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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 7:38:16 PM   
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It's sad when the most bipartisan news show you can find is the daily show, despite the silliness.



Its even more sad when someone thinks that the Daily Show is

1. News
2. Bipartisan




Stupid piece of fat crap.

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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 7:39:58 PM   
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Why would I want to check out a lying racist far right rag



To have a better idea of what they are saying among themselves, and to improve your understanding of how they rationalize their stupidity?  

Besides, fox's wild spin efforts are among the very best sources for documenting events righties later try to pretend were nothing but lies from Huffpo.  Right up there with the Drudge.

just for balance dontcha know

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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 7:44:02 PM   
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Because before the hate crime enhancement they would have been charged with joy riding or failure to yield.
No.. They would have been charged with murder. Because that was what it was. Murder.


You do not seem to know much about the history of racism in my country. Perhaps you might disabuse yourself of your ignorance before posting so ignorantly on the subject.

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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 7:45:47 PM   
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To have a better idea of what they are saying among themselves, and to improve your understanding of how they rationalize their stupidity?  

Besides, fox's wild spin efforts are among the very best sources for documenting events righties later try to pretend were nothing but lies from Huffpo.  Right up there with the Drudge.

just for balance dontcha know



Normally, I would yell "party foul" on playing in the quote box, Lucy, but here, no.  You haven't altered my sentiment one tiny bit.  I'd even say fair and balanced.



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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 7:51:29 PM   
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Perhaps you might be happier living in one of the islamic countries where that sort of thing is permitted.
A valid point is raised and you respond to it with hate and insults...

Please show me where I have been hateful or insulting.

are you sure that's not where YOU would be happier?

What have I said that would lead you to believe that I am unhappy living in the u.s.?

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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 7:52:10 PM   
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Because before the hate crime enhancement they would have been charged with joy riding or failure to yield.
No.. They would have been charged with murder. Because that was what it was. Murder.


You do not seem to know much about the history of racism in my country. Perhaps you might disabuse yourself of your ignorance before posting so ignorantly on the subject.


I am afraid I am not living in the past.
I was actually quite good at history. I love the stories.
This happens to be just as much my country- and show me where IN THIS DAY AND AGE someone purposely runs over another human being and gets failure to yield.


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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 7:52:36 PM   
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Besides, HuffPo's wild spin efforts are among the very best sources for documenting events lefties later try to pretend were nothing but lies from Fox. Right up there with the New York Times


Perhaps you could tell us which liberal owns the n.y. times dick?

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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 7:54:42 PM   
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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 7:57:23 PM   
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I am afraid I am not living in the past.
I was actually quite good at history. I love the stories.
This happens to be just as much my country-

Where have I suggested that it was not your country?

and show me where IN THIS DAY AND AGE someone purposely runs over another human being and gets failure to yield.[/quote]

They do not get a failure to yield because of the hate crime statute.
If you were as good at history as you claim then you would be aware of this.

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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 8:01:23 PM   
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They do not get a failure to yield because of the hate crime statute.
If you were as good at history as you claim then you would be aware of this.


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No. You are wrong.
They do not get a failure to yield because it is murder.
Do you deny that running someone down intentionally, no matter the motive is murder?


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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 8:03:44 PM   
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I am tired of everytime some one has an opinion they are labled racist, so shut the hell up.



My opinion is that you do not read very well.
Please show me where I have called anyone a racist simply for having an opinon.
Since all of the pc bigots on this board are clever enough to weasel out of the racist label, I disdain the use of that word.
As for me shutting the hell up if you were to post something of substance we could discuss it but if you are unable or unwilling to comment substantively then it is you who should refrain from posting.

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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 8:09:36 PM   
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They do not get a failure to yield because of the hate crime statute.
If you were as good at history as you claim then you would be aware of this.




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No. You are wrong.
They do not get a failure to yield because it is murder.
Do you deny that running someone down intentionally, no matter the motive is murder?

Why would I deny that running someone down intentionally is murder?
It clearly and obviously is.
If you had paid attention to your history classes you would be aware that befoe the hate crime statute it was routinely not prosecuted as murder.
You and I agree that it is murder yet prosecuters in the south routinely would not persue murder 1 but instead some minor infraction.
Do you deny that this was common before the hate crime statute?



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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 8:11:08 PM   
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I am tired of everytime some one has an opinion they are labled racist, so shut the hell up.


I have actually been pleasantly surprised at my ability to discuss this on here. Minus a certain wack job on my side, and a few flawed arguments on my oppositions () It's been great and fairly civil compared to most of what I have seen on the P and R forums.


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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 8:14:37 PM   
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They do not get a failure to yield because of the hate crime statute.
If you were as good at history as you claim then you would be aware of this.




...
No. You are wrong.
They do not get a failure to yield because it is murder.
Do you deny that running someone down intentionally, no matter the motive is murder?

