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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 5:17:08 AM   
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I do not like abortion but I really REALLY wish those that oppose it would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.





LaT's statement could just as easily have read

I believe in personal choice but I really REALLY wish those that support abortion would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.



Except abortion *IS* necessary. And it's not for me, you, or anyone else to be passing judgement over someone else's decisions, is it?

You stay out of other people's business, and they'll stay out of yours.

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 5:49:10 AM   
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If someone lost control of their car, hopped the sidewalk and mowed these nitwits down, I would acquit them.


My daughter, while she was living with me after geting her undergraduate degree, used to go to a doctor in Brookline, MA. Anti-choice demonstrators were always outside protesting, but she did her best to ignore them. One time, however, as she was on her way in for her annual check-up, an anti-choice demonstrator tried to block the entrance, screaming at her “Don’t kill your baby!” (stupidly assuming that any woman entering was there for an abortion and not for any other reason). When my daughter tried to step around her, the demonstrator grabbed her arm - and my daughter (a 6th-degree Kempo Karate Black Belt) broke the demonstrator’s nose with one quick punch. The anti-choice demonstrators demanded that she be arrested for assault and battery, but the policemen there all claimed that they didn’t see a thing and that the demonstrator probably just slipped and fell on the sidewalk.

Several weeks later, anti-choice demonstrator John Salvi went into that same doctor’s office and shot and killed several of the staff. He committed suicide in prison but is still considered by some a “hero” of the anti-choice movement.

John Salvi III

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John Salvi's actions resulted in the death of babykilling abortion mill workers Shannon Lowney and Leanne Nichols, plus the wounding of five others.

These evil people were part of the hit team that murder helpless unborn children in Massachusetts. They reaped what they sowed.

Why were their lives worth more then the lives of the helpless babies they helped murder?

On December 30, 1994 AD, John Salvi III walked into two Brookline abortion mills to stop the murders by using a 22 caliber rifle. First he fired shots into the Planned Parenthood Clinic of Greater Boston, located at 1031 Beacon St., killing Shannon Lowney and wounding three other abortion mill workers.

Salvi then went down the street to Pre-term Health Services located at 1842 Beacon St., killing Lee Ann Nichols and wounding two other abortion mill workers. John Salvi III stop the killing the only way he possible could. Thinking about the babies being murdered in these two death camps was too much for John to bear without doing what he could to save their lives. He did the right thing and stopped the killing of the children.

After a six week sham trial, the 24-year-old ex-altar boy was convicted of murder and given two consecutive life terms in prison.

November 1996 AD, eight months into his sentence, John Salvi was "found dead" in his maximum security prison cell.

Luckily, my daughter's follow-up doctor appointment wasn't until later that day - or she might have been one of those people shot by John Salvi III, "hero" of the anti-choice movement.

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 7:40:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to be contemptuous of protesters in general. Granting some exceptions, I can’t help but wonder why they waste their time on mindless chanting that accomplishes nothing (except to harden the hearts of those they wish to convince) when they could spend their time more productively with positive action. People going hungry? Work to promote community gardens and urban farming. People going cold in the winter? Volunteer at the local clothes closet or start one if there isn’t one. Babies being aborted? Work toward more comprehensive sex education and greater availability of birth control (yeah… I know… some people think that’ll make Jesus cry… but that is the more productive action). In other words: quit your whining and get off your ass and do something.

As for this particular protest, if the protesters are not disrupting the student’s education in any way then they have a perfect right to conduct their protest. They may be a bunch of tactless dinkwads who get off on sniffing their own farts but freedom and rights apply to everyone (otherwise the very words are meaningless), not just decent people (AKA: people who agree with me). As the old saying goes: I may disagree with what you say but… well… to be perfectly honest I probably wouldn’t defend some assholes rights to the death… but I’ll being cheering on anyone who does (there are some actions I’m not willing to do and taking a bullet for a tactless dink is one of them).

The way to counter such legitimate (if asinine) protests is a counter protest (this would be one of the above mentioned exceptions). I’m a big fan of the silent treatment. Just gather around the dinks, turn your backs upon them and say nothing. I’m also a big fan of the fundraising for other side technique. In this case, set up a booth to collect donations for Planned Parenthood.

This could also be used as an education opportunity for the teachers inside the school by holding discussion on rights and where the lines are drawn and what the proper responses to protests we disagree with are. A debate could be held on the pros and cons of abortion and abortion rights. Perhaps the students could make signs (either in opposition or in favor) of the protester’s stance to hang in the window.


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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 7:57:10 AM   
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Arent you the same brainless jerkoff who started a thread bawling and crying about some supposed veiled threat from Breitbart

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If someone lost control of their car, hopped the sidewalk and mowed these nitwits down, I would acquit them.



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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 7:57:44 AM   
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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 7:58:16 AM   
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What was that, my dear?


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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 8:06:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I do not like abortion but I really REALLY wish those that oppose it would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.





LaT's statement could just as easily have read

I believe in personal choice but I really REALLY wish those that support abortion would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.




