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farglebargle -> The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 5:26:41 PM)

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830?print=true

The GOP War on Voting
In a campaign supported by the Koch brothers, Republicans are working to prevent millions of Democrats from voting next year
by: Ari Berman

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Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls. "I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." But since the 2010 election, thanks to a conservative advocacy group founded by Weyrich, the GOP's effort to disrupt voting rights has been more widespread and effective than ever. In a systematic campaign orchestrated by the American Legislative Exchange Council – and funded in part by David and Charles Koch, the billionaire brothers who bankrolled the Tea Party – 38 states introduced legislation this year designed to impede voters at every step of the electoral process.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 5:27:55 PM)

ROFL.



farglebargle -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 5:40:31 PM)

Laugh all you want... I don't see you disproving any of the hypotheses brought up in the article, so I'll just have to assume that's because you are simply unable to rebut them.

Thank you for providing that data point. You're usually pretty up-to-date, so if you HAD been able to disprove the hypotheses, you wouldn't have hesitated.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 6:59:18 PM)

If you cant tell from the silence that nobody gives a fuck about a lefty rags spin then youre even further gone than I thought.



Aylee -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 7:34:22 PM)

Come on, Willbe. Ya know that he is correct. One side wants the illegals and dead people to vote and the other side does not.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 8:12:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Come on, Willbe. Ya know that he is correct. One side wants the illegals and dead people to vote and the other side does not.


Yeah, proving your identity before you can vote...what a facist idea.



Kirata -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 8:26:23 PM)


Thanks fargle. This is obviously a serious situation. I never realized that so many Democratic votes came from anonymous persons-without-identification, non-citizens, and ex-felons.

K.



Kaliko -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 8:31:55 PM)

I have wondered for years, every time I have voted, when I stood there and gave them my name...."How do they know it's really me?"




farglebargle -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 8:40:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Come on, Willbe. Ya know that he is correct. One side wants the illegals and dead people to vote and the other side does not.


Yeah, proving your identity before you can vote...what a facist idea.


I prove my identity JUST FINE right now. The voting rolls have a verified copy of my signature obtained AND VERIFIED at the time of registration.

IF your elections board is doing their job, there should be no phony registrations on the rolls. That's the law. And nothing suggested by you closes that audit gap.

I counter-sign the rolls when I go to vote. Since I'm on the rolls, there's no question of my eligibility.

Is there any authentication better than your signature? I mean, it's such a strong ID factor that it's INCLUDED in pretty much every other form of ID.

And given that the real threat to a secure vote is the inauditable processes used after the vote is cast, why does all this bullshit about Voter Fraud?

But hey, keep picking on the voter and let the people 'counting' the votes get away with their continued crimes...




farglebargle -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 8:43:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I have wondered for years, every time I have voted, when I stood there and gave them my name...."How do they know it's really me?"




In NEW YORK, you countersign the voter's roll which contains the copy of your signature you gave them when you registered.

Your registration itself is independently verified before they accept it.

If your process isn't that secure, ask your elections board why not...



Kaliko -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 8:46:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Come on, Willbe. Ya know that he is correct. One side wants the illegals and dead people to vote and the other side does not.


Yeah, proving your identity before you can vote...what a facist idea.


I prove my identity JUST FINE right now. The voting rolls have a verified copy of my signature obtained AND VERIFIED at the time of registration.

IF your elections board is doing their job, there should be no phony registrations on the rolls. That's the law. And nothing suggested by you closes that audit gap.

I counter-sign the rolls when I go to vote. Since I'm on the rolls, there's no question of my eligibility.

Is there any authentication better than your signature? I mean, it's such a strong ID factor that it's INCLUDED in pretty much every other form of ID.

And given that the real threat to a secure vote is the inauditable processes used after the vote is cast, why does all this bullshit about Voter Fraud?

But hey, keep picking on the voter and let the people 'counting' the votes get away with their continued crimes...




Well, see, now I'm confused. In my state, we don't have to sign. We tell them our name and they check it off that we've entered the voting booth. They do the same when we exit.

But...if you are already appearing in person and signing something to prove who you are...if you already have, essentially, a government ID in that form, then what is the difference to you whether that name and signature appear on a piece of paper that someone else holds or a card that you hold?

I see much more to get upset about if you're not already signing in.



farglebargle -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 8:47:03 PM)

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A major probe by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007 failed to prosecute a single person for going to the polls and impersonating an eligible voter, which the anti-fraud laws are supposedly designed to stop.


Out of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud – and many of the cases involved immigrants and former felons who were simply unaware of their ineligibility. A much-hyped investigation in Wisconsin, meanwhile, led to the prosecution of only .0007 percent of the local electorate for alleged voter fraud. "Our democracy is under siege from an enemy so small it could be hiding anywhere," joked Stephen Colbert.

A 2007 report by the Brennan Center for Justice, a leading advocate for voting rights at the New York University School of Law, quantified the problem in stark terms. "It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning," the report calculated, "than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls."


How much money are the "It's only taxpayer money" Republicans wasting on their little Voter Fraud Witch Hunt?

Maybe you spend some money on closing the real audit items? The back-end processing.



Sanity -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 8:50:08 PM)


The Chicago Democrat machine noticed that same thing years ago, and they began registering dead people and spreading the word...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I have wondered for years, every time I have voted, when I stood there and gave them my name...."How do they know it's really me?"





farglebargle -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 9:01:28 PM)

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Kobach also asserted that dead people were casting ballots, singling out a deceased Kansan named Alfred K. Brewer as one such zombie voter. There was only one problem: Brewer was still very much alive. The Wichita Eagle found him working in his front yard. "I don't think this is heaven," Brewer told the paper. "Not when I'm raking leaves."



Facts. Republicans can't understand them.

However, I away the opportunity to review your evidence to the contrary eagerly.



farglebargle -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 9:03:15 PM)

Remember folks, you're watching a prime example of the Republican Religions' use of claiming to be the victim... Poor, Poor them.....

But just demand they support their claims with facts? And they fold, reduced helplessly to personal attacks, since they've got nothing else.



subrob1967 -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 10:53:32 PM)

Finally, a war we're winning![8|]



joether -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 11:29:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
The Chicago Democrat machine noticed that same thing years ago, and they began registering dead people and spreading the word...
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaliko
I have wondered for years, every time I have voted, when I stood there and gave them my name...."How do they know it's really me?"



An are they STILL doing it in 2011? If 'yes', please provide the burden of evidence here. I want names, locations, addresses, 'the works'. Which will be followed by: "Why have you not given this information to the FBI?"

Never once has anyone challenged me at the voting station. I say who I am and where I live, get my ballot and I'm off to vote. Unlike the communistic red states where one has to show their papers (and violate their 4th Amendment rights), the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has no such retarded laws. If someone wishs to accuse me of not being who I say I am and/or where I live, its up to them to provide the burden of evidence.



tazzygirl -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 11:34:56 PM)

~FR

Seems a silly argument to me. Require an ID to vote. Sweet, simple and to the point.



ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 11:43:14 PM)

So long as a voter's ID is given to everyone for free...

Not everyone drives, and no one should have to pay for the RIGHT to vote.




tazzygirl -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/3/2011 11:50:42 PM)

ID. I didnt say drivers license.



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