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thompsonx -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 9:21:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


This must be some of that "new tone" that Obama likes to preach to us about



VDH did a great job of discussing this:

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Jimmy Hoffa, in his introduction to Barack Obama, managed to violate almost every liberal commandment on “civility”:

They’ve got a war, they got a war with us and there’s only going to be one winner. It’s going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We’re going to win that war . . . President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let’s take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong.

1) The use of martial imagery: After the Giffords shooting, we were lectured that metaphors like “crosshairs” were inflammatory; but war seems pretty overt.

2) Coded threats: We were lectured that talk radio often uses language tantamount to calling for near insurrection; but by that logic “war,” “army,” and “march” are, again, not an implied but in some sense an overt call to action of some sort (e.g., what does Hoffa mean by his army marching to war?).

3) Profanity: Even talk radio cannot get away with “these son of bitches”; we are back to Reverend Wright’s “God damn America” both in language and in the apparent compliant silence of the hearer Barack Obama.

4) “Take out”: For many Americans, “take out” is popular jargon for assassinate; it was used a lot in the Cold War in the sense of killing some foreign despot. That message probably was not lost on the audience.

5) “Give America back”: A common liberal complaint is that conservative phrases like “take back America” are a sort of charge of treason, as if the liberals in power were not genuinely American. But Hoffa was even more overt. He thinks un-Americans now have America and it has to be forcibly retrieved from these counterfeits by his and Obama’s real Americans.

A growing problem for Barack Obama is Barack Obama. Because he chose to be a sermonizing president, he is bound to practice what he so commonly preaches — otherwise he risks the fate of an Elmer Gantry, or sanctimonious Jimmy Carter. But on a number of topics, he has simply lost all credibility. How can Obama ever again lecture Americans on “civil discourse” and the need for common standards of polite public speech after following Hoffa’s mean-spirited rant and offering him praise? How, after these first family elite vacations to Martha’s Vineyard, Costa del Sol, Vail, etc., can Obama ever again credibly lecture on the dangers of indulgent “millionaires and billionaires,” “corporate jet owners,” “spread the wealth,” and “fat cats” whose lives are so very different from our own? And how — after confessing that his “shovel-ready” $800 billion “stimulus” targeted at “investments” and “infrastructure” in fact “was not as shovel ready as we expected” — can he request to borrow hundreds of additional billions for shovel-ready investments in infrastructure? What has now changed to ensure the next near trillion will be “shovel-ready”?


The rest of his comments: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/276356/credibility-decline-victor-davis-hanson#comments






Wow...that is just soooooo much more vitriolic than coulter,beck or limbaugh???[8|]




farglebargle -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 10:55:35 AM)

Sanity:

You made the initial claim.

I called Bullshit.

Ball is in your court. Support your claim or Shut The Fuck Up, bitch!

But....

Since I like humiliating you so much, I mean, you're just mommy's little disappointment AND the milkman's little accident, and that I am so incredibly superior to you, here's MY supporting evidence.

"HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!"

http://youtu.be/f65xilSDyso?t=2m

Well, since I'm right, that means that you are, once again, proven to be a lying bitch.

How's you like the taste of my creamy load, bitch?

I promise I'll save you from choking by taking it out of your throat. I promise.




Sanity -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 12:18:12 PM)


Of course I love you lucy, why do you think I tease you so much [;)]

I really am looking forward to meeting you btw

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

aw 14 hours, you DO love me




Sanity -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 2:06:40 PM)


Youre just a crazy old troll farg, as far as I am concerned. You marginalize yourself with every post you make because you are so stupid, childish and outrageous, sometimes I read your posts for a laugh sometimes I just ignore them.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Sanity:

You made the initial claim.

I called Bullshit.

Ball is in your court. Support your claim or Shut The Fuck Up, bitch!

But....

Since I like humiliating you so much, I mean, you're just mommy's little disappointment AND the milkman's little accident, and that I am so incredibly superior to you, here's MY supporting evidence.

"HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!"

http://youtu.be/f65xilSDyso?t=2m

Well, since I'm right, that means that you are, once again, proven to be a lying bitch.

How's you like the taste of my creamy load, bitch?

