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Lucylastic -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:35:39 PM)

bubye
you got nothing of truth so you leave trying to be "superior"
FAIL




thompsonx -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:35:59 PM)

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Why do civilian casualties matter to you now, when Saddam could invade rape and plunder a whole country, commit a long campaign of genocide and other innumerable unspeakable ghastly atrocities, without you even batting an eye?


Do you mean exactly like a succession of u.s. presidents have?




isoLadyOwner -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:38:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

no thanks, Ive seen your other posts regarding Obama, you sure as hell never even gave him a chance


I supported Obama once upon a time.

I hate Obama more than Bush now that's undeniable.


Im sure you will be able to provide me with a post stating that...
Ill ask you nicely because I looked for one when you claimed you were going to hold your nose and vote for a repub, and there wasnt one




I've wasted too much time with the brain dead; prove me wrong.

Find a single post saying I will vote GOP for any reason OTHER than to oppose Obama.

Just one.




isoLadyOwner -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:46:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

bubye
you got nothing of truth so you leave trying to be "superior"
FAIL


Can you find a single pro Iraq war post I wrote?

A single pro Afghanistan War?

A single pro Patriot Act or Gitmo post?

A single anti choice post?

Any posts saying Bush wasn't awful (but Obama is worse)?

Any posts in favor of a GOP candidate for their views as opposed to them being "Anyone but Obama"?

The archives do not save posts made at the time Obama was running for President, I tried a search as well.

bubye
you got nothing of truth so you leave trying to be "superior"
FAIL




Owner59 -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:48:47 PM)

Yup,if one looks at your locked up profile....




isoLadyOwner -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:50:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Yup,if one looks at your locked up profile....


That affects your ability to search does it?




Owner59 -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:51:28 PM)

spork.......[:D]




isoLadyOwner -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:53:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

spork.......[:D]


Are you as dumb as Sarah Palin in real life?

Never mind that's very obvious.





thompsonx -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:55:46 PM)

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HRW estimates there are 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in Libya, and many of those are now missing. Some are recent Russian-made SAMs, capable of shooting down aircraft flying as high as 11,000 feet.

"They have no military use in this war," said Bouckaert. "Gadhafi is not flying any airplanes, he's not flying any helicopters. So why are people looting these very powerful and dangerous missiles?"


It would appear that we are speaking of sam 7 shoulder fired surface to air missiles.
Here is a link on the limitations of a sam 7



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2

Contrary to your cite they are not very powerful nor are they very dangerous nor are the particularly accurate.





Owner59 -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 6:58:10 PM)

Run and hide!

It`s scarrry out there.....!

Vote republican! "We retards think we can protect you!"[:D]




isoLadyOwner -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 7:09:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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HRW estimates there are 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in Libya, and many of those are now missing. Some are recent Russian-made SAMs, capable of shooting down aircraft flying as high as 11,000 feet.

"They have no military use in this war," said Bouckaert. "Gadhafi is not flying any airplanes, he's not flying any helicopters. So why are people looting these very powerful and dangerous missiles?"


It would appear that we are speaking of sam 7 shoulder fired surface to air missiles.
Here is a link on the limitations of a sam 7



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2

Contrary to your cite they are not very powerful nor are they very dangerous nor are the particularly accurate.


So you wouldn't mind having a Libyan "ex rebel", or insurgent, or counter insurgent shooting a SAM at you if you were a US soldier stationed in Afghanistan? That's where those weapons are most likely located now.







Lucylastic -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 7:15:35 PM)

lmao pissy little thing isnt he
I asked for proof of what you were saying in post 119, now where is my proof ??? oh thats right you wont, cos there isnt one.
BUT you want me to show you how many?
naff off.
Brain dead?? you are the one who cant come up with your own posts to prove your point




thompsonx -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 7:50:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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HRW estimates there are 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in Libya, and many of those are now missing. Some are recent Russian-made SAMs, capable of shooting down aircraft flying as high as 11,000 feet.

"They have no military use in this war," said Bouckaert. "Gadhafi is not flying any airplanes, he's not flying any helicopters. So why are people looting these very powerful and dangerous missiles?"


It would appear that we are speaking of sam 7 shoulder fired surface to air missiles.
Here is a link on the limitations of a sam 7



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2

Contrary to your cite they are not very powerful nor are they very dangerous nor are the particularly accurate.


So you wouldn't mind having a Libyan "ex rebel", or insurgent, or counter insurgent shooting a SAM at you if you were a US soldier stationed in Afghanistan? That's where those weapons are most likely located now.







Not at all....If someone is going to shoot at me I would prefer that they did it with a weapon with a 30% accuracy rate.




tweakabelle -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/11/2011 11:25:43 PM)

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So you wouldn't mind having a Libyan "ex rebel", or insurgent, or counter insurgent shooting a SAM at you if you were a US soldier stationed in Afghanistan? That's where those weapons are most likely located now.


These missiles (assuming they have gone missing of course) are far more likely to make their way to Gaza. It's far closer and of far more urgent need.

Who knows? They may end up protecting the besieged citizens of Gaza from the murderous attacks of the IDF, which has been using Gaza for target practice for many years now, notching up hundreds if not thousands of fatalities in the process.




isoLadyOwner -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/12/2011 3:02:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

lmao pissy little thing isnt he
I asked for proof of what you were saying in post 119, now where is my proof ??? oh thats right you wont, cos there isnt one.
BUT you want me to show you how many?
naff off.
Brain dead?? you are the one who cant come up with your own posts to prove your point




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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

answer my question then, where is all your concern about iraqi civillians murdered raped and butchered....



