable housing that wasn't so affordable, signed on to letting banks run wild, signed on to three military interventions, signed on to.. I can keep going. I can also find Democratic and Republican votes supporting all of it.

Laying all the tripe and bs we've done to ourselves at the foot of one party is intellectual dishonesty. As far as tea party people being fit to govern, you got a ways to go to convince me that Dems or Repubs are fit to govern. Because they are not. Both of them pander to special interest. Both are whores to their fringes. And both adopt automatic and opposing stances when the other mentions something. There is no compromise, no nation building, nothing but the ache to get more elected in order to force one agenda down the others throats.

Like it or not we are where we are because we rode this two-party train wreck. Neither side gives me any desire to get back on board with them, and I damned well won't until they can quit spouting talking points on sound bytes before running back to play business as usual.

Funny, we're on a respect thread. I have none for them.





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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/4/2011 6:36:03 PM   
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Sorry- but having met a few congressman and senators and governors in person- I don't buy your explanation that both parties are equally at fault. If we can't choose between the lesser of two evils- well, then democracy fails. While it's nice to actually vote for someone you like, in practice, we are often voting against someone. I'm lucky in that I actually happen to like my congressman- I think Jim Himes (D) is a good guy. Nor would he have taken on the job if he didn't feel that he had something positive to contribute- he was successful enough in the private sector. Mind you, I wasn't terribly unhappy with his predecessor, Chris Shays (R) for a number of years, and I voted for him before he began voting in lockstep with the Republicans when Bush II was in power.

Also- the track record of Obama having compromised endlessly with the Republicans does not fit with your description that both parties are in thrall to their fringes. The Republicans may be, but the Democrats have largely sold out their base (and many of their principles) to compromise with the Republicans.

When the Republicans levy criticism at the Democrats for passing bills that were effectively crafted by the Republicans- that's just a naked power grab, meaning that the only thing they want is to be in power- and nothing else matters. Let's be clear- what's going on is a train wreck, and it's the Republican party who's got their hand on the throttle and they're fighting off anybody who's trying to put the brakes on.

You don't want to vote for either party? Well, then you're not making the tough choices that being a citizen in a democracy entails. Third party votes make sense when neither party is functional- but this particular train wreck should be laid at the foot of the Republicans and they need to be chastised.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/4/2011 9:56:16 PM   
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From your own link, you choose to take an unqualified number that the author himself disputes by including a poll that almost half the number you want to pick.  What I will grant you is that we don't know the margin of error, assuming 3- 4 percent, what we  have as far as numbers that might vote against him because of skin color runs anywhere from 4 to 12 percent. Gallup asked the question directly and arrived at 5 percent. That implies The actual number your poll represents probably runs on the smaller side of the margin of error.


I was told to back up my statement that Obama was often attacked/criticized/blamed/ect simply because of his skin color.

I did that... with your help no less.

People dislike the man simply because of his color.

Not ALL people.

Not most people.

But enough people to show up in polls with no hestiancy.

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What you have from AP and Sanford are people trying to nail color to the reason Obama might lose. What you're ignoring is that Obama picked up more white vote than any president in the last 30+ years.

You want to tell it all, then damned well tell it all. Don't pick some arbitrary number that supports a bullshit stance where you can imply people don't like him because he's black - when any poll in the nation will tell you people generally like Obama.


Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.

More than a third of all white Democrats and independents -- voters Obama can't win the White House without -- agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.

Such numbers are a harsh dose of reality in a campaign for the history books. Obama, the first black candidate with a serious shot at the presidency, accepted the Democratic nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, a seminal moment for a nation that enshrined slavery in its Constitution.

"There are a lot fewer bigots than there were 50 years ago, but that doesn't mean there's only a few bigots," said Stanford political scientist Paul Sniderman who helped analyze the exhaustive survey.



By fucking god I did tell it all. and with your own survery.

Now, I have made my case that there are many people who do not like Obama simply because of his skin color. Posted about a twit with a promising football career and a scholarship who threw it all away because he saw Obama as a n***** in the WH.

You can slap those rose colored glasses back on your nose, Bud. Truth is, there are many, many bigots in this country. And they have been vocal from day one of that man's candidacy... and even more so after the election. Any trick, scheme or ploy they could use to try and under mind him, they have tried.

To bring it back around.... This is what started it all...


people disrespected Clinton because he lied.

Bush because the people felt they were being lied too again so soon on the heels of Clinton.

Obama is often disrespected simply because of his skin color.

There is a huge difference
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Thank you for helping me prove that.




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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/4/2011 11:01:00 PM   
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Anaxagoras- IIRC- one of the problems that I mentioned in that discussion was that spending alone is insufficient- that it has to be done intelligently to get out of a recession or depression. Japan is also a good example, since they did some pretty massive infrastructure spending for bridges between islands, that had little economic effect. I'm getting to believe more and more that the only way out of our current economic mess is a moonshot on replacing fossil fuels- it's the only thing with a large enough market and enough of a challenge to really spur new companies and economic growth.

