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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 6:26:24 PM

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Now my question is do you want another session with the same Dom/me because you feel something for them or do you run as fast as you can when you can....because there is a danger that you could have been seriously injured.

I'm sure there are lots of people that are into spinal injuries. That is a fetish I see all over the place, hardly ever a limit. People line up for that sort of thing, Nothing like being paralized/crutches/walker/wheel-chair as a momento of a "kinky-good-time!"

Oh bullshit, show me some hard evidence that people are being injured in ANY way with floggers...

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 6:46:25 PM

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here is Joey Shmoey .... I found him wheeling down the street one day .....

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 6:49:07 PM

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Are public dungeons wheelchair accessible?

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 6:56:57 PM

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Pinch a big, steamy POOP on the carpet... I've found that works better (and faster) than a "safe word".

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 6:57:42 PM

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depends on the venue:) altho it is a problem with munches a lot from what Ive been told.
Lots are downstairs(dungeons especially) or upstairs without elevators, at least here in TO

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 7:11:55 PM

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Now my question is do you want another session with the same Dom/me because you feel something for them or do you run as fast as you can when you can....because there is a danger that you could have been seriously injured.

I love it when Daddy beats the living crap outta me with his flogger. Just love it. He's even hit my spine many times before and it never injured me. But then I'm most definitely NOT a skinny person so I have adequate padding. lol AND I've been far enough in subspace from those floggings before that I can't steady myself without Daddy's help.

I would absolutely NOT sub to someone who was SO inexperienced that I couldn't trust them to know WTF they were doing. As a matter of fact, BEFORE I would ever sub to someone at all, I would watch them in action or at least talk to previous subs of theirs. We can do that in my area because we are a close community, know each other, and watch out for each other. As for Topping, I observed other Dom/mes in action for a long time and Daddy taught and supervised me a lot before I had a sub of my own.

Also, I would NOT allow the Dom/me to choose MY safeword as I am the one who would have to remember it in a pinch to protect myself. I WOULD open my mouth and use it to let him/her know there is something wrong, by using my safeword that I chose for myself.

Also, I would never have a repeat encounter with someone who doesn't give me copious amounts of cuddling during aftercare, as I'm a cuddle hog and need that. With my own sub, I also give him plenty of aftercare of the type he wants and needs. Early on with Daddy and then with my own sub, we talked about aftercare as well as a multitude of other things, so everyone is happy with what they are getting/giving.

When I'm subbing, I will open my mouth and use my safeword to take care of myself when necessary. Just because someone is a sub, it doesn't mean he/she doesn't have any responsibility to let the Dom/me know when something doesn't feel right. When I'm Domming my own sub, he knows that I WANT and EXPECT him to let me know when he feels something is wrong, AND I pay close attention and notice when something doesn't seem "right."

I guess I just don't understand why people don't speak up for themselves & take care of themselves, and why people will play with someone they can't trust yet to know what the hell they're doing..... It all comes down to communication and taking care of oneself I think.

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 9:33:46 PM

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1. The idea of a first play time with a Dom/me - no. The first play session should be with a Top. It might work into a relationship later.
2. Using a flogger is not difficult but is wearing for the Top. Flogging all night would be exhausting for a newbie, and an experienced Top would have good aim. Not realistic.
3. The Top keeps missing. The Top keeps not noticing that the bottom is writhing in pain. The bottom has felt the Top miss the mark in every stroke. Neither one shows any ability or judgment.
4. The Top caused physical injury to the bottom and wanders off instead of providing aftercare, let alone getting medical attention?
5. Where was the DM in all of this?
6. As everyone else has said - floggers won't cause injuries.
7. Where did this scenario come from? Why did you choose to make up something impossible and then ask everyone what they would do?

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 10:20:13 PM

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I have 8 different floggers,(all different weights and styles) 2 single tails, various paddles/bitch bats. Never caused a injury. And im with Micheal on this floggers dont hurt poeple. Ive tried. Bruised, welted, hell even breaking skin. Never paralized or caused kidney failure from it.

Now we want to talk about edge play, thats a different beast.

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 11:10:25 PM

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Saw a scene stopped at a big event. Wrapping with a BUNNY FLOGGER.

Made of bunny fur, not an actual bunny.

True story.

Phew!!

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 11:25:58 PM

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Floggers are amazing therapeutic devices. For years I have suffered from bad headaches when I'm stressed, usually caused by muscles knotting at the top of my spine and right at the bottom.

So when we play with the flogger, Master works on those spots. He hits with varying intensity and sometimes he even wraps. After a session with the flogger I usually feel wonderful. Not just the subspace, but the 'deep tissue massage' that the flogger gives which results in several headache-free days.

