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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Between fuel taxes, license fees, tolls and various taxes on transportation related activities, the roads budget is smaller than the total tax take.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
No, you did not educate them. You babysat them for 12 years. Then I hired them, taught them how to be responsible and show up for work, taught them how to communicate in clear sentences, taught them that there are rights and wrongs and (unlike with your schools) wrongs have consequences in the workplace. Then paid for extended education for my employees so they could continue to improve themselves and better add value to what we do around here.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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No more <haha> bigotry than the industrialists pushing an agenda that sounds more like they SHOULDN'T have to pay taxes.

Probably not. Biogtry is the default setting of the human race. It just tends to irk me a little more when it comes out of the wing of politics that like to imagine itself as unbigoted.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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A corporation consists of shareholders, who may or may not have paid for the local services at least, and may not even be in this country.

True, but only to a limited extent. Most corporations are smaller, local concerns and not the large, international monsters people tend to think when they hear the word.

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I see where this is going, but a corporation, like, say GE, that does not pay taxes IS a parasite.

Most corporations are not big enough to buy their own Presidents and skip out of paying taxes. While I agree that they should pay like everyone else I'm still not comfortable calling them parasites for the above mentioned reason and because GE does employ a lot of people (who pay taxes).

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How about the church property - property ONLY ! - for which the church pays ZERO, and yet gets full benefits should they need it. Estimates in Denver are that 20-25% of the LAND doesn't pay property tax since owned by Roman Catholic Church.

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I totally disagree, we have to listen to the opposite message every time we turn on a news broadcast or pick up a major news paper.

I said nothing that should indicate that I wish to censor Elizabeth Warren or anyone else.

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Which by and large he is.

The wear and tear on those roads that he heaps on compared to all other individuals is not equitably proportionally taxed....and so on.....

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Yet just yesterday you tried to deny that faux outrage of some right wingers over Obama doing things every President has done was not the result of bigotry.

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Some of the response was about how I feel about whats ACTUALLY going one in the world outside your posts (however prophetic they may seem to you) .... I mean apart from the gross over use of the word 'bigotry'

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Hmmm

A business is started on a piece of property... are the roads already there? Then yes, the rest of us did pay for those roads.. not just the business owner.

I believe the point of the quote was lost on many people... as I feared it would be.

The point was... no business owner, you didnt do it alone. You had lots and lots and lots of help from the taxpayers when you needed help to get started. Yet now, you dont want to help out those taxpayers who helped you out when you needed help.

Where anyone saw bigotry in that quote... lol.... ok.. that made me laugh.

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The clear implication is that the factory owner did not contribute to the roads, schools, etc., but was only sucking off of "the rest of us."

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

That sounds like, you build a factory, you no longer are responsible for any taxes, not federal, not state, no property taxes - nada.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

not only that.. but the big, huge assumption here is that this factory/business actually survives and makes any money.. which considering the stats, is not the fate for the majority of new businesses (especially under 5 years)... which means the $$ invested and put at risk is borne by the owner of the business/factory/corporation.. The owner doesnt get to collect unemployment insurance either, he had better have an emergency fund if he doesnt want to end up homeless on that nicely paved street..

And many entreprenuers have had several businesses fail before they actually get one that survives..

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Wow,in a quote discussing the social compact of a society you read all of that into it.I missed that completely

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You are always looking for exclusionary comments.

And, it does amuse me.

Now, let me ask you. Im sure someone could answer this question for me.

Sp, now we are back to Warren's quote.