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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 12:04:54 AM   
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Its kind of pathetic that you would hijack your own thread to go on your homophobic rants...

You owe the board  an apology taz. You really should seek out some appropriate sensitivity training, and see a therapist about your fear and loathing of gays






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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 12:15:33 AM   
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Its kind of pathetic that you would hijack your own thread to go on your homophobic rants...

You owe the board  an apology taz. You really should seek out some appropriate sensitivity training, and see a therapist about your fear and loathing of gays






Awwww you can spell.... eventually you will understand the meanings of the words... maybe.


I think it's pretty obvious he was talking about the implication you made that oral sex between men was bad and worthy of mockery.

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I just find it hilarious the way you are drooling all over his balls.

Way to go in coming out of the closet!


Personally I couldn't give less of a fuck about that sort of thing since it's usually more in the vernacular than any real hatred, but don't try to pretend you didn't realize what he meant.


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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 12:19:24 AM   
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Its kind of pathetic that you would hijack your own thread to go on your homophobic rants...

You owe the board  an apology taz. You really should seek out some appropriate sensitivity training, and see a therapist about your fear and loathing of gays






Awwww you can spell.... eventually you will understand the meanings of the words... maybe.

Don't hold your breathe tazzy ........

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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 12:31:41 AM   
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I think it's pretty obvious he was talking about the implication you made that oral sex between men was bad and worthy of mockery.

Nope, you are wrong. insanity is worthy of mockery. in every possible context. in every way.

Personally I couldn't give less of a fuck about that sort of thing since it's usually more in the vernacular than any real hatred, but don't try to pretend you didn't realize what he meant.

You want to jump on his "poor pity wagon" be my guest.

Eventually you will learn. Obviously you do give a fuck or you wouldnt have posted about it.


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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 12:32:46 AM   
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Oh tweak.. I am ever the eternal optimist.

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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 5:55:18 AM   
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Right, resort to homophobic remarks in an effort to derail the thread, then call others insane.

That makes perfect sense...

Seriously - get help.

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I think it's pretty obvious he was talking about the implication you made that oral sex between men was bad and worthy of mockery.

Nope, you are wrong. insanity is worthy of mockery. in every possible context. in every way.

Personally I couldn't give less of a fuck about that sort of thing since it's usually more in the vernacular than any real hatred, but don't try to pretend you didn't realize what he meant.

You want to jump on his "poor pity wagon" be my guest.

Eventually you will learn. Obviously you do give a fuck or you wouldnt have posted about it.



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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 6:03:49 AM   
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I think it's pretty obvious he was talking about the implication you made that oral sex between men was bad and worthy of mockery.


Musta been lousy oral sex then Lucy is a big fan of oral sex. Oka y, well maybe I jusy wish she was.


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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 6:14:05 AM   
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Shes running so she has a job after 2012.


Dropped on your head at birth? Last time I checked, serving as a professor of Law at Harvard University Law School is a pretty good job. I know you don't like to refer to non-republicans as employed because it reflects very badly on out of work deadbeats living of handouts from the mega rich and corporations such as Mitt Romney. Hell even Perry has a job right now. I think perhaps Romney and Gingrich are the only out of work corporate welfare recipients in the race right now... Your Laughs candidate Gary Johnson is going town to town doing John Wayne Gacey impressions for money (okay, well they drop money when they scream and run... it's still more honest than Mitt's act).



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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 6:15:13 AM   
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You're right with blinders strapped firmly on... But regardless of what New Yawkahs like yourself think about her... We, the people of the COMMONWEALTH of Massachusetts (WHICH in proper context is "the rest of us" that actually matters)... think she'll make a FINE REPLACEMENT FOR SCOTT BROWN.


Actuallty, I think I'm one of the few around here without blinders on. I refuse to automatically fall in line and join the bash fest of whoever or whatever without looking into it a little. As for Elizabeth Warren, I don't know enough about her to have an opinion about her one way or another... my comments are about the quote, and the underlying - and unquestioned - bigotry I see in it.

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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 6:23:02 AM   
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You are always looking for exclusionary comments.


Because I know what it's like to be at the recieving end of exclusion and thus I have no desire to be part of a mob that inflicts that on others. I'm very sensative to it.

