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LillyBoPeep -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 12:22:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper What I think is funniest is that these poor guys and gals serve every day of their career in protection of, among other things, our right to free speech. And we stand back here and allow public opinion and the legislature play games with that right when it comes to them. POINTS.

Aneirin -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 12:26:00 PM)
I have also served in the military and there were homosexuals, even though at the time being a homosexual in the UK armed forces was illegal, one I even knew used it to get out of the forces, admin discharge in 24 hours, but of those people they knew where the line in the sand is and did not cross it, so I believe it is complete horse shit to think homosexual men will be cruising for ass all the time, and could not be trusted, because guess what, as human being we don't have to shag like dogs all the time as we can choose to turn our desires off.

TreasureKY -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 4:30:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin I have also served in the military and there were homosexuals, even though at the time being a homosexual in the UK armed forces was illegal, one I even knew used it to get out of the forces, admin discharge in 24 hours, but of those people they knew where the line in the sand is and did not cross it, so I believe it is complete horse shit to think homosexual men will be cruising for ass all the time, and could not be trusted, because guess what, as human being we don't have to shag like dogs all the time as we can choose to turn our desires off. One, I think you kinda missed my point. It isn't about homosexuals cruising for ass or not being able to control themselves and their behavior. It's about the other soldiers being placed in the uncomfortable position of feeling exposed and objectified. Two... sorry, but my understanding is that all men cruise for ass all the time. I've heard it has something to do with their hormones. [8D]

Kirata -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 4:38:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY my understanding is that all men cruise for ass all the time. I've heard it has something to do with their hormones. [8D] Nonsense. We're not looking for it. It's just that it's all around us. [:D] K.

TreasureKY -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 4:46:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY my understanding is that all men cruise for ass all the time. I've heard it has something to do with their hormones. [8D] Nonsense. We're not looking for it. It's just that it's all around us. [:D] K. Of course. [:D] Now imagine that you lived in close quarters with 30 to 40 physically fit, young women... able to see them undress and shower every day. [;)]

Aneirin -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 7:07:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin I have also served in the military and there were homosexuals, even though at the time being a homosexual in the UK armed forces was illegal, one I even knew used it to get out of the forces, admin discharge in 24 hours, but of those people they knew where the line in the sand is and did not cross it, so I believe it is complete horse shit to think homosexual men will be cruising for ass all the time, and could not be trusted, because guess what, as human being we don't have to shag like dogs all the time as we can choose to turn our desires off. One, I think you kinda missed my point. It isn't about homosexuals cruising for ass or not being able to control themselves and their behavior. It's about the other soldiers being placed in the uncomfortable position of feeling exposed and objectified. Two... sorry, but my understanding is that all men cruise for ass all the time. I've heard it has something to do with their hormones. [8D] Oh diddums, the squaddies I served with were all for being objectified, most of them loved themselves so much they brought in full length mirrors. Anyway, roughy toughy squaddie would they have such sensibilities, have they said, or is it others not involved are making that judgment for them ? But, if they have whispered in someone's ear, just think if these people are that weak, how the fuck do they defend our countries, they can't stand someone of the same gender looking at their ass, but they can put up with people trying to kill them in any way possible, does not compute I am afraid. And regards males in general and their hormones, you have obviously heard wrong, or was that a stereotype you heard about ?

TreasureKY -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 7:24:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Oh diddums, the squaddies I served with were all for being objectified, most of them loved themselves so much they brought in full length mirrors. Anyway, roughy toughy squaddie would they have such sensibilities, have they said, or is it others not involved are making that judgment for them ? But, if they have whispered in someone's ear, just think if these people are that weak, how the fuck do they defend our countries, they can't stand someone of the same gender looking at their ass, but they can put up with people trying to kill them in any way possible, does not compute I am afraid. So... you don't care how other people feel, and would rather judge them according to your standards and belittle them for their feelings. Sure... okay, fine. Whatever. [sm=dunno.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin And regards males in general and their hormones, you have obviously heard wrong, or was that a stereotype you heard about ? I guess the meaning of my [8D] was over your head. Sorry.

Aneirin -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 7:49:49 PM)
I care how other people feel, most of my life is consumed with it, but you didn't answer my question, is it the squaddie's that are complaining of others looking at their ass, or is it others speaking for them ? In my day someone went too far, they were picking their teeth from the back of their throat.

TreasureKY -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:11:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin ... but you didn't answer my question, is it the squaddie's that are complaining of others looking at their ass, or is it others speaking for them ? As I said in my original comment to you, it is my understanding. This comes primarily from the leadership point of view, and has been explained to me as the primary reason most military leaders have been opposed to openly gay soldiers in the past. I've been led to believe that the leaders who have taken this stance, do so from a position of knowing the men (and women) under their command, as well as understanding the needs and conditions under which their command serves. Also, as I very clearly explained to you in my comment, I can sympathize with this position as it resonates with my own understanding of human nature and how I would view a similar situation for myself. quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin In my day someone went too far, they were picking their teeth from the back of their throat. If I understand your colloquialism, actions such as this are a punishable offense under the UCMJ within the US military, and would certainly not be an acceptable method for correcting someone's unwelcome, overt attention.

