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Endivius -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 2:58:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Except when you try to spell allways. Pssssttt....he spelled it right....you didn't. psst...I know... it was a joke....[;)]

Rule -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 3:00:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig au contraire, you are almost always wrong. I am? [:-] quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Though I do admit I would enjoy reading the two of you debate cosmology, theogony, & theology. I dunno about that. It is hard for me to read her posts.

Phoenixpower -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 3:01:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery Thats my exact point , i would serve in whatever capacity She wants me to serve Her gratis, for no charge. Yes it costs money i understand that but im not looking for goodies or luxuries as You put in. Do you consider a Domme paying for electricity , She would have to pay for that anyway or gas, She would have to pay for that anyway a luxury and look it if the Tv is such a big encumbrance, money wise , did i ask for a Tv no, so move it out , if it COSTS so much, your favourite word it appears, why do You look at everything in terms of COST there is more to LIFE than money and giving service free of charge is my particular pleasure if the Domme wishes to take me on, im not holding a gun to Her head , im just saying She will need to make provisions if She takes me on, in return i will work my butt off for Her, is that so unreasonable kevin So you believe that cause she would have to pay for electricity or gas anyway, it would be perrrrrrfectly ok to let you live there free of charge as after all, you are serving her...well, I suppose it is a nice thought in theory but in reality it is for most people not realistic. If my ex and I would have moved on from dating in a proper relationship, then yes, it would have reduced my rent bills, but I would still have had to pay rent to him and contribute to the costs of running his house. And to be honest, if I would accomodate someone in my place in the future, I would have the same expectation as quite frankly everyone should be able to live on their own feet and not become completely dependent on another person and quite frankly I don't honour any person enough (might be my downfall) that I would be soooooooooooo grateful to be living with me, that I would accept that there would be no contribution to the costs of living...it is quite frankly normal to pay rent (unless you paid off your mortgage already by yourself) and for me it just looks like taking an easy ride and not only would I not allow that anyone on my costs, nor would I want to ever live on someones elses expense, when it is avoidable. About a year ago I considered to give someone a chance after all, but his lazy attitude to life killed my last consideration which I have had for him as he believed it is perfectly ok when I work around the clock and he can just work his 36 hours a week...having been worried he might get too tired to w*** himself off when he works similar many hours as I did to get our mortgage together...well...I am not carrying any guy through life...either he is man enough to live on equal terms (contributing as much as he can as well) or he is being shown the door...as quite frankly, I prefer to be on my own than to carry through a slacker... Regarding giving service free of charge...to be honest (but yeah, I am not a Domme) I would much prefer to pay a cook or a cleaner where then at least the terms and conditions are clear than to carry through someone through life completely who appears that he isn't keen on working...(according what others said about you and from remembering previous posts from you)...so I would not be impressed to fund someones else's life nor would I want to be dependent on someone else on such a level when it can be avoided....its called dignity and self respect I suppose...

Phoenixpower -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 3:11:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Nevertheless, hopefully she will benefit from my comment, as there does is an issue with the way that she expresses herself. From the way you expressed it, I find that highly unlikely. quote: I am always right. (Well, nearly always.) No, au contraire, you are almost always wrong. Though I do admit I would enjoy reading the two of you debate cosmology, theogony, & theology. adores da pig [:)]

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 3:15:52 PM)
Since it doesn't appear that anyone is jumping at your offer, I guess that is what "She" has decided. Nice work if you can get it, but I don't think you are going to. quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery She can also choose NOT to accept me as Her servant if the COST issue is so insurmountable kevin

Wickad -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 4:17:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ummmmNo quote: ORIGINAL: Endivius quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery Help me out here how does offering services for no strings attached and no requested reward to Women constitute hatred of Women. its so off beam that comment its oxymoronic it really is im sorry but can You fathom sense in connecting offering services to Women to make a Woman's life easier and hatred of Women because i cant kevin Ima give the ladies here a few minutes to see if any of them want to fish through this thread and pull out all the sexist bullshit you've spewed so far. If they don't, I will. I hate hipocrites, they are somewhere between Pedophiles and people who talk during the movie. That would take hours... Maybe days. I don't understand why a misogynist would want to serve women. Maybe it's some type of humiliation kink that I've never heard of. I would have to say it is because his misogyny is based on his own self hatred. He hates that he 'needs' or 'desires' to feel subservient to woman and thus hates women for making it so. It's really a very sad state of being, I would think. It's also why I rarely respond to anything he has to post. He posts the things he does so as to end up the victim of women's scorn, thus reaffirming his beliefs and his own self hatred. It's really very sad. Wickad (who figured the question was rhetorical but had to answer it anyway ;-) )