I promise I'll save you from choking by taking it out of your throat. I promise.




Aylee -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 2:15:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Wow...that is just soooooo much more vitriolic than coulter,beck or limbaugh???[8|]


I think that is the first time I have ever heard Dr. Hanson refereed to as vitriolic.

Although since I said that it was a good job discussing it by him, I am not sure of your point.

Or are you once again playing that ask questions / change the topic game while never making a point?

Frankly your attempts at the Socratic method suck.




thompsonx -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 2:25:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Wow...that is just soooooo much more vitriolic than coulter,beck or limbaugh???[8|]


I think that is the first time I have ever heard Dr. Hanson refereed to as vitriolic.

It would appear that you have misread my post...note the question marks and the rolling eyes.

Although since I said that it was a good job discussing it by him, I am not sure of your point.

Obviously

Or are you once again playing that ask questions / change the topic game while never making a point?

Why do you consider it a game for me to ask you a question about one of your statements?

Frankly your attempts at the Socratic method suck.

Opinions are a lot like assholes...everyone has one and everyone feels that theirs works best for them.





farglebargle -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 3:44:37 PM)

Yeah, I *might* be all that.

But I am ALSO correct.

Which is why you have been unable to respond to me, excepting your personal attacks.

Which is fine. Every time you attack me personally, it's because you KNOW YOU CAN'T WIN HONESTLY.

And that's fine to me. And everyone else here. Who sees that you make claims you can't back up. And how you pretend to ignore the post when it really, really nails you to the wall.

You do whatever you're going to do. We're all onto your shit, and will keep punishing you with the truth.

How's my dick taste now, bitch?


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Youre just a crazy old troll farg, as far as I am concerned. You marginalize yourself with every post you make because you are so stupid, childish and outrageous, sometimes I read your posts for a laugh sometimes I just ignore them.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Sanity:

You made the initial claim.

I called Bullshit.

Ball is in your court. Support your claim or Shut The Fuck Up, bitch!

But....

Since I like humiliating you so much, I mean, you're just mommy's little disappointment AND the milkman's little accident, and that I am so incredibly superior to you, here's MY supporting evidence.

"HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!"

http://youtu.be/f65xilSDyso?t=2m

Well, since I'm right, that means that you are, once again, proven to be a lying bitch.

How's you like the taste of my creamy load, bitch?

I promise I'll save you from choking by taking it out of your throat. I promise.






Sanity -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 7:09:43 PM)


Finally you answered the question honestly, although unwittingly

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3837143

Those are Hoffas words in my tagline, with but a few of the names changed  [;)]


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I wrote "now" Lucy

As in, is it acceptable political speech now

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

If I use your definition of what Giffords/ the targets and dont retreat/reload meant? no
in the real world no.. shotting gabrielle giffords was more than speech, it was an act
please use reality under close supervision
at least be truthfull with the actual words spoken
President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march…Everybody here’s got a vote…Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,” he concluded.




No, you asked for a yes or no answer, dont change the goalposts just because I repsonded with more than just the no..
You didnt think it was unacceptable, even when giffords got shot, it was all the fault of a left wing loony, if I remember correctly, would you like me to search back for your comments back then.
You didnt care until it was supposed to have been used against "your side". in hoffas "speech".
Now you are acting all indignant because you believe someone said something, he actually didnt. accept the truth of the actual words he said
You cant have it all ways sugarplums
so
get your indignation balanced, or admit what was said, is nothing like retreat reload, or shooting of a woman.you blamed everyone but Palin at the time with her targets and her words, but now, you wanna cry foul
PS hoffa isnt or never will be a governor of alaska or any state.