kat321 -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:25:19 PM)
With that attitude, women should not be serving.... Sure they can do the job, but, hell.... all those poor, poor men would be totally distracted and not able to do their jobs. Healthy, fit women in BDUs? Who would EVER get around to following an operations order? If soldiers, seamen and airmen are at war, one would think the 'uncomfortable situations' they would be worried about would have to do with roadside bombs and the like. If their focus is on taking a shower, our military has many, many, many more problems than the repeal of DADT.

slvemike4u -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:26:00 PM)
Once upon a time it was said that integrating the armed forces of this country would have a deleterious effect on unit cohesiveness. The point ,at the time was made that the services was no place for social experiments .[8\|]

Aneirin -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:27:58 PM)
Military leaders yes, who often become politicians, often it is military leaders speak for themselves to get them to places they want to be, i.e, away from the graft and higher up the ladder rubbing shoulders with the movers and shakers, tell me it is not so, Petreaus and North of the top of my head. But, from experience what happens in the barracks stays in the barracks, bringing in outsiders to sort out issues tends to make one very unpopular, and one has to depend on these people for ones own life in various situations. But it is us that we tend to sort out our own problems, as by nature we have a distrust for authority.

cuckoldmepls -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:31:08 PM)
I have news for gays thinking about joining the military. There are a lot of pricks in the military no pun intended, and the reason is because superior officers don't give a rats ass about hurting your feelings and they aren't worried about getting fired because they chewed your ass out. In fact, most superior officers in the military are simply in it for the power and authority, and they use it every chance they get to remind you that you are nothing but a pee on to them, and I don't mean that literally. Joining the military is not for pussies, gay or not.

Aynne88 -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:34:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls I have news for gays thinking about joining the military. There are a lot of pricks in the military no pun intended, and the reason is because superior officers don't give a rats ass about hurting your feelings and they aren't worried about getting fired because they chewed your ass out. In fact, most superior officers in the military are simply in it for the power and authority, and they use it every chance they get to remind you that you are nothing but a pee on to them, and I don't mean that literally. Joining the military is not for pussies, gay or not. I think you meant "peon" but either way your post is wrong. Also as a lifelong child of a military father, you don't get "fired." Where did you serve again? I thought so.

rulemylife -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:37:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls Joining the military is not for pussies, gay or not. Then how did you get in?

Aneirin -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:47:07 PM)
I wouldn't advise anyone to join the military, as it is often not what it says on the tin, what I would do however if it ever came back, is support military service in lieu of prison and that because of all the angry people that generally end up in prison have the drive to be a soldier. So no point turning non criminally minded people into killers when we already have enough angry bastards in society. So instead of the relaxed life prisoners enjoy, they can pay back their debt to society by fighting for it. Who knows, actual military training and possible conflict might sort them out in terms of useful to society instead of a drain to be let out and undoubtedly come back, as we are all I think aware, prison does not teach prisoners the error of their ways.

TreasureKY -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:56:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kat321 With that attitude, women should not be serving.... Sure they can do the job, but, hell.... all those poor, poor men would be totally distracted and not able to do their jobs. Healthy, fit women in BDUs? Who would EVER get around to following an operations order? If soldiers, seamen and airmen are at war, one would think the 'uncomfortable situations' they would be worried about would have to do with roadside bombs and the like. If their focus is on taking a shower, our military has many, many, many more problems than the repeal of DADT. Did you actually read what I wrote? [8\|]

TreasureKY -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 8:59:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin I wouldn't advise anyone to join the military, as it is often not what it says on the tin, what I would do however if it ever came back, is support military service in lieu of prison and that because of all the angry people that generally end up in prison have the drive to be a soldier. So no point turning non criminally minded people into killers when we already have enough angry bastards in society. So instead of the relaxed life prisoners enjoy, they can pay back their debt to society by fighting for it. Who knows, actual military training and possible conflict might sort them out in terms of useful to society instead of a drain to be let out and undoubtedly come back, as we are all I think aware, prison does not teach prisoners the error of their ways. And now I'm wondering if you ever were in the military if you think criminals would make good soldiers. [8\|]

Aneirin -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/25/2011 9:17:54 PM)
Oh yes, seven years of it until I resigned, but often with criminals is that they are just angry and often confused, and if you look, they also tend to be predominantly of a low educational standard. Often it is military service gives a person purpose in their lives as does it not occur many criminals do what they do, because they are pissed off with society, and pissed off, because they are often the lowest of the low, forgotten about until they do something wrong which gives them attention, albeit negative attention, but they have announced their existence - notoriety. If past examples are anything to by in his country, often criminals turned out to be decent people once they were given purpose in their lives. But in this country we are very near that anyway, as it seems boom and bust is the recruiting factor, mass unemployment the military has no problem recruiting, but in the boom time, that is when they redouble their efforts, I joined when there was mass unemployment, no jobs except the military, didn't want to go in, but no option.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republicans to boo them for 236 years! (9/26/2011 3:32:34 AM)
my late M was in the military, and the types of people he met there absolutely horrified him. not all soldiers are "good" anyway. some people do join just because they want to kill people.

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