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Sanity -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 10:07:32 AM)


As I wrote previously, I dont tolerate stupid people well, which the way I treat you may be why you have the erroneous impression that I dont tolerate many things...

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Yeah Sanity, you are so well known for your tolerance. [sm=rofl.gif][sm=juggle.gif]





DomYngBlk -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 10:17:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tolovetolaugh

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


PAs point is that the press never comments on black gangs killing whites in racially motivated hate crimes, which he is right about that. Race is never mentioned, but in this piece the Huffpo seems to be trying to not only mention the color of the attackers they (to me) seem to be doing it in a way designed to incite even more racial hatred, animosity and attacks

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ORIGINAL: astraykitty

The reason they labelled them "white teens" is because the nature of the crime was racially motivated you ignorant turd




fuck, show me the proof of those black gangs killing white teens. Anywhere. Doesn't happen. Know why? We know if we kill you that we end up with a needle in our arms pretty quickly.


http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/hatecrimes.html

" New York City. In a Midtown office building, a white woman was assaulted, raped, and anally raped by a black man who called her racist names during the attack. Police refused to label it a hate crime.11"

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Alexandria, Virginia. A black man walking through a neighborhood went over to a white eight-year-old boy playing in his great-grandparents’ front yard and slit the child’s throat, killing him. A witness says that the attacker shouted racial epithets during the attack, and the main suspect in the case owns anti-white hate literature and had written a note about killing white children. He had been previously arrested for attacking an unarmed white stranger with a hammer. (During the attack, he called his victim “Whitey.”)12    This particular case provides a perfect example of the terrible way that anti-white hate crimes are handled. First, the investigators decided not to tell police officers about the racial aspects of the case, even while the police were conducting a manhunt to find the boy’s killer. When this was revealed by the Washington Post, city council member Joyce Woodson defended this withholding of information from the cops on the front line. “What they did was proper. We already live in a racially charged world.” The Democratic mayor of Alexandria implied his agreement: “Efforts to sensationalize this investigation will only hurt this investigation.”13    To make things even stranger, the FBI offered to send agents and a fugitive task force to help with the manhunt, but the local police rejected the offer. They also refused the help of the FBI’s profilers, forensics experts, and others.14    Eventually, the police arrested a suspect who was reportedly tied to the scene by DNA evidence. In another bizarre move, the Justice Department — which had acknowledged that it was monitoring the case — declined to prosecute the killing as a hate crime. The government’s prosecutor in the case cannot charge the victim with a hate crime. “There’s no applicable hate crimes law in Virginia,” he explained.15"

The site is actually filled with examples. I actually hate to agree with certain people I normally just wonder at when I read the forums, but I find it disgusting you cannot seem to rationally discuss race or hate crimes when they are outside what people seem to feel is the norm for them- in other words white on black.

I personally hate hate crime laws. They served a purpose back in the day when there truly was a problem, and needed harsh methods to fix it, but I find that since racism has died down a bit(yes I know its not dead, but there is now actual awareness) they are now making the problem worse, as they do not address anything equally.



I stand corrected. You showed me one. And your point is that racism is over? Then how do you explain this

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-black-and-white-who-lives-who-dies-who-decides#Executive%20Summary




tolovetolaugh -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 10:50:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk


I stand corrected. You showed me one. And your point is that racism is over? Then how do you explain this

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-black-and-white-who-lives-who-dies-who-decides#Executive%20Summary


If true, that is sad and very wrong.
My point was not that racism is gone. It exists. On all sides of a huge ethnicity fence.
Your link there, is it an attempt to reason that hate crime laws are necessary so that more whites who murdered blacks die since they are not sentenced to death otherwise?

I was going to argue that maybe it was because black jurors skipped out, but proved myself wrong when I looked into it.
They do need to fix that a bit.

That was not the point of my post, nor that of the OPs. There are places where racism needs to be looked into. But there are also places where people need to get the chips off their shoulders and consider they are not the only victims out there.
Maybe if the Jesse Jackson party would take some responsibility on their shoulders and speak out against all violence that is racially motivated, instead of picking and choosing like the news stations in politics, it would be taken more seriously by all sides, and resolution could be had.


Since we are bringing up racial points not completely with the post, please explain to me why when you type in "black scholarship" there are over 15 million results, yet if you type in white instead you only get results about the fighting over 1 group offering 4 measly 500.00 scholarships.




tolovetolaugh -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 10:59:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The media certainly tiptoed around this one, which PA has already alluded to

http://www.google.com/search?q=wisconsin+fair+beatings&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

There are more. Google is your friend! [;)]



How did they tiptoe around it?

In every article you linked to it stated very clearly in the headline black teens.