Sam, I'm not ideologically opposed to stimulous packages in general. I believe whatever is practical in a given situation leading to the best results is most appropriate but at a time when markets were going into melt-down over debt fears...

Interesting you mention green energy. A well known Irish economist called David McWillians made a documentary advocating investing hugely in green industries to reactivate the markets to create a sort of new bubble, lifting the world out of a recession. Its an interesting albeit weird idea to use the markets for what they are best at for a higher purpose.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 12:44:02 AM   
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What you've proved is that you will use an unsupported number from an unnamed source, and use it as basis to color in the racism box when anyone doesn't like the path Obama takes. You've proven that you'll ignore anything that doesn't line up behind what-ever colored glasses you wear, and that  reality doesn't matter to you in that pursuit.

You mentioned that you thought politics wouldn't be something people would talk to me about in my travels. That is completely false. I heard more ranting over Bush when he was in office than the pundits were doing on the networks. I was asked several times, which side I supported. Never before or since has such a naked question been posed to me by a client. How I usually answered that question was with a vague statement about trying to figure out why we had more troops in a country where Obama was not. It was a safe answer most of the time, given that within 30 seconds of making it, I'd learn from their comments which side they supported.

What I've found since then is that a lot of people across the country supported Obama, and a lot are now disappointed in him. The economy was the largest single issue voters noted as the reason for their vote.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7709852.stm

John McCain's biggest supporting group were white evangelicals, something every other Republican has enjoyed since the platform adopted a favorable stance toward pro-life. If you look at how this election played out in the polls, it is clear that, for the base, they voted along party lines. What is also clear is that Obama made significant advances into many areas that were traditionally Republican. John Kerry garnered a little over 48 percent of the vote during his run. Obama increased that number to 53 percent.

Taking it overall, the election followed trends from election years in the past, with the exception of Obama making a lot of inroads into Republican strongholds. If your numbers are to make sense, then he should have lost the election, not won it.

I'll tell you why Obama is disliked in many cases. First he's a Democrat. In this country, like or dislike follows on the heels of which party you are or aren't. Second, the economy was the largest concern voters identified in 2008. A great many find his leadership lacking and ineffective in that regard. Third, when his supporters tout jobs he has created, they ignore the fact that we've lost many, many more than has been created, and ignore the fact that a good percentage of those jobs leave people under-employed. Fourth we have the ACA, which according to a Kaiser poll, indicates only a third of Americans believe the ACA will help them. The link below has several links to different polls, all of which find that the country is either split on the subject, or where those opposed have a significant edge.

Gallup also notes that employer based health care coverage has been on the decline, dropping nearly 4 percentage points in the last few years.

Obama won with a broad coalition of voters, increasing gains among white voters, gaining virtually all of the black vote, and a large percentage of the hispanic vote. People were ready for hope and change. What they've found him to be is weak and ineffective - something liberals complain about as much as conservatives do.

Here's a bottom line, and prediction for you. If Obama can turn around the economy, he'll win the next election hands down. If people start feeling better about themselves in economic terms, he'll win. If h doesn't, he stands a good chance of losing and it will have nothing to do with his skin color.

But you keep believing a republican.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 12:51:27 AM   
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What you've proved is that you will use an unsupported number from an unnamed source, and use it as basis to color in the racism box when anyone doesn't like the path Obama takes. You've proven that you'll ignore anything that doesn't line up behind what-ever colored glasses you wear, and that  reality doesn't matter to you in that pursuit.


LOL.. hell you are a moron, arent you. I dont like half the paths Obama has taken. So much for your intellectual theory.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 3:06:30 AM   
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Here's a bottom line, and prediction for you. If Obama can turn around the economy, he'll win the next election hands down. If people start feeling better about themselves in economic terms, he'll win. If h doesn't, he stands a good chance of losing and it will have nothing to do with his skin color.


Is this based objectively on the concept that Republicans in office are willing to help the President get the nation back on track for the sake of the American people. Frankly I have issues with the President, but I get the impression he really does want whats right for the nation as a whole. There have been a few times he has voiced his frustration at the whole of Congress being happy with gridlock rather than dealing with problems facing America.

I think part of his style of politics stems from what was learned of 'bipartisanship' of 2000-2004. In those years, Republicans held control of Congress and the White House. They did not seem to really care much about the view points nor the thoughts of Americans that voted for the Democrats. Much of their actions were directed at pushing through bills I considered unhealthy for the country's long term future. The Republicans even considered several times of using the 'nuclear option' to remove opposition from the 'conservative agenda'. An what happened in Congress (not to mention the nation at large)? A deeper division in politics; as some would say a 'polarization' of the two parties. My humble belief is that the President does not want to go down this same road. That he believes that path will lead to the nation's destruction (most likely through a bloody civil war).

