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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 2:57:28 PM   
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Farming clams seems doable. You need sand, salt water, pumps and a seperate tank for growing the little stuff the clams eat. Seems unlikely to be as cost effective as growing mussels on ropes though. The question is how much crowding will clams tolerate?


Okay, the culture itself (water chemistry / substrate) isn't a real big deal, you basically cart it in from the marsh in a tank truck... The substrate you reconstruct. The big barrier to farming any seafood in a closed system is that it normally puts a HUGE strain on the local waste treatment resources. I have wrestled with this issue since almost 20 years ago in RI. It really DOES have a nasty backlash on a town's water system.
   That said, a couple of years ago, a company called Timberfish came into existence. And they do a closed loop system that is based on biotic technology similar to what they do at the Hooker Chemical Building in Niagra falls upstairs people are shitting and pissing the day away and down below, people are sitting in a wetlands environment enjoying nature.
  The system I am trying to get the local aquaculture experimenters is completely closed loop and uses timber waste products as it's main components. Were it not for the saline components you could drink this water.


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Any idea if farmed clams would act like farmed mussels and grow more meat than shell? That is a major reason mussel farming is so efficient.


Actually, yeah, if you"build" you own substrate in such a way that the clams can suck up their food with less strain on the bivalve organs... yep they swell out of their shell. If you live in an area with saltwater and a sewage treatment plant that lets out into the marsh... you can dig in the black mud and pull up steamers that run up to a 1/4 lb. Eat em and you;re playing Russian roulette, but they hit that size because they have so little work to suck in nutrients. I will say this... I dig em at least once a week and use em for striper bait. I end up landing 40 - 50 inch fish when everybody else is bringing in fish that just make the 28" limit.




In recognition of the NE/SD game and your post I had a New Bedford/SoCal hybrid for lunch. Mexican (Portugese is too hard to find here) Chorizo and Clams. Awesome.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 3:33:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		"No where did I say farmed salmon was any good at all. But it has nothing to do with the mineral content of the water they are raised in which is the nonsensical claim you made."

Sounds like you mean taste and texture. Do you eat to live or live to eat ?

You eat what the fuck you want, but I want my seafood to come from the sea which has mineral content. More diverse mineral content than in a tank, unless of course they just put seawater in it.

Sounds like you like your food diluted. Take your pound of food with a half ounce of nutrients, I prefer the same amount of nutrients in a much smaller portion. The rest is pretty much stuffing and stuffing is for dead turkeys.

In fact the food "pyramid" is pretty much stuffing.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 3:39:28 PM   
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"No where did I say farmed salmon was any good at all. But it has nothing to do with the mineral content of the water they are raised in which is the nonsensical claim you made."

Sounds like you mean taste and texture. Do you eat to live or live to eat ?

You eat what the fuck you want, but I want my seafood to come from the sea which has mineral content. More diverse mineral content than in a tank, unless of course they just put seawater in it.

Sounds like you like your food diluted. Take your pound of food with a half ounce of nutrients, I prefer the same amount of nutrients in a much smaller portion. The rest is pretty much stuffing and stuffing is for dead turkeys.

In fact the food "pyramid" is pretty much stuffing.

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No, I meant better for you health wise. Specifically the amount of contaminants and omega-3 fatty acids. farmed salmon has too much of the first and too little of the second.

BTW dumbass, farmed salmon does come from the sea. They are raised in large pens in the ocean.

Learn what you are talking about before making claims you can't support.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 4:35:49 PM   
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"No where did I say farmed salmon was any good at all. But it has nothing to do with the mineral content of the water they are raised in which is the nonsensical claim you made."

Sounds like you mean taste and texture. Do you eat to live or live to eat ?

You eat what the fuck you want, but I want my seafood to come from the sea which has mineral content. More diverse mineral content than in a tank, unless of course they just put seawater in it.

Sounds like you like your food diluted. Take your pound of food with a half ounce of nutrients, I prefer the same amount of nutrients in a much smaller portion. The rest is pretty much stuffing and stuffing is for dead turkeys.

In fact the food "pyramid" is pretty much stuffing.

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No, I meant better for you health wise. Specifically the amount of contaminants and omega-3 fatty acids. farmed salmon has too much of the first and too little of the second.

BTW dumbass, farmed salmon does come from the sea. They are raised in large pens in the ocean.

Learn what you are talking about before making claims you can't support.


yeah, farmed-in-the-ocean salmon is bad, bad, bad for the enviroment and wild salmon.

And the disgusting sea lice love the farmed salmon cuz they are just sitting there in pens like sitting ducks... Its no wonder the farmed salmon are susceptible to diseases... Can you imagine being a poor little farmed salmon with a hord of those disgusting sea lice sucking away on you your entire life?
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/dirty-secrets-of-farmed-salmon/content?oid=1380701

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 5:31:59 PM   
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You learn about salmon. I can try but I really doubt I will ever care less because I can't stand the shit.