Yet, somehow you and Pahunk manage to find media racism when they were just reporting the facts about white teens.

And you might also want to notice the fact that no one was brutally murdered in the Wisconsin incident.





I am a bit shocked I never heard of this before.

I think the point over this article is that it wasn't majorly reported, nor was there the controversy over the racism involved. As in the Mississippi case is all over,but  this was brushed under the table when you look at it from a national stand point.




DomYngBlk -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:05:08 AM)

Because you are the majority. With the system built for you to win at every turn. The current system is your White Scholarship program....

If true? lol wow

Sure it was the point of the post and yours as well. you some  how feel picked on and think that things are going well for you. You need someone to blame so instead of looking at yourself you need to find someone of color to put the blame on for your own problems. Been done ever since this country was started. you are just prepetuating a grand tradition.




thompsonx -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:08:52 AM)

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Since we are bringing up racial points not completely with the post, please explain to me why when you type in "black scholarship" there are over 15 million results,


Your post seems to imply that there is one scholarship for every three blacks in the u.s.
Is that your premis?




Lucylastic -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:13:09 AM)

Weiss, Murray, et al. (1999). “Cops fume over lousy video of 6th Ave. .” New York Post, Dec. 22.


Davis, Patricia. (2000). “Manhunt in Alexandria for killer of 8-year-old.” Washington Post, April 20; Drake, John & Ellen Sorokin (2000a). “Stabbing probers kept race a secret.” Washington Post, July 12; unsigned. (2000). “The hate crime that wasn’t.” Washington Times, July 12.


Op cit., Drake & Sorokin (2000a); Sorokin, Ellen & John Drake. (2000b). “Boy’s stabbing draws attention about race.” Washington Times, July 13.


Op cit., Drake & Sorokin (2000a).


Rubush, Scott. (2000). “Black hate on trial.” FrontPage Magazine, Oct. 26.


Noel, Peter. (1999). “Bring me the head.” Village Voice, Feb. 3-9.


Stix, Nicholas. (2000). “Remembering the Central Park jogger.” FrontPage Magazine, July 12.


Jacobs, James B. & Kimberly Potter. (1998). Hate Crimes: Criminal Law and Identity Politics. New York: Oxford University Press, pp. 140-2.




no wonder people dont remember these attacks...date 2001.
WHY should this family not sue for what they have suffered, white black yellow or caramel, It was by all accounts a hate crime, so why should colour be left out of the reporting of it, wheres the racism?
by some of the posts it makes it less important?




Hillwilliam -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:13:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Why would I want to check out a lying racist far left rag

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

they have a canadian version, they have a brit version, they have a US version, they have latino voices, they have black voices, they have an opinion section... but ...guesss what..
you dont have to be any of the "descriptions" to read them, GASP
but as you are too lazy to go and check it out...
your problem..
just an FYI
Added to agree with Arpig



Know thy enemy.




thompsonx -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:13:29 AM)

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Been done ever since this country was started. you are just prepetuating a grand tradition.


This country was started in 1789...slavery in n. america began in 1603.
We seem to have quite a long history of this not so "grand tradition".




tolovetolaugh -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:39:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Because you are the majority. With the system built for you to win at every turn. The current system is your White Scholarship program....


Well hot damn, can we call it that than?
No.
Why not?
Because the system affects and advances all colors despite your victimized spin.

http://www.scholarships.com/financial-aid/college-scholarships/scholarships-by-type/minority-scholarships/african-american-scholarships/
See how long it takes you to scroll down the page of scholarships that are not given based on merit, but purely based on race.
Really being brought down there huh.

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If true? lol wow

Truly bipartisan anything is rare these days. Opinions color everything, leaving way for articles to be misrepresented and facts to be placed out of context or not revealed to get the authors point across.

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Sure it was the point of the post and yours as well. you some  how feel picked on and think that things are going well for you. You need someone to blame so instead of looking at yourself you need to find someone of color to put the blame on for your own problems. Been done ever since this country was started. you are just prepetuating a grand tradition.



There is a HELL of a lot more in me and to me then just white, I would appreciate it if you would not try and point me out as the white devil, which I can just see coming up in other words.
The main difference here is that I do not see myself as a victim.
I WILL point out hypocrisy when I see it. See the words in bold.

I myself have no race related problems. I have friends all over almost every spectrum, with my only criteria being that they don't bore me. None of them however try to get their way on things because they are "black" or "gay" or "crippled" or "female".
Pulling any such card, race or not strikes me as incredibly whiny.




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:40:34 AM)

@tolovetolaugh,

I really can't believe that you think that there is no more need for hate crime laws, because, in your words, "racism has died down a bit." Makes me wonder where the fuck you live!! In my world it is alive & well still. People are still killing people for their religious beliefs, the color of their skin, their sexual orientation, etc. These are all hate crimes.