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And, it does amuse me.


You should question why that is.

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Now, let me ask you. Im sure someone could answer this question for me.

A corporation is expected to pay taxes on profit. yet, according to the GAO, between 1997 and 2005, 66% of US corporations paid no taxes.. and 67% of foreign held corporations paid none... yet.. collectively... they totaled trillions of dollars in sales.

The GAO study did not investigate why corporations weren’t paying federal income taxes or corporate taxes and it did not identify any corporations by name. It said companies may escape paying such taxes due to operating losses or because of tax credits.

Sp, now we are back to Warren's quote.


Even if we presume the GAO's figures to be accurate it still has nothing to do with the point I am making... that presumption is often based upon bigotry and leads to exclusion which is the first step down a dark path... which is why the human race is so fucked up. The solution to our problem will never be found in legislation... but in the depths of our own souls.

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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 6:53:25 AM   
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Actuallty, I think I'm one of the few around here without blinders on. I refuse to automatically fall in line and join the bash fest of whoever or whatever without looking into it a little. As for Elizabeth Warren, I don't know enough about her to have an opinion about her one way or another... my comments are about the quote, and the underlying - and unquestioned - bigotry I see in it.


Hey call me a jurisdictional snob if you want but I'm gonna go with "She's from Massachusetts. Why not let the voters there decide" If you look back to my posts concerning folks with a regional aspect to them, I generally leave it to the locals.
As far as your laser -like focus on what you term bigotry. We locals have been hearing all her other speeches and we understand the context is not about the small and mid-size businesses that to a large extent give back to the social contract. And you don;t have to be a communist as soon as you say 'social contract' as some have (not you, unless it was by implication). But what Ms. Warren is saying NEEDS to be addressed in THIS region. One thing that is not being given a lot of press, is that companies all over massachusetts that were given sweetheart deals under Romney and Salucci Swift (largely due to the fact the govt is desperately trying to attract NEW business and can't break the njunkie-like cycle of giving corporations tax holidays for moving here). All good Republicans "who know what business needs to grow" ... AKA a free ride. Of course NOW, we're seeing all over northern and central and western mass (as well as southern new hampshire), since about the time their golden parachutes ran out, an exodus of those very same companies. It's a real shame that when we as residents of Massachusetts try to take their state back from promoters of corporations steering government instead of the general electorate, that they have to weather cat calling from outside the voting jurisdiction.
As sanity said but probably not meaning it in a genuine sense. Clean up your own house while we get ours in order, and we'll see your two in DC and take it from there.



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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 7:11:21 AM   
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Actuallty, I think I'm one of the few around here without blinders on. I refuse to automatically fall in line and join the bash fest of whoever or whatever without looking into it a little. As for Elizabeth Warren, I don't know enough about her to have an opinion about her one way or another... my comments are about the quote, and the underlying - and unquestioned - bigotry I see in it.


Hey call me a jurisdictional snob if you want but I'm gonna go with "She's from Massachusetts. Why not let the voters there decide" If you look back to my posts concerning folks with a regional aspect to them, I generally leave it to the locals.
As far as your laser -like focus on what you term bigotry. We locals have been hearing all her other speeches and we understand the context is not about the small and mid-size businesses that to a large extent give back to the social contract. And you don;t have to be a communist as soon as you say 'social contract' as some have (not you, unless it was by implication). But what Ms. Warren is saying NEEDS to be addressed in THIS region. One thing that is not being given a lot of press, is that companies all over massachusetts that were given sweetheart deals under Romney and Salucci Swift (largely due to the fact the govt is desperately trying to attract NEW business and can't break the njunkie-like cycle of giving corporations tax holidays for moving here). All good Republicans "who know what business needs to grow" ... AKA a free ride. Of course NOW, we're seeing all over northern and central and western mass (as well as southern new hampshire), since about the time their golden parachutes ran out, an exodus of those very same companies. It's a real shame that when we as residents of Massachusetts try to take their state back from promoters of corporations steering government instead of the general electorate, that they have to weather cat calling from outside the voting jurisdiction.
As sanity said but probably not meaning it in a genuine sense. Clean up your own house while we get ours in order, and we'll see your two in DC and take it from there.