I must admit I like needling you because then you resort to namecalling and show your immaturity. Keep your salmon boy, the shit is fucking gross.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 5:34:05 PM   
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"Learn what you are talking about before making claims you can't support."

You learn about salmon. I can try but I really doubt I will ever care less because I can't stand the shit.

I must admit I like needling you because then you resort to namecalling and show your immaturity. Keep your salmon boy, the shit is fucking gross.

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Since you only eat to live, we will feel free to ignore your culinary tastes.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 5:48:01 PM   
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Can you imagine being a poor little farmed salmon with a hord of those disgusting sea lice sucking away on you your entire life?
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/dirty-secrets-of-farmed-salmon/content?oid=1380701


No. I endeavor to never anthropomorphisize my entrées.

I am completely against anyone bringing food to the table that still has its eyes. Yes, this means I never order crayfish.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 6:11:48 PM   
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Can you imagine being a poor little farmed salmon with a hord of those disgusting sea lice sucking away on you your entire life?
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/dirty-secrets-of-farmed-salmon/content?oid=1380701


No. I endeavor to never anthropomorphisize my entrées.

I am completely against anyone bringing food to the table that still has its eyes. Yes, this means I never order crayfish.


what about appetizers?

I guess you wouldnt like the deep fried heads from sweet raw shrimp then.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 6:26:25 PM   
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"Learn what you are talking about before making claims you can't support."

You learn about salmon. I can try but I really doubt I will ever care less because I can't stand the shit.

I must admit I like needling you because then you resort to namecalling and show your immaturity. Keep your salmon boy, the shit is fucking gross.

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Since you only eat to live, we will feel free to ignore your culinary tastes.


No kidding! I no longer eat anything that "has a face", as some people put it (and I'm not going to debate vegetarianism/veganism here) but when I did eat fish, wow....wild Alaska salmon is awesome!! I know there are people who don't like fish in general, and that's one thing, but I don't know of a single person who likes fish who doesn't like salmon. Maybe he's only eaten the salmon from a can.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 6:29:50 PM   
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Most of you don't have the teeth to eat what I like. When I eat chicken I gnaw on the bones, eat the cartilage and so forth. I suck the marrow. I eat peanuts in the shell. I also used to eat shrimp tails but got sick of the pieces getting stuck in between my teeth. Also when I get the end of a slab of ribs I eat those yet to be formed bones.

Sometimes I'll eat a clove of raw garlic. I put unrefined sea salt on evertything that takes salt, too much of it if I can, and my blood pressure is excellent, in fact the doc said I could live to be 100.

That all started years ago yes, when stopped living to eat and started eating to live. This cured several maladies including bad knees and a bad back. Neither one has pained me in a very long time. And I also don't use sugar or anything hydrogenated. In fact I don't use any sweeteners at all. I also fry things in bacon grease.

And now that I stopped smoking ciagrettes a bit over a month ago I almost feel as if I can fly.

How about y'all ?

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 6:36:10 PM   
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Had one bite of a salmon croquette in my highschool cafeteria, I was class of 1978. I can't stand the smell of it. I don't like tuna either, and if there's a sardine or anchovie within a yard of a pizza count me out. In fact I don't like pizza all that much anymore anyway.

I'll eat fish or shrimp breaded and deep fried, also lobster but I'm not that find of it broiled, too much fishy taste.

If I was going to try something new it would probably be shark.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 6:41:30 PM   
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"Since you only eat to live, we will feel free to ignore your culinary tastes. "

Most of you don't have the teeth to eat what I like. When I eat chicken I gnaw on the bones, eat the cartilage an so forth. I suck the marrow. I eat peanuts in the shell. I also used to eat shrimp tails but got sick of the pieces getting stuck in between my teeth. Also when I get the end of a slab of ribs I eat those yet to be formed bones.

Sometime I'll eat a raw clove of garlic. I put unrefined sea salt on evertything that takes salt, too much of it if I can, and my blood pressure is excellent, in fact the doc said I could live to be 100.

That all started years ago yes, when stopped living to eat and started eating to live. This cured several maladies including bad knees and a bad back. Neither one has pained me in a very long time. And I also don't use sugar or anything hydrogenated. In fact I don't use any sweeteners at all. I also fry things in bacon grease.

And now that I stopped smoking cidarettes a bit over a month ago I almost feel as if I can fly.

How about y'all ?

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It would probably be more correct to state that most of us have taste buds. :P

Bacon grease contains saturated fats. It may not be hydrogenated in the chemical sense, but that doesn't make it healthy.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 7:51:11 PM   
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Can you imagine being a poor little farmed salmon with a hord of those disgusting sea lice sucking away on you your entire life?
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/dirty-secrets-of-farmed-salmon/content?oid=1380701


No. I endeavor to never anthropomorphisize my entrées.

I am completely against anyone bringing food to the table that still has its eyes. Yes, this means I never order crayfish.


what about appetizers?