I went to a concert on Monday night where there were thousands of black people & very few whites. For the most part I was treated well, but the 2 ladies sitting next to me wouldn't speak to me, even when I spoke to them. They would speak to my friend who was sitting behind me, however. And when they left, they didn't even look my way, just said bye to my friend. I figured that I'd finally gotten so white that I'd become invisible.

While this isn't necessarily the norm, the racism being so overt, there is still racism rampant in this country. Look at how the illegals coming from Mexico are treated while the white illegals from Canada are nowhere in the media. You must live in a fantasy world. What color is the sky there, anyway????




tolovetolaugh -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:43:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Since we are bringing up racial points not completely with the post, please explain to me why when you type in "black scholarship" there are over 15 million results,


Your post seems to imply that there is one scholarship for every three blacks in the u.s.
Is that your premis?



My premise is that if the opposite was the case it would be a huge deal. And that the one scholarship for white males... is guess what? A big deal.




pahunkboy -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:47:21 AM)

to love,   thank you for posts with substance.    It is refreshing to see that. :-)




pahunkboy -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:49:07 AM)

Maybe if the Jesse Jackson party would take some responsibility on their shoulders and speak out against all violence that is racially motivated, instead of picking and choosing like the news stations in politics, it would be taken more seriously by all sides, and resolution could be had./snip

Yeah that guys is a theatrical cry baby.  Pretty one sided.




tolovetolaugh -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:51:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

to love,   thank you for posts with substance.    It is refreshing to see that. :-)


...
Why do I feel so very very dirty right now.

No offense, but your arguments/posts are often things I am very against, and I feel the only reason this one was rational..ish, was that the subject is so explosive on its own it didn't need any sensationalism.

That being said, I really would love a forum discussion that stays a discussion.




thompsonx -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 11:59:44 AM)

Your post seems to imply that there is one scholarship for every three blacks in the u.s.
Is that your premis?



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My premise is that if the opposite was the case it would be a huge deal. And that the one scholarship for white males... is guess what? A big deal.


Would it really be all that difficult for you to answer the question I asked?
Are you implying that there is one scholarship for every three blacks in the u.s.?




tolovetolaugh -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 12:06:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Your post seems to imply that there is one scholarship for every three blacks in the u.s.
Is that your premis?



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My premise is that if the opposite was the case it would be a huge deal. And that the one scholarship for white males... is guess what? A big deal.


Would it really be all that difficult for you to answer the question I asked?
Are you implying that there is one scholarship for every three blacks in the u.s.?


No. 15 million links does not mean 15 million scholarships.
You can try and derail it based on a technicality your head has faultily fixated on, but the point remains the same.
You can make something exclusive for blacks, but don't you dare do it for whites or you are racist.




pahunkboy -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 12:09:13 PM)

it really is a relic of the past...  being the leader of the free world is-  who he is. 




tolovetolaugh -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 12:57:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

it really is a relic of the past...  being the leader of the free world is-  who he is. 


Yes, this does prove racism is not dead.

For Linn
I never said it was, merely that harsh measures were needed to stop the overt violence of the past- while there is still violence, do you really feel it is anywhere what it used to be race wise?
Harsh times call for harsh measures... when the harsh times start winding down, so too shouldn't the harsher methods?

For Pa
Do you realize how much credibility you remove from my arguments by saying things like this and making it like it is in agreement with me?




thompsonx -> RE: fucken Huff post is racist! (9/7/2011 1:05:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tolovetolaugh

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Your post seems to imply that there is one scholarship for every three blacks in the u.s.
Is that your premis?



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My premise is that if the opposite was the case it would be a huge deal. And that the one scholarship for white males... is guess what? A big deal.


Would it really be all that difficult for you to answer the question I asked?
Are you implying that there is one scholarship for every three blacks in the u.s.?


No. 15 million links does not mean 15 million scholarships.

Thank you for answering my question.
What exactly did you mean to imply by your statement


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Since we are bringing up racial points not completely with the post, please explain to me why when you type in "black scholarship" there are over 15 million results, yet if you type in white instead you only get results about the fighting over 1 group offering 4 measly 500.00 scholarships.



You can try and derail it based on a technicality your head has faultily fixated on, but the point remains the same.

I have not tried to derail anything...I simply asked you to explain your position.

You can make something exclusive for blacks, but don't you dare do it for whites or you are racist.

Does that mean that if you have a scholarship for women going into engineering that would be sexist?
I once recieved a scholarship reservd exclusively for men in a female dominated discipline.
Some hair care products are marketed as just for blacks is that racist?






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