So yeah, be careful with those mamas...

And to the OP - if you forget the safeword, pretty much everyone understands that RED means stop. Hard to forget, eh?

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/9/2011 11:52:38 PM

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/10/2011 10:01:32 AM

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Depending on how you define injuries, it is POSSIBLE to take an eye out when wrapping but I don't think it has actually happened. I just sent Jay Wiseman an email to see if he knew of any permanent injuries with floggers but we had a conversation a while back and I think he said he didn't know of any.

SOME floggers can leave marks and there are ones that can do some deeper brusing but most people don't use them. I have a heavy rubber flogger that will definely leave marks if I keep the falls in a bundle and really swing it hard. I have had ones with heavy knotted leather that would do the same but most floggers are pretty soft and lightweight leather and the more intense kind are not usually available through internet bulk stores and are not the sort beginers tend to start with as they are not cheap.

To ME, bruising and soreness isn't "injury" in the sense the hand wringers use it. Permanent scaring, loss of feeling, blindness, those are "injuries"...and very few of my partners have experienced too much of that.

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/10/2011 11:33:15 AM

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Floggers are amazing therapeutic devices. For years I have suffered from bad headaches when I'm stressed, usually caused by muscles knotting at the top of my spine and right at the bottom.

So when we play with the flogger, Master works on those spots. He hits with varying intensity and sometimes he even wraps. After a session with the flogger I usually feel wonderful. Not just the subspace, but the 'deep tissue massage' that the flogger gives which results in several headache-free days.

So yeah, be careful with those mamas...

And to the OP - if you forget the safeword, pretty much everyone understands that RED means stop. Hard to forget, eh?

That's funny, when I was in massage therapy school and we were studying deep tissue massage, they didn't say anything about using floggers.....and they were accredited.....damn school.

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/10/2011 1:01:22 PM

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Pretty sure my first session with someone who did not know me well, would not involve full restraints or them doing anything that would deprive me of speech. I understand human error but even one blow to a dangerous spot warrents an immediate "Stop right the fuck now buddy" if he didn't stop himself or even realize he hit a no-no spot. Regardless of the activity if he (or she) is not smart enough to know when they've hit a bad spot, they shouldn't be wielding the tool.

I've never dealt with impacts hard enough to break bones or displace them, but I'm pretty sure swelling or bruising alone induced at the spinal column could produce some ugly effects, at least temporarily. Most people probably don't use really heavy floggers, I did know a very large man, who was particularly strong, and wielded a moosehide flogger (18 inches if I recall), it was akin to being beat with a decent sized phone book at times, I'm sure a misplaced blow in a very unlucky place could have done some damage. (It sure felt like it anyway!).
However I've never heard first hand of anyone receiving serious injury from a flogger, so perhaps it's harder to accomplish internal damage with one then people fear? I'd rather error on the side of caution though, especilly if NEITHER party is well enough versed to know the maximum damage a weapon could inflict.

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/10/2011 1:08:56 PM

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Saw a scene stopped at a big event. Wrapping with a BUNNY FLOGGER.

Made of bunny fur, not an actual bunny.

True story.

The story would have been so much better if it was made of a bunny, alive or dead.

disclaimer: I do not support cruelty to animals, just cruelty to bottoms/subs

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/10/2011 2:23:10 PM

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After the second bad hit I would start screaming to get down. That it needs to end now. And no I wouldn;t play again with him. I would also tell him straight out that if he doesn't get some training he's going to kill someone and it wouldn;t be me.

Plus I would mail him my medical bills incurred because of his idiocy.

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/10/2011 4:12:51 PM

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Plus I would mail him my medical bills incurred because of his idiocy.

His idiocy?
What about yours in allowing a novice to bind you in that manner?

It's scenario's like this that personal responsibility need to take hold.

He/she is not to blame. YOU are. YOU allowed yourself to be put on the cross. YOU allowed a novice to flog you. YOU did not take the time to make certain that YOU would be safe.

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/10/2011 4:16:12 PM

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Death by Flogger
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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/10/2011 4:54:51 PM

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ROTFLMAO! I just laughed so hard my poor cat freaked out.

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RE: Hit and Miss - 9/10/2011 4:58:27 PM

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Plus I would mail him my medical bills incurred because of his idiocy.

His idiocy?
What about yours in allowing a novice to bind you in that manner?

It's scenario's like this that personal responsibility need to take hold.

He/she is not to blame. YOU are. YOU allowed yourself to be put on the cross. YOU allowed a novice to flog you. YOU did not take the time to make certain that YOU would be safe.

This aaand YOU did not speak up when he was hurting you. D-types have many powers, reading minds is not one of them.

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