Lucylastic -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 7:17:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic



If, as you believe, that your tagline is fine..... and that you have put those words into singular sense, the meaning turns towards BO.... I have to ask if you are seriously advocating taking out the pres? because thats how it reads from here. seriously and Im not looking for a reason to needle you, but you changed the context, and made it more than a little personal... not funny, not a good idea .. seriously
[image]http://www.lucylasticslair.com/advocate.JPG[/image]

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3837143




and you changed it so it doesnt apply and exactly for the same reasons I quoted. Because you realised that it does sound too personal, congratulations on changin it, but bollocks to you for changing it and trying to make out it was me that was in the wrong... YOU CHANGED THE WORDS so it CHANGED what it meant....
stop cross posting you dishonest asshole




Sanity -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 7:20:07 PM)


Those are Hoffas words lucy, I changed them as little as possible. Rearranged the order of names, had to trim it a bit to fit the 255 character limit, but almost word for word what Hoffa said while introducing BO




Lucylastic -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 7:22:48 PM)

and I was warning you how by changing that very important couple of words, you changed the entire meaning to be personal and advocating those specific words, but they were NOT hoffas words they were yours
I was just letting you know in some context you were advocating violence towards the Pres
and the difference
take responsibility for your own dumbarsed ness




Sanity -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 7:27:24 PM)


The only thing that changed in any significant way is how you viewed the words (because of which side you perceived that they were coming from).

Lucy, meet your blind ideological bias. Blind ideological bias, I see that you already know lucy... [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

and I was warning you how by changing that very important couple of words, you changed the entire meaning to be personal and advocating those specific words, but they were NOT hoffas words they were yours
I was just letting you know in some context you were advocating violence towards the Pres
and the difference
take responsibility for your own dumbarsed ness




Lucylastic -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 7:30:42 PM)

I told you why I was telling you, because I am not the only one who could see it...idiot.
YOU made it personal

YOU did what you wanted hoffa to have said




Sanity -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 7:39:53 PM)


Yeah, nice backpedal lucy [:D]

Its good to see you admit that a lot of people can see how BOs buddy was threatening so many Americans, as he introduced BO

Thanks for playing

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I told you why I was telling you, because I am not the only one who could see it...idiot.
YOU made it personal

YOU did what you wanted hoffa to have said




farglebargle -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 8:03:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Those are Hoffas words lucy, I changed them as little as possible. Rearranged the order of names, had to trim it a bit to fit the 255 character limit, but almost word for word what Hoffa said while introducing BO




THESE are Hoffa's words:

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"HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!"


When you stop lying all the time, maybe you can begin to gain enlightenment.




Lucylastic -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/7/2011 9:35:36 PM)

Sanity then why did you take out the words you had in your tag line if I'M the one back pedalling ???







Sanity -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/8/2011 3:56:17 AM)


Didnt take anything out Ms Lovejoy

Changed the "sons-of-bitches" back to plural

But I want to sincerely thank you once again for being so honest, regarding your opinion of Hoffas words, no other leftist was willing to be nearly as frank as you were in condemning them

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Sanity then why did you take out the words you had in your tag line if I'M the one back pedalling ???








Sanity -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/8/2011 4:02:51 AM)


And of course there is nothing wrong with Hoffas words, is there.  [:D]

That tagline though - OH-MY-FUCKING-GAWD!!!!

You leftists are a laugh riot! [sm=lol.gif] Why do you think I keep coming back?

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Those are Hoffas words lucy, I changed them as little as possible. Rearranged the order of names, had to trim it a bit to fit the 255 character limit, but almost word for word what Hoffa said while introducing BO




THESE are Hoffa's words:

quote:


"HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!"


When you stop lying all the time, maybe you can begin to gain enlightenment.




Sanity -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/8/2011 4:34:35 AM)


Thanks for the backup, domitroll. Really appreciate it! [:)]

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
Lucy, if you read what was posted here it (which is accurate) it casts a different light entirey on what was said. Of course you are incapable of finding the truth.

you are an idiot and every post confirms it.

He is clearly talking about voting as the way to "take them out."

So much for hate speech, puppet.





Lucylastic -> RE: Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event (9/8/2011 4:35:02 AM)

I condemned you, I condemned your words because you ran with someone elses and changed it into what YOU wanted people to think it all meant. A bit like wilbur does, you changed it, but ultimately, you changed the meaning.

making it your tagline and then gasp changing it back ONLY after I told you what it looked like
be honest...
now why did you change it back to make it plural??

You have taken all night to come up with your very very poor rationalisation?
now again WHY wont you put back what you said originally???
The context, the placing of words is very important.
you might think you have won something but you havent.
Ill tell you what, if you believe your spinning crap is true I think you should put it back to where it was brave boy.








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