So the question should be fairly asked: Who seems more at fault for the problems Americans are facing? Because the side that can convince Americans that the 'other guy' is very responsible for the faults, will get the White House and Congress. And the divide in this country will be even more painfully wider.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 6:00:06 AM   
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After a bit of reflection, I had the following epiphany about Congress. Please forgive me if you've heard it before- I make no claim on originality.

Congress is like a classroom. If all the kids are well behaved and get along, you don't even need a teacher there, the kids will read, do their homework, or doodle. However, put a few rowdy kids in there, and things get a bit raucous. Put more rowdy kids in, and things descend into anarchy in very short order.

I know in a classroom, you can have a single tough cookie in about 30 kids, and you'll be OK. (I did a little substitute teaching years ago.) Put in a second tough cookie, and you've got problems. Three or four- you're done. So if the ratio is about 10% bad actors can ruin a class, maybe the percentage is about the same in Congress.

From my perspective, there's been a triumph of ideology over pragmatism in the Republicans, and they seem to be following Grover Norquists commands slavishly. Note- I tend not to distinguish the tea party from the Republicans, too many of their planks are similar. I'm reminded of the career of Chris Shays who used to vote independently until Bush II got in office- and then pretty much voted in the Republican bloc.

In short- there's some bad apples amongst the Republicans- and they're destroying the party and the country because they've cowed the moderates. Unfortunately, they also seem to be in leadership positions such as Eric Cantor and John Boehner.

Overall, I don't think our democracy is such a bad idea. I do think that there have been a string of bad actors in the game- including some really awful Supreme Court decisions (corporations have the same right to speech as individuals?) that are putting us in a tailspin. But what's worst of all is a pernicious propaganda from the right controlled media that no longer has to present both viewpoints on the same station, has destroyed our newspapers, and has arguably left US citizens more poorly informed than ever. The monopoly of the airwaves by Fox has left too many citizens without viable news alternatives- I suspect that the rabid Congressman who have derailed the Republican party largely come from those districts. Unfortunately, I don't have any data to back it up.

And to Tazzy's point- there may be racism in play, since Congressman don't represent the country as a whole, and we've certainly seen and heard bigoted elected officials in positions of power- how about George Wallace or Strom Thurmond? Particularly racist districts may have elected somebody to throw a monkey wrench into the works, and boy, it seems to be successful.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 6:18:23 AM   
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Here's a bottom line, and prediction for you. If Obama can turn around the economy, he'll win the next election hands down. If people start feeling better about themselves in economic terms, he'll win. If h doesn't, he stands a good chance of losing and it will have nothing to do with his skin color.


Is this based objectively on the concept that Republicans in office are willing to help the President get the nation back on track for the sake of the American people. Frankly I have issues with the President, but I get the impression he really does want whats right for the nation as a whole. There have been a few times he has voiced his frustration at the whole of Congress being happy with gridlock rather than dealing with problems facing America.

I think part of his style of politics stems from what was learned of 'bipartisanship' of 2000-2004. In those years, Republicans held control of Congress and the White House. They did not seem to really care much about the view points nor the thoughts of Americans that voted for the Democrats. Much of their actions were directed at pushing through bills I considered unhealthy for the country's long term future. The Republicans even considered several times of using the 'nuclear option' to remove opposition from the 'conservative agenda'. An what happened in Congress (not to mention the nation at large)? A deeper division in politics; as some would say a 'polarization' of the two parties. My humble belief is that the President does not want to go down this same road. That he believes that path will lead to the nation's destruction (most likely through a bloody civil war).

So the question should be fairly asked: Who seems more at fault for the problems Americans are facing? Because the side that can convince Americans that the 'other guy' is very responsible for the faults, will get the White House and Congress. And the divide in this country will be even more painfully wider.


The problem is joe, both sides can lay blame at the foot of the other. You know that as well as I do. Instigate a forum and the battles will be endless. Listen to the pundits and the same battles will be fought with both side claiming victory.

In my mind there are two huge contributors to us being in the place we are. The first are the free trade agreements. Nothing in my memory did more to gut the economy of manufacturing than that legislation. The second is the loosening of credit that enabled a housing boom that was destined to bust, and opened the doors to a flood of unsecured credit. We can talk about other things if you want, but those two are the heavyweights in the room.

Who is responsible for them? Both sides are. The consequences of both too, were predicted long before they ever occurred. The sea of credit that drove our economy for years has mostly dried up. It's not coming back. Companies are sitting on unprecedented levels of cash. A good bit of it has been moved overseas. We outsource millions of jobs..and the fear among financial folks is that we will adopt a protectionist stance in the coming years.