Except that I do not ever see a pro choice person standing on a street corner near a planned parenthood, holding a huge, full colour, poster of a mangled fetus and believing that is acceptable propaganda.


Yes, and the pro-choicers take care that the real mangled fetuses are kept well out of view.

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 8:08:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I do not like abortion but I really REALLY wish those that oppose it would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.





LaT's statement could just as easily have read

I believe in personal choice but I really REALLY wish those that support abortion would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.



Except abortion *IS* necessary. And it's not for me, you, or anyone else to be passing judgement over someone else's decisions, is it?

You stay out of other people's business, and they'll stay out of yours.


Bullshit. Every law that exists passes judgements over someone else's decisions.

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 9:51:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I do not like abortion but I really REALLY wish those that oppose it would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.





LaT's statement could just as easily have read

I believe in personal choice but I really REALLY wish those that support abortion would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.



Except abortion *IS* necessary. And it's not for me, you, or anyone else to be passing judgement over someone else's decisions, is it?

You stay out of other people's business, and they'll stay out of yours.


Bullshit. Every law that exists passes judgements over someone else's decisions.


Yeah, and the law is on my side saying that abortion is legal. But no-one is forcing you to get one.

Now stay out of other people's lives and worry about yours.

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 10:30:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I do not like abortion but I really REALLY wish those that oppose it would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.





LaT's statement could just as easily have read

I believe in personal choice but I really REALLY wish those that support abortion would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.



Except abortion *IS* necessary. And it's not for me, you, or anyone else to be passing judgement over someone else's decisions, is it?

You stay out of other people's business, and they'll stay out of yours.


Bullshit. Every law that exists passes judgements over someone else's decisions.


Yeah, and the law is on my side saying that abortion is legal. But no-one is forcing you to get one.

Now stay out of other people's lives and worry about yours.


For those like you with short memory, I am pro-choice. I am against specious arguments of many of those who support abortion, particularly late term abortion.

So, the answer to your typically rude post is "stay out of the baby's life and worry about yours".

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 11:33:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		SO this was the original question

"The average age of a 6th grade student is 12 years old.
This 12 year old girl does not perform abortions, she does not work in the clinic, she does not own the building where the clinic rents space (her dad does) - is she a legitimate target for anti-abortion protestors?
Suppose she was not a 6th grader, but a 1st grader (age 6) or a kindergarten student (age 5) - should she be a legitimate target for anti-abortion protestors? "
 
Yet it seems that here, as happened in front of the school, it's pretty much...

Fuck those kids, I got something to say and everyone has to listen !!!!
I feel bad for those kids, I know these are issues everyone is facing, FFS, can't kids just be kids for a little part of their life, with out being subjected to adult stupidity?
 
Yeah lets act like assholes and call it freedom of speech.
 
I also don't know about that school, but in this area alot of the elementry schools are IN residential areas, surrounded by homes. I don't think I would be too happy if I had a bunch of assholes, protesting ANYTHING, out in front of my home.
 
 



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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 11:40:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		It wasnt during school hours. It was within the laws of that community. The police were present. Not sure what else you want done. If you want schools off limits to protesting, then begin a campaign to change the laws.

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 11:42:54 AM   
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SO this was the original question

"The average age of a 6th grade student is 12 years old.
This 12 year old girl does not perform abortions, she does not work in the clinic, she does not own the building where the clinic rents space (her dad does) - is she a legitimate target for anti-abortion protestors?
Suppose she was not a 6th grader, but a 1st grader (age 6) or a kindergarten student (age 5) - should she be a legitimate target for anti-abortion protestors? "
 
Yet it seems that here, as happened in front of the school, it's pretty much...

Fuck those kids, I got something to say and everyone has to listen !!!!
I feel bad for those kids, I know these are issues everyone is facing, FFS, can't kids just be kids for a little part of their life, with out being subjected to adult stupidity?
 
Yeah lets act like assholes and call it freedom of speech.
 
I also don't know about that school, but in this area alot of the elementry schools are IN residential areas, surrounded by homes. I don't think I would be too happy if I had a bunch of assholes, protesting ANYTHING, out in front of my home.
 
 





If it is true that it was at night when the kids were not at school I have much less problem with it. As far as the assholes protesting anything out in front of your home, let us know when your case is heard by the SCOTUS.

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 11:53:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Should I point out (yet again) that everybody who's saying that abortion is wrong and shouldn't be allowed in this thread belongs to the half of the human race that can't get pregnant?

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 11:56:19 AM   
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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 11:59:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		It just strikes me (as it always does) that it's guys making excuses for that. The posters on that side who sit down to pee have been saying that they don't like abortion but it's not illegal, so it's no reason to hassle kids.
The pro life lads, on the other hand...

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 12:04:31 PM   
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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 12:10:32 PM   
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Those are all guys as well, unsurprisingly.

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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 12:13:19 PM   
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many of these see it as an entitlement,but it isnt


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RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? - 9/21/2011 12:17:40 PM   
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Which just makes the fact that there's a huge overlap between the antichoice people and the Republicans who spend all their free time bitching about social spending on unearned entitlements even funnier...

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