You can't find a single post in which I support the "Decider's" wars in Iraq or Afghanistan.

My contempt for and disappointment in Obama is present in my posts as is my disgust with Bush.

Here is a post from March opposing all the neo con wars and pointing out Obama's hypocrisy for reversing his earlier position on the US Monarchy:
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"Impeachment" thread 3/28/11:

One major difference between Iraq and Libya was that the "Decider put on a case for the Iraq War and got the approval of Congress as required under the US Constitution.

I can't support Democracy in the Middle East when it tends to lead to Muslim Theocracy or a US propped puppet Government. Both wars are contrary to the interests of the USA but at least the "Decider" claimed there were WMDs and actually followed the law.

Obama's Libyan war is not currently legal under the Constitution. Congress will likely let Obama get away with it. Its up to the US voter to remove Obama in 2012, this is a very expensive conflict, a lot of people in this country are unemployed.

The following quote is from a Harvard educated Attorney named Barack Obama before he was the President:

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

I think he was the President of the Harvard Law Review when he was a student there ...
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Where do I support Bush? Admittedly Obama is the bigger hypocrite.

Obama's loyalists will now cry for fresh outrage over Iraq, a war the "Decider" started on false pretenses several years ago.

At present the cruelest US policy is Obama's funding the Libyan "ex rebel's" slaughter of black Africans.

Its true that islamist's killing one another is far less bothersome than Obama's decision to fund islamist Libyan "ex rebels" who slaughter black Africans.

Pissy little hypocrite and warmonger aren't you Lucy?

Obama lied to conceal his Authoritarian position on Executive power when he said:

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."






FirstQuaker -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/12/2011 7:36:07 AM)

Most the little SAMs are the anti-aircraft equal of a sawn off shotgun, good at close range and that is it. The more modern ones like Blair was selling him are the ones to worry about, but they are larger and need some support equipment to reach out and hit jets at a distance.

I would be more worried about some of the other toys making their way into the terrorist supermarkets, KDaffy had a lot of naval equipment, especially mines and torpedoes. They have caught up with jihadi plotting to torpedo shipping in the Singapore area, and it would only take one mine in the Thames estuary, or the Saint Lawrence seaway to cause havoc.

Then there are land mines and regular military rocketry, most people don't realize you don't need a pretty launcher for a military rocket, especially if all you want to do is create havoc with one, most are electrically fired and go the direction they were pointed when they are lit off.  The Iraqi insurgents, for instance would take 122 mm rockets and  point them at the Green Zone and let fly.

But as the matter stands Libyan was awash in weaponry, and much of it is free for the taking right now -

Gaddafi's Abandoned Arsenals Raise Libya's Terror Threat
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Stockpiles of old Soviet artillery shells and land mines gave Iraqis enough car bombs, roadside bombs and suicide vests to run an eight-year insurgency that has killed thousands of Americans and many tens of thousands of Iraqis. "If you just take one of these, you have a car bomb," Bouckaert says, pointing to a box containing 130-mm antitank shells. There are hundreds more stacked in the same room.

A nearby sandy lot holds thousands more antipersonnel and antitank mines, with trip-wire triggers to rig booby traps already available nearby. Hundreds of such stockpiles have been located across Libya. Human Rights Watch found some 60 weapons warehouses in the eastern city of Ajdabiyah alone, all of them looted. "The storage facilities we found in Iraq were minuscule compared to what we're finding here," says Bouckaert.








thompsonx -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/12/2011 7:36:22 AM)

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I can't support Democracy in the Middle East when it tends to lead to Muslim Theocracy


It would appear that you do not support democracy at all.
One either supports democracy or they do not.




Sanity -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/12/2011 7:42:36 AM)


The article cited in the OP mentioned that many of the SAMS are very new, modern, technologically superior Russian SAMS

And even if it takes some expertise to launch them, we should realize by now that modern terrorists arent dummies




RakeAndCo -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/12/2011 7:42:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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I can't support Democracy in the Middle East when it tends to lead to Muslim Theocracy


It would appear that you do not support democracy at all.
One either supports democracy or they do not.

Democracy is a mob-rule. Support for democracy is a support for mob-rule. Not a single "civilized" country that exist is a democracy, at most they are different forms of republics with the constitution attempting to guarantee the rights of those that are not in the majority.

The post popular position in the middle east is that gays need to be cured by extermination and women must be locked up regardless of their opinion on the topic. But let me guess, since the majority likes it, we, as the civilized people, should allow them to do so.




FirstQuaker -> RE: As Many As 20,000 SAMS In Libya Unacounted For (9/12/2011 7:53:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The article cited in the OP mentioned that many of the SAMS are very new, modern, technologically superior Russian SAMS

And even if it takes some expertise to launch them, we should realize by now that modern terrorists arent dummies



The rockets might be advanced, but you need some electronics and a tracking system to get them to hit targets more then a kilometer away. It is one thing to have a little SAM in a tube that heat seeks for self defense from tactical aircraft, and another to have the electronics van and large launcher for one big enough to cover a 20 KM radius, and thus big enough to be useful on high flying or distant aircraft.

Basically, a .50 BMG would be as useful for shooting down civilian jets landing at an airfield, assuming the operator did not care if he was caught at it (and he would have the advantage of being able to machinegun the arriving constables, to boot.)




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