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willbeurdaddy -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/5/2011 9:22:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The first time I can recall these tactics were deployed was back in 2000 in Florida. Jeb Bush, the Governor (and brother of Bush the Dumber) systematically went through the rolls striking out lots of voters, who tended to be from minority communities and vote Dem.

In the washout, Bush the Dumber scraped through in Florida by a tiny margin, and clawed his way into the White House. We're all familiar with the succession of disasters that followed that less than happy choice. It seems the lesson isn't lost on the Right and they're out to repeat the process.

Just think what a saner different world we might be enjoying without 8 years of Bush disasters. Does anyone seriously want to go back there?



Compared to now? You must be kidding.




thishereboi -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/6/2011 6:13:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The demographics are against them, they will be on the wrong side of history and wilt if they don't stop minorities and the poor from voting.


Got news for all of you. Those "poor" have photo ID cards. Its a requirement when signing up for any type of benefits from the state. This is an argument that only politicians are having.


I was wondering how long this would go before someone pointed that out. Not that it will stop the naysayers from bleating their bs. But it's nice to see a little sense in this thread. Personally they have been asking me for id every time I vote for quite a while now. It takes less than 30 seconds to flash my id and really isn't a big problem. I am not sure why others feel so strongly against this one.




submittous -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/6/2011 4:58:02 PM)

Nice editing, but the sort of stuff they are doing is getting local laws passed that require things like a street address on the photo ID and/or a phone number etc. Not seeing that there is an ongoing program to get fewer poor, unemployed, homeless etc people voting would be either very naive or just disingenuous.




tazzygirl -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/6/2011 8:59:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: submittous

Nice editing, but the sort of stuff they are doing is getting local laws passed that require things like a street address on the photo ID and/or a phone number etc. Not seeing that there is an ongoing program to get fewer poor, unemployed, homeless etc people voting would be either very naive or just disingenuous.


Voting laws arent local... they are state regulated.

State Rep. Patricia Harless, a Houston Republican who sponsored the voter ID measure in the Texas House of Representatives, said the new law is "just a way to help protect the integrity of in-person voting."

The Texas law bars the use of student identification cards for voting, but allows the use of concealed weapons permits. for that purpose. Harless said information provided on student IDs across the state is inconsistent and few Texans lack driver's licenses and other approved forms of identification.

"Texas, you know, is a big handgun state," she said, "so everybody has almost got a concealed handgun license over 21." Like other states requiring photo IDs, Texas also will provide state-issued IDs to voters who seek them, free of charge.






FirstQuaker -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/8/2011 10:37:16 AM)

The latest little scandal along these lines in Wisconsin is -

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A Wisconsin official has discouraged state workers from volunteering information about free IDs available under a controversial voter identification law that critics complain is designed to suppress votes, a memo leaked on Wednesday showed.

The memo, provided to the press by Democratic State Senator Jon Erpenbach, was likely to fan concerns among critics of the Republican-backed law that it aimed to suppress votes of thousands of otherwise eligible Wisconsin voters.

In the memo, a top aide in the state transportation department told staffers in the motor vehicle department, which is responsible for issuing the free IDs, to "refrain from offering" them to customers who do not specifically ask for them.


and

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Krieser, who confirmed the authenticity of the memo, said he was simply trying to make sure DMV employees honored the intent of lawmakers who passed the law, which does not obligate DMV workers to tell applicants they are entitled to a free ID if they plan to use it to vote.

"The DMV is applying the voter ID law that the legislature provided to it," Krieser told Reuters.

"It says the customer has to request it. So we've taken the strict reading of the statute and that's how we've implemented it. That's all that the memo was getting at."
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Wisconsin official told DMV not to push free voter ID cards

Don't ask, don't tell, I suppose.





tazzygirl -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/8/2011 10:38:34 AM)

lol.. anything to screw people over I suppose.




farglebargle -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/8/2011 5:29:20 PM)

But isn't that the beauty of their tactic. You need an ID to vote, and you can get one for free BUT we're not going to even tell you about it when you're standing at the counter talking to a DMV employee.

Subtle and deniable. The solution is for this story to go far and wide so that everyone hears about it.




Fightdirecto -> RE: The GOP War on Voting (9/8/2011 8:26:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

But isn't that the beauty of their tactic. You need an ID to vote, and you can get one for free BUT we're not going to even tell you about it when you're standing at the counter talking to a DMV employee.

Variation:

Require a specific kind of ID to vote, make the ID free of charge, but only issue them through DMV offices - and then move all the DMV offices out of the cities and put them in the suburbs where they cannot be accessed by public transportation.

For example: Require every voter in New York State to have a special ID to vote, require them to go to a specific state office to get that ID and then place that specific state office in West Almond, New York - a town of 335 people located in the south western part of the state, on the New York/Pennsylvania border, 61 miles south west of Rochester. It has no bus station, no train station and no airport.




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