Ya know that spinach and artichoke dip you can order? Many years ago a friend of mine did not know what artichokes were. She was rather upset at the thought of eating artichoke hearts. Her husband and I found a cage and put eyes and such on an artichoke as a present to her. I won't mentioned what I gave as a gift to my friend that was the baby seal lover.

But, no, I do not tend to give human attributes to appetizers either.

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I guess you wouldnt like the deep fried heads from sweet raw shrimp then.

Perhaps you could put teeny-tiny blind folds on them for me. Or I could send you some Barbie sunglasses.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 7:53:21 PM   
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I also fry things in bacon grease.


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It would probably be more correct to state that most of us have taste buds. :P

Bacon grease contains saturated fats. It may not be hydrogenated in the chemical sense, but that doesn't make it healthy.


Dev ~ it is a guy thing. Bacon = Heaven.

The way to a man's heart? Pan gravy. No, really, it is.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 7:55:09 PM   
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Can you imagine being a poor little farmed salmon with a hord of those disgusting sea lice sucking away on you your entire life?
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/dirty-secrets-of-farmed-salmon/content?oid=1380701


No. I endeavor to never anthropomorphisize my entrées.

I am completely against anyone bringing food to the table that still has its eyes. Yes, this means I never order crayfish.


what about appetizers?


Ya know that spinach and artichoke dip you can order? Many years ago a friend of mine did not know what artichokes were. She was rather upset at the thought of eating artichoke hearts. Her husband and I found a cage and put eyes and such on an artichoke as a present to her. I won't mentioned what I gave as a gift to my friend that was the baby seal lover.

But, no, I do not tend to give human attributes to appetizers either.

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I guess you wouldnt like the deep fried heads from sweet raw shrimp then.

Perhaps you could put teeny-tiny blind folds on them for me. Or I could send you some Barbie sunglasses.


lmao at artichoke hearts!

It would be easier to blindfold you, but youre the wrong orientation, dammit!

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 7:56:28 PM   
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I also fry things in bacon grease.


T^T


It would probably be more correct to state that most of us have taste buds. :P

Bacon grease contains saturated fats. It may not be hydrogenated in the chemical sense, but that doesn't make it healthy.


Dev ~ it is a guy thing. Bacon = Heaven.

The way to a man's heart? Pan gravy. No, really, it is.


With grits? Dayum raight.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 8:03:46 PM   
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lmao at artichoke hearts!

It would be easier to blindfold you, but youre the wrong orientation, dammit!


Oh HELL no!

I had TWO sisters. "Open your mouth and close your eyes and you will get a big surprise!" I do not think so.

I want to SEE my food. I do not want it to see me.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 8:05:01 PM   
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I also fry things in bacon grease.


T^T


It would probably be more correct to state that most of us have taste buds. :P

Bacon grease contains saturated fats. It may not be hydrogenated in the chemical sense, but that doesn't make it healthy.


Dev ~ it is a guy thing. Bacon = Heaven.

The way to a man's heart? Pan gravy. No, really, it is.


With grits? Dayum raight.


Regular grits or cheese grits? LOL And can they be from GMO corn? (Just stayin' on topic.)

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 8:13:48 PM   
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Sorry if your body can't handle them. But there is a whole bunch of shit I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole that others eat. Thus the contention that gets me hated by the politically correct crowd, that we have different body chemistries and require different diets. You see that steps on the notion that we are all the same under the skin and therefore incurs wrath from the sheeple.

I heard stories about Florida where when they put people in jail from certain islands they have to give them a special diet. I'm told it is totally gross, some sort of mush and smells and tastes terrible. But they eat it up, and if they try to eat for example a hamburger, they will throw up.

It doesn't really matter when it comes to GMOs anyway. Even if they are totally safe they still have one thing negative. Anything that increases yield per acre or gallon or whatever is not putting more nutrients in the food. You get the same amount of nutrients but more pounds of food. They get paid more for the same or less.

But what the end result is, is that in each head of brocolli, in each ear of corn, in eaach potato, in each grain of wheat, there are less of the nutrients we need to live. Faster growth exaserbates the situation even further. What happens to an organism that gets the required calories, or stuffing or whatever, but does not get the essential nutrients therefrom ?

Well you can expect poor health, skyrocketing medical costs and........ oh wait, that's already happening.

And I also assert that a healthy body is one that can fight off infections and diseases, as well as a little bit of poison now and then, even saturated fats.

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RE: How safe are GMO's? - 9/18/2011 8:20:07 PM   
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I also fry things in bacon grease.


T^T


It would probably be more correct to state that most of us have taste buds. :P

Bacon grease contains saturated fats. It may not be hydrogenated in the chemical sense, but that doesn't make it healthy.


Dev ~ it is a guy thing. Bacon = Heaven.

The way to a man's heart? Pan gravy. No, really, it is.


With grits? Dayum raight.


Regular grits or cheese grits? LOL And can they be from GMO corn? (Just stayin' on topic.)


Regular...too good to drown in cheese! And yes GMO is fine in my kitchen!

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