What's clear is that Warren was referring to larger corporations. What confuses that point is the use of a GAO report tossed in by Taz, to support the idea behind Warren's words,  that includes statistics that are not specific to the quote. Not only does it include statistics not germane to the text in question, but make no bones about the fact they didn't care to look into causes. In the time period covered by the GAO report, half the businesses in America failed. I suppose that's covered in the disclaimer language at the bottom referring to "operating losses".

As for it being a local issue, that may in fact be the case. That's not what this thread was thrown out to be however. Nor does it address the point that states courting business is a national issue, one heightened in both intensity and practice by the fact that not only has business left specific regions in droves over taxes, regulations and costs, but the country as well.


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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 7:22:13 AM   
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one heightened in both intensity and practice by the fact that not only has business left specific regions in droves over taxes, regulations and costs, but the country as well.


costs? employee costs, undoubtably.
taxes? Jeez, that just don't have alot of credible citeable fact behind it.
regulations? Jeez, that just don't have alot of credible citeable fact behind it.

Businesses may be leaving regions in droves, although I am not sure where, it would be the first I heard of it, and I do read alot of papers and scan alot of news.

However; I will provide this as fixed fact(it is rather ubitquious, been in credible citeable media for several years):

Many companies (once they saw the Bush Tax cuts extended) have posted record profits.
Many companies who are headquartered in the US have shipped jobs and manufacturing overseas in droves.
Some companies have shipped or expanded large operations overseas in growing economies while this economy is still languishing.




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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 7:25:26 AM   
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Hey call me a jurisdictional snob if you want but I'm gonna go with "She's from Massachusetts. Why not let the voters there decide" If you look back to my posts concerning folks with a regional aspect to them, I generally leave it to the locals.


You're talking to a guy who is a firm believer in greater local autonomy versus concentrated federal power. I am neither for or against Elizabeth Warren. My comments are strictly in regard to the one quote.

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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 7:28:33 AM   
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one heightened in both intensity and practice by the fact that not only has business left specific regions in droves over taxes, regulations and costs, but the country as well.


costs? employee costs, undoubtably.
taxes? Jeez, that just don't have alot of credible citeable fact behind it.
regulations? Jeez, that just don't have alot of credible citeable fact behind it.

Businesses may be leaving regions in droves, although I am not sure where, it would be the first I heard of it, and I do read alot of papers and scan alot of news.

However; I will provide this as fixed fact(it is rather ubitquious, been in credible citeable media for several years):

Many companies (once they saw the Bush Tax cuts extended) have posted record profits.
Many companies who are headquartered in the US have shipped jobs and manufacturing overseas in droves.
Some companies have shipped or expanded large operations overseas in growing economies while this economy is still languishing.





Business and businesses are different concepts, the point being exactly what you said, i.e. "Many companies who are headquartered in the US have shipped jobs and manufacturing overseas in droves."

As for taxes, we'll wait for someone to weigh in on sweet-heart deals before we talk about that one.  Fact though, in courting business, taxes are often one of the first chips on the bargaining table.


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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 7:41:03 AM   
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What's clear is that Warren was referring to larger corporations. What confuses that point is the use of a GAO report tossed in by Taz, to support the idea behind Warren's words, that includes statistics that are not specific to the quote. Not only does it include statistics not germane to the text in question, but make no bones about the fact they didn't care to look into causes. In the time period covered by the GAO report, half the businesses in America failed. I suppose that's covered in the disclaimer language at the bottom referring to "operating losses".