Killerangel -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 4:29:06 PM)
Kevin, you can keep wailing all you want and throwing your regularly scheduled tantrums that occur on the set subjects that push your buttons, but it will never magically change into having you make sense or be correct. Just for the record, let me add my voice here to the others that have said supporting someone does not mean they are paying nothing for the privilege of having your ass in their home. It costs money to support someone, it is not 'free' to have someone living at your home, end of discussion. You live on your own, you should know this. You are ignoring your everyday life in order to try to convince others here of your point...you can't do it. Give it up. Do you not see the hypocrisy of forever complaining about your sparse money situation and being on public assistance, and how hard it is to keep yourself afloat, and then saying how it costs nothing for someone else to support you? If it costs money to clothe and feed yourself while putting a roof over your head now that you're alone, it'll cost the same amount if you are living somewhere else. The only difference is whose pocket the money is coming out of. Your selective logic is utterly ridiculous and makes you look completely foolish yet again. Also, your logic is flawed, of course, on the concept of doing chores. You want to do laundry, vacuuming, dusting, cooking, changing linens, lawn chores, etc every day. What the heck kind of filthy home require all chores every day? Whose grass grows that fast that they need it cut every day? Who the heck would require vacuuming, dusting, and or changing linens every single day? The few chores that require daily upkeep are dishes and cooking and perhaps something else, but MOST chores are done once a week. So your estimate of what it takes to run a home on a daily basis is hugely inflated by your attempt to convince others that this would be a viable exchange. In the end, asking to exchange normal household labor for a one or two person family, for living expenses, is a very uneven and unfair exchange indeed. It would cost much more to support someone than to pay an outsider to perform daily/weekly tasks. On to the OP. I don't think there is much difference between male or female expectations on what each a person is financially responsible for in a home. People of either gender find responsibility for one's self to be an attractive quality and would reasonably seek that out in a partner. If you were trying to imply that women were out to get cash from the men in their life, I'd have to say that's a big assumption that would true in some cases and not true in others so therefore it is false. I have mainly seen that most people of either gender want someone to be self -sufficient and tend to look for that quality when choosing a partner.

Arpig -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 4:57:27 PM)
quote: psst...I know... it was a joke.... Pssst...I am pretending I knew that....shhhhh.

PeonForHer -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 5:09:36 PM)
FR I have a feeling this has turned into some huge, unwieldy debate about sexism in today's society, economics, etc, etc, etc. Maybe it needn't be. Kevin, I can relate to the 'servant' thing. It gives me the jollies, too. In your position, I think I'd advertise myself as a cleaner. Advertise, I mean. Go self-employed. Give rock-bottom quotes. Find a woman/couple who give you a buzz, and stick with them. Look out for her attitude - you give her a sub vibe, she just may return it with a Domme vibe. Do everything for her, not just cleaning. Offer more than cleaning. Be beyond respectful. Slip in the word 'Ma'am', very quietly, maybe, and see how she takes it. A day job, cash in hand. What's to lose? Adverts in shop windows. What works way, way better, though, is fliers put through doors. I don't think you'll get 'live-in' this way, but I do think you could get something fun, horny and good for the lady too, for a day or more per week. And you'll make a few bob extra. Seriously, I think this is a practical goer. What is there to lose? The price of a thousand slips, printed up, and your traipsing around houses putting your slips through the doors. Honestly: Forget all the theoretical arguments. Really, D/s doesn't make frigging sense at bottom anyway, does it? Where's the logic in it?

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 5:14:58 PM)
Logic?

PeonForHer -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 5:20:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Endivius Your services are not free. Just because there is no monetary exchange between the two of you, does not mean there is not a monetary weight placed on the Domme in question. You are not offering assistance, you are offering services. Big difference in the terms. Here is a link to help you understand the two definitions : http://www.merriam-webster.com/ feel free to better educate yourself. Actually, the words are quite often, correctly, used interchangeably.

PeonForHer -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 5:34:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Logic? Exactly. There isn't any. D/s just isn't logical. We don't do it because it's logical, we do it because it makes us horny. Or we enjoy it, or it satisfies us, in some other way. There aren't any living Goddesses and female supremacy is delusional crap. No man is a worm, he's a man. Me, I'll choose to feel inferior to a woman who I like to feel to be my superior. That's it - that's all it is. I'd say: screw the logic from your system. You want to enjoy D/s? Then just go with the feeling and dump the logic. Wise people know when the best thing for them is to be as stupid as they can possibly be.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 5:35:26 PM)
That's what I meant...I haven't started applying logic to my urges yet!

kalikshama -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 6:04:48 PM)
quote: Maybe it needn't be. Kevin, I can relate to the 'servant' thing. It gives me the jollies, too. In your position, I think I'd advertise myself as a cleaner. Advertise, I mean. Go self-employed. Give rock-bottom quotes. Find a woman/couple who give you a buzz, and stick with them. Look out for her attitude - you give her a sub vibe, she just may return it with a Domme vibe. Do everything for her, not just cleaning. Offer more than cleaning. Be beyond respectful. Slip in the word 'Ma'am', very quietly, maybe, and see how she takes it. Great advice!