I'm sure you can tell me how Republicans are all to blame. I equally sure some Republican can tell me Democrats are all to blame. I'm sure both of you can lay graphs and statistics on the table to support your argument. I'm sure because for the last 12 years, that's all I've heard, is one side banging on the other. We're very good at assigning blame. We're not so good at moving past it and fixing it, a curious aspect of our existence that is directly attributable to politicians who want to get elected again.

If you want to play the blame game, go right ahead. I'll sit and watch you and others beat each other senseless and establish sides that are so far apart, they will never be able to merge again. I'll listen to you both sling shitty little barbs, and suck the tit of the party you like.

And in the end we'll be no further along the line than when we started. Do I think Republicans will work with Obama? I think yes to a degree. I think they have to. I think how much is going to depend on what he wants to do. Do I think Obama will work with Republicans? To a degree, yes. I think he'll have to. I also think that having been bitch slapped by the tea party during the debt ceiling debate, he won't come out threatening vetos or demanding either.

So it will be interesting to see what he says.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 6:35:43 AM   
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I'm sure you can tell me how Republicans are all to blame.


Never said Republicans were all to blame.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 6:43:37 AM   
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So you missed the cracks that were thrown at Bush when he was in office and you must have missed the ones thrown at Clinton before him. Personally I can't think of a president who wasn't disrespected by the opposite party before this. But if Obama thinks people are being mean to him, maybe he should join Sarah in Alaska. They can sit around eating moose and compairing notes on all the terrible things people say about them.


people disrespected Clinton because he lied.

Bush because the people felt they were being lied too again so soon on the heels of Clinton.

Obama is often disrespected simply because of his skin color.

There is a huge difference.


Some people disrespected Clinton because he lied. Others did it because he was a democrat and they hated democrats. Some people disrespected Bush because he lied and others did it because he was a republican. Now we have Obama and some people will disrespect him because they are racist asshats. Then there will be a lot more who disrespect him because he is not doing what they like and some will disrespect him because he is on the left. No real difference that I can see.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 6:58:01 AM   
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The other two were disrespected due to their own actions or their politics.

Obama due to his politics or his skin color.

If you cant see the difference from what you posted... I really dont know what to tell you.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 7:03:23 AM   
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I'm sure you can tell me how Republicans are all to blame.


Never said Republicans were all to blame.


Nor did I ask you.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 7:04:39 AM   
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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 7:08:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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So you missed the cracks that were thrown at Bush when he was in office and you must have missed the ones thrown at Clinton before him. Personally I can't think of a president who wasn't disrespected by the opposite party before this. But if Obama thinks people are being mean to him, maybe he should join Sarah in Alaska. They can sit around eating moose and compairing notes on all the terrible things people say about them.


people disrespected Clinton because he lied.

Bush because the people felt they were being lied too again so soon on the heels of Clinton.

Obama is often disrespected simply because of his skin color.

There is a huge difference.


Some people disrespected Clinton because he lied. Others did it because he was a democrat and they hated democrats. Some people disrespected Bush because he lied and others did it because he was a republican. Now we have Obama and some people will disrespect him because they are racist asshats. Then there will be a lot more who disrespect him because he is not doing what they like and some will disrespect him because he is on the left. No real difference that I can see.



You might as well talk to the moon. Taz is one of the biggest racists on the boards. It's all she sees. Now we're past often, which was never often in the first place, to one or the other. She's got it nailed bud, cause the one thing it ain't tied to are his actions.

Doesn't matter if he has half the country suing him. Doesn't matter that the employment picture is absolutely dismal.

Nothing matters except what she wants to see, and that is skin color.

Have fun. She'll squirm around that topic all day and all night because she can't see anything else.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 7:11:42 AM   
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roflmfao

Now Im a racist. Gotta love the stretch of your imagination.

It doesnt matter that he is being sued... it doesnt matter that the employment picture is so dismal. Because all the racial undertones were there from the very beginning. Not speaking of now... from the day he decided to run.

But that just isnt convenient for you.

rofl... but Im the racist.... how rich.

Thank you for allowing me to visit your fantasy world... now back to reality.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 7:12:22 AM   
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And yes taz, I said you were a racist. The instant this topic appeared, the question wasn't if you'd show up with skin color the entirety of your game, but when.

It didn't take long.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/5/2011 7:14:40 AM   
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rofl... yeah.... oh boy... you are the jester today, arent ya hun.

You can claim im a racist all day... doesnt bother me in the least.

Personally, you are one of those white folks who like to claim they have black friends just so youcan try and claim you arent racist.

But thats not here nor there.

Fact is... you admitted it... I admitted it.. boi admitted it... some people are just plain racist when they view Obama.

I think you protest too much.

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