Then I need to start off with an acknowledgement that I missed a post somewhere and associated the data with you as the provider. Sorry.
   And in short, the companies that have screwed us were in general employers of 500 or more and while they cited Romney Care as a reason for leaving in many cases, almost universally, they were in the first or second year of paying real taxes and it was at the end of their appeals to sweeten things. The right ALWAYS says "who's going to pay for it?" We just want to know "When THE FUCK are you going to pay for it?" In regard to big corporations. Back in dot-com, WE, massachusetts were the other silicon valley and many may remember "Outside 128" grew to "Outside 495" and all the while we were giving sweet deals to start-ups and things were growing. I was at one in fact. Ya know when I started to notice it getting ugly? When Intel, Sunn, IBM Cisco, Nortel and other goliaths started buying the little guys. They weren't getting the sweetheart deals, so they gutted and moved out ... that was our experience. Romney was at the tail end of that, and just basically gave shit away to keep things afloat. And then miraculously created mandatory healthcare because it had gotten so brutal here ... he KNEW that would be a national issue going forward. And he knew because of his presidential aspirations, he could leave any form of wreckage he wanted behind and it wouldn't really look like it was coming apart at the seems till he was long gone.
   So we just want out voice in the senate back. That's all. And I sure as hell don't mind if you take issue with something she puts on the senate floor, cause well, that's part of the national debate and we are all OWED that. But this business of taking her down from out of state before she is even elected, that's a powerful warning signal we need to heed.
  And not referring to anything you've posted of course... when this outside interference becomes an issue. people within the party doing it should GET ENRAGED an take that behavior back to their own leaders and offer them a resounding FUCK OFF.
It borders on election tampering at that level. And down in DC the memos are flying

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As for it being a local issue, that may in fact be the case. That's not what this thread was thrown out to be however. Nor does it address the point that states courting business is a national issue, one heightened in both intensity and practice by the fact that not only has business left specific regions in droves over taxes, regulations and costs, but the country as well.


Well, it wasn't my OP ... But I will reiterate... the left in drove from here because they finally had expired their deals and weren't planning to pay taxes. And a lot of em have moved to areas like Texas, the south, etc. And when they're asked to pay taxes there, my guess is those folks will hear the hissing too.


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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 7:45:28 AM   
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You're talking to a guy who is a firm believer in greater local autonomy versus concentrated federal power. I am neither for or against Elizabeth Warren. My comments are strictly in regard to the one quote.


Conducting preemptive strikes on those who you feel oppose your philosophy IN ANOTHER MAN'S VOTING DISTRICT... sure doesn't illustrate that.... but good for you.

Perhaps you can wait till WE ELECT HER to voice your objections to OUR GOVERNANCE ... least then it can be over her conduct in the national debate.



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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 7:50:28 AM   
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Agreed, actually on all accounts.

Every time I see a local issue swamped by outside interests that have zero respect for, acknowledgement of, or acceptance of local issues in favor of playing the national game, it just irks the fuck out of me. Makes me want a politician who will stand up and say, fuck off. This is our fight, not yours.





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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 8:07:24 AM   
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Every time I see a local issue swamped by outside interests that have zero respect for, acknowledgement of, or acceptance of local issues in favor of playing the national game, it just irks the fuck out of me. Makes me want a politician who will stand up and say, fuck off. This is our fight, not yours.


And if ya see me giving in to a passion for an aspect of some argument and crossing that line. I would actually welcome a tap on the shoulder and a reminder ... just please don't use any plumbing parts


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RE: Elizabeth Warren quote - 9/26/2011 8:23:30 AM   
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it just irks the fuck out of me. Makes me want a politician who will stand up and say, fuck off. This is our fight, not yours.


REALLY ... doesn't it just piss ya off we don't have representatives like that any more> Hell, I  even miss guys like Strom Thurmond for reasons JUST like that ... "Mistah ChoorMon..... MISTAH CHOORMON" Or Tip O'Neill.. And let's not forget Bob Dole... My Dad was a VERY loyal Democrat and State Commandant of the VFWs in my home state. And I remember one time some you korean vet who had political aspirations taking cheap shots at Dole.Dad basically jacked the clown up the wall and said "Don't mistake party lines for IQ lines kid. Bob Dole sacrificed greatly for this country and gets up there every day and has everyone's back. Let's see you do as well". That character was in politics through the 90s got kicked out of the democratic party and went republican rather successfully  had to leave a mayoral seat one time for kidnapping of a local state rep and resigned for a wave on prosecution, and even had a mayoral comeback. Of course fortunes reversed again when the FBI bagged him  for a city-wide extortion / embezzlement scheme... And now he's a mconservative talk radio show host and doing rather nicely.
    Yeah, I miss those guys alright and frankly, I think people like the guy I just described are the very PRODUCT of their not being here.



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