rulemylife -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 7:36:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: myrgth quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife And yet another is you have the majority of female dominants on here seeking money in one form or another, and most of them are scammers. I'm sick of it. You talk with someone and try to establish a relationship and 90% of the time it comes down to how much I am willing to "tribute". You don't really understand the question that was posed. How is it that a supposedly dominant woman expects to maintain what you call the traditional roles. Would a man involved with a submissive woman expect her to support him? So explain the double standard to me. I'm very well able to take care of myself, but how can I view a woman as dominant when she is depending on me for financial support? Then why not stroll through the minority or other 10%, as you see it? In addition, go to local events and such to meet real people who live in the lifestyle. Your on line experience is going to be what you make of it. If you keep encountering the same thing over and over then why not change your approach? There may be dominant women who expect or demand more traditional roles but I also know there are some who don't. In the last 10 years, the men I have dated, been in a relationship with or had a casual involvement with have all made less than me. One didn't work at all, but he wasn't sitting idly by or had an expectation that I would be his personal ATM or that I would support him, he simply had lost his job and was between work. I've never cared how much money a man had, however, I do care that he is self sufficient and happy in his chosen area of work. I do know of one couple in which the male dominant does not work, he is retired albeit self sufficient and the female sub is a bit younger and is out in the work force where she brings home quite a bit more than him on a monthly basis. She is an alpha in her career and submissive in her home. She doesn't support him, nor is she expected to. She wouldn't be happy with him if she had to support him totally, he wouldn't be happy with her if she expected to live in the style and comfort she can easily afford if she expected him to provide it. The individual dynamics will vary from couple to couple and there is no 'one way for all'. For many who aren't looking for a free ride, it isn't about what you make as much as that you can be self sufficient. I would agree that it would be difficult for me to understand how someone who didn't have their life in control, couldn't pay their bills, needed to be financially supported could be someone who could lead or control another. So again, why not seek out those who do have their life in order? One doesn't have to be wealthy to live within their means. I know you can't ascertain this with one or two chats on line but at some point it should become apparent and I would hazard a guess that there is a pattern to it. There is definitely a pattern to it, and that pattern is exploiting men for money. I've made it clear to many I have talked to that I am financially able to support myself. But it always comes down to "tribute", sending money on Paypal, or their Amazon wishlist. The problem is there are so few on here who aren't just trying to scam. I would love to meet someone who had their life in order.

LaTigresse -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 7:42:04 PM)
Funny, most women I know from here are NOT after anything on your list. They are simply looking for a s-type that sincerely wants to serve rather than look to get their kinks served by some fantasy woman.......and a man that has their life in order. Apparently they are as rare as hen's teeth.

rulemylife -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 7:46:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ummmmNo quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery washing cleaning, hoovering , dusting, mopping floors, washing car, cleaning yard, cleaning toilets, ironing clothes, gardening and yard work will take more than a couple of hours. You try to be so naive to make me feel bad kevin Kevin, darlin, honey, sweetheart... Stop being dillusional. If you are cleaning EVERYDAY, eventually (unless the Domme is a TOTAL, PURPOSEFUL slob) it would only take a hour or two a day (inside and out). Cooking, may take you four hours total (making her breakfast, something to bring to lunch and a very nice dinner). So, being generous, I am saying that you would work six hours a day. That isn't enough to expect everything else to be handed to you. Again the point keeps getting missed here. Why is it ok for a man to support a woman in that fashion while a woman supporting a man is considered freeloading?

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 7:47:45 PM)
quote: But it always comes down to "tribute", sending money on Paypal, or their Amazon wishlist. Because your profile screams "one dimensional kink-centered HNG!!"

SadisticMs2 -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 7:48:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery Thats my exact point , i would serve in whatever capacity She wants me to serve Her gratis, for no charge. Yes it costs money i understand that but im not looking for goodies or luxuries as You put in. Do you consider a Domme paying for electricity , She would have to pay for that anyway or gas, She would have to pay for that anyway a luxury and look it if the Tv is such a big encumbrance, money wise , did i ask for a Tv no, so move it out , if it COSTS so much, your favourite word it appears, why do You look at everything in terms of COST there is more to LIFE than money and giving service free of charge is my particular pleasure if the Domme wishes to take me on, im not holding a gun to Her head , im just saying She will need to make provisions if She takes me on, in return i will work my butt off for Her, is that so unreasonable kevin If the service you offer is so valuable and you're so skilled as a houseboy.....how come you aren't doing that to earn a living?

LaTigresse -> RE: Big difference between master and mistresses looking for slaves (9/6/2011 7:52:49 PM)
I may be wrong and I am sure if someone is saying otherwise but what I am seeing people say, is that fewer women WANT to support a man than men wanting to support a woman. I think it is a conditioned cultural mindset, nothing more, nothing less. Many men AND women will see a man as being less a man, if he is depending upon a woman for his financial wellbeing. Because of cultural conditioning, it is acceptable, sometimes even desirable, for a man to support a woman financially. Traditional 50's household, etc... Men are handicapping themselves by placing a value on being 'a man' by being able to 'provide' for the little woman. Women buy into that same gig. Voila'! Compatibilitiy!

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