Why would I deny that running someone down intentionally is murder?
It clearly and obviously is.
If you had paid attention to your history classes you would be aware that befoe the hate crime statute it was routinely not prosecuted as murder.
You and I agree that it is murder yet prosecuters in the south routinely would not persue murder 1 but instead some minor infraction.
Do you deny that this was common before the hate crime statute?




No, I don't.
I agreed earlier hate crimes being hate crimes was a necessary thing at one point. They were extreme and what was needed to bring public awareness to a wrong being committed.
I believe now though they are no longer necessary.
Public image of what is acceptable has changed.

In your argument there is a reason you are speaking in a past tense. I am speaking in a present one.


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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 8:33:47 PM   
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No, I don't.
I agreed earlier hate crimes being hate crimes was a necessary thing at one point. They were extreme and what was needed to bring public awareness to a wrong being committed.
I believe now though they are no longer necessary.
Public image of what is acceptable has changed.

Upon what do you base this opinion?
Have hate crimes ceased?
Until they do there will be a need for the hate crime statute/

In your argument there is a reason you are speaking in a past tense. I am speaking in a present one.

Again I ask you, have hate crimes ceased. Since they have not it is clear that I am speaing in the present tense.

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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 8:37:50 PM   
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Do you deny that this was common before the hate crime statute?




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No, I don't.
I agreed earlier hate crimes being hate crimes was a necessary thing at one point. They were extreme and what was needed to bring public awareness to a wrong being committed.
I believe now though they are no longer necessary.
Public image of what is acceptable has changed.

Upon what do you base this opinion?
Have hate crimes ceased?
Until they do there will be a need for the hate crime statute/

In your argument there is a reason you are speaking in a past tense. I am speaking in a present one.

Again I ask you, have hate crimes ceased. Since they have not it is clear that I am speaing in the present tense.


Your argument was prosecutors would not prosecute murder as murder back in the day. They will now. This makes hate crimes unnecessary for justice to be done.


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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 9:38:49 PM   
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To have a better idea of what they are saying among themselves, and to improve your understanding of how they rationalize their stupidity?  

Besides, fox's wild spin efforts are among the very best sources for documenting events righties later try to pretend were nothing but lies from Huffpo.  Right up there with the Drudge.

just for balance dontcha know



Normally, I would yell "party foul" on playing in the quote box, Lucy, but here, no.  You haven't altered my sentiment one tiny bit.  I'd even say fair and balanced.



I work with what I got:)


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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 10:03:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		And isn't playing the blame game just what you are doing? Yes, racism exists. It clearly exists in YOUR statements.

That's the point. Hatred isn't restricted to one group no matter how much minorities try to claim it is.

A black guy mugs a white woman and some radical like Al Sharpton will just about try to justify the guy's actions, blaming slavery (that he has to go back more than 3 generations in his family too find), the 'white' government, etc.

DUDE, have to taken a look at our president? He denies his WHITE heritage, instead looking to the black father who was barely part of his life. But yep, the government is all for the whites. The Civils Rights Act, hate crime enhancments, affirmative action were all to benefit the whites.

Seriously, as long as you want to scream that you are different and then demand to be treated differently with things like affirmative action, YOU and others like you, regardless of race or ethnicity (and yes they are different, do you even know your ethnicity or what country your family originates from? Here's a hint you bigoted little snot, africa is a continent not a country, like Europe and North America).

When you get that chip off your shoulder and stop thinking whites took all your options, then you might grow up and see how you are just as racist as those you throw the term at.

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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 10:04:36 PM   
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Someone intentionally runs over someone with their car = Murder
A black man intentionally run over someone for being white = Murder
A white man intentionally runs over someone for being black = Murder... wait... no its not murder? It's a hate crime?

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No.. They would have been charged with murder. Because that was what it was. Murder.



They have been charged with murder by the state. Hate crimes are federal crimes. Its the federal government who charges them with that.


The point is that "hate crime" in and of itself is a crime of thought.  If you can prove in court one is a racist it goes toward motive and proving the murder,  the same if you can show in court he has a history of mugging, then that would be the motive and goes toward proving the murder. I don't agree with some one being charged with a thought nor is it consistent with the constitution.


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RE: fucken Huff post is racist! - 9/7/2011 10:16:35 PM   
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The point is that "hate crime" in and of itself is a crime of thought. If you can prove in court one is a racist it goes toward motive and proving the murder, the same if you can show in court he has a history of mugging, then that would be the motive and goes toward proving the murder. I don't agree with some one being charged with a thought nor is it consistent with the constitution.


They arent being charged with a thought crime... there is an act there. The hate laws allowed the Federal government to get involved before the trial, instead of having to wait to be asked, or wait for the appeal case. It prevents the good ole boy network from being effective in allowing racially motivated crimes from being swept under the rug.

Locals will claim... boys will be boys... and they did, alot. Once tried, the fed government's hands were tied. Now, the tables are turned on such crimes. Much, much harder to hide behind a badge who is related to you.

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