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'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthcare... - 9/24/2011 7:57:40 AM   
Sanity


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From this ams Drudge

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Michael Moore: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthcare...

The article (with video)

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Michael Moore: "Patriotic Americans" Will Wait Longer For Healthcare


Michael Moore defends Obamacare and healthcare programs similar to it around the world. Moore says the only "things you maybe have to wait for" are a knee replacement surgery or cataracts. 


"Things that are not life-threatening," Moore said on HBO's "Real Time" with host Bill Maher. "The reason why you have to wait sometimes in those countries is they let everybody in the line. We make 50 million people out of the line so the line is shorter, so sometimes you have to wait as long. If you are a patriotic American, you want every American to be covered the same as you. No, not 'I'm going to get ahead because I have health insurance and they don't,'" Michael Moore explained.


At least somebody is willing to admit that socialized healthcare systems have at least one definite downside...


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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 8:08:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed.    But consider the food system and the health care is designed to fuel poor health.

HFSC,  and endless toxins and add to that - SICK is MONEY for corporations- the more sick we are- the more MONEY for  CEOS.

Until that model is changes-  it is a YAWN.

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 9:51:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		You two are really making a big deal about Moore telling the truth? Go ask your insurance company if they will pay for you to get a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it.

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 9:56:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gawd I love free speech. Freedom for mentally diseased Michael Moore to let us know what they really have up their sleeves. I love the internet, video, audio... Bless Michael Moore and his idiotic friends! I just don't want them in charge of anything. March if they must... all lib#$% love to march, don't they? And remember, liberation day is 20 January 2013

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 10:09:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I view health care reform from what I know of the mental health system--a traditional government-run service delivery system.  Until a few years ago, states gave counties a set amount of dollars for the treatment (in PA) of mental health and mental retardation.  In turn, the counties allocated this money to service providers who were pretty much left alone to do what they did best--advance the recovery and treatment of their clients.  But during the Clinton administration that all changed.  Tax payer dollars for the funding of MH/MR was moved to the private sector.  In PA, each country contracts with one insurance company to provide for the treatment of the clients' needs.  These days it is more about billing issues and following strict recovery goals than actually treating the person.  A client is upset because her dog died?  Sorry, the caseworker can't help the client deal with it because the recovery goal states the client's goals as being "obtaining employment" or "learning how to manage money".  But it worst, in that paying private insurance companies have also lowered the amount of money actually going to treatment--the private insurance company needs to make their profit (from constantly fewer and fewer tax payer dollars).

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 10:12:54 AM   
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Its a big deal because few leftists are willing to admit to this glaring problem (shortages) with socialist programs.

Of course insurance companies pay for "a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it." They do it all the time. Personally, I go to any doctor, any doc-in-a-box that I want any time of day if there is an issue - and its always paid

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You two are really making a big deal about Moore telling the truth? Go ask your insurance company if they will pay for you to get a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it.


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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 10:18:20 AM   
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the only patriotic americans that can wait for health care are the ones who c an afford it.
Those patriotic americans who cant will suffer
or is Patriotic only allowed to be used for insured republican americans now?

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 1:11:36 PM   
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Its a big deal because few leftists are willing to admit to this glaring problem (shortages) with socialist programs.

Of course insurance companies pay for "a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it." They do it all the time. Personally, I go to any doctor, any doc-in-a-box that I want any time of day if there is an issue - and its always paid

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You two are really making a big deal about Moore telling the truth? Go ask your insurance company if they will pay for you to get a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it.


Bullshit. If there is no network surgeon available and you go out of network and it wasn't life or death you'll pay every dime yourself. Even if it is life or death you'll stay pay half or more yourself.

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 1:31:06 PM   
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the only patriotic americans that can wait for health care are the ones who c an afford it.
Those patriotic americans who cant will suffer
or is Patriotic only allowed to be used for insured republican americans now?


Shit, under the current situation, its not life threatening I wont get it period. Im willing to wait.

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 1:31:41 PM   
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Youve lost your mind, you dont have the first frigging clue what my insurance is like


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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 1:40:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its a big deal because few leftists are willing to admit to this glaring problem (shortages) with socialist programs.

Of course insurance companies pay for "a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it." They do it all the time. Personally, I go to any doctor, any doc-in-a-box that I want any time of day if there is an issue - and its always paid

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

You two are really making a big deal about Moore telling the truth? Go ask your insurance company if they will pay for you to get a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it.


Bullshit. If there is no network surgeon available and you go out of network and it wasn't life or death you'll pay every dime yourself. Even if it is life or death you'll stay pay half or more yourself.


Depends on the policy, but there are damn few where you pay more than 40% if you go out of network for anything.

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 1:46:46 PM   
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the only patriotic americans that can wait for health care are the ones who c an afford it.
Those patriotic americans who cant will suffer
or is Patriotic only allowed to be used for insured republican americans now?


Shit, under the current situation, its not life threatening I wont get it period. Im willing to wait.

nod I get that!
Selfish is wanting it NOW without regard to the realities of whats happening out there

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 2:00:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Want it now? Pay for extra insurance. Im all for that. I am willing to wait.

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 2:03:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		thats one issue Im pissed with two tier here, it bumps off people on the waiting list all for the love of money, not need

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 3:08:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its a big deal because few leftists are willing to admit to this glaring problem (shortages) with socialist programs.

Of course insurance companies pay for "a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it." They do it all the time. Personally, I go to any doctor, any doc-in-a-box that I want any time of day if there is an issue - and its always paid

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

You two are really making a big deal about Moore telling the truth? Go ask your insurance company if they will pay for you to get a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it.


Bullshit. If there is no network surgeon available and you go out of network and it wasn't life or death you'll pay every dime yourself. Even if it is life or death you'll stay pay half or more yourself.


Depends on the policy, but there are damn few where you pay more than 40% if you go out of network for anything.

Bullshit.

I was closely involved in getting my former company's group plan back in 2005 and there were no plans that didn't go at least deductible plus 50% for out of network when it was considered life threatening to delay and most simply did not cover anything out of network if it wasn't life threatening and none covered anything close to half in those cases.

< Message edited by DomKen -- 9/24/2011 3:09:12 PM >

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 3:10:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its a big deal because few leftists are willing to admit to this glaring problem (shortages) with socialist programs.

Of course insurance companies pay for "a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it." They do it all the time. Personally, I go to any doctor, any doc-in-a-box that I want any time of day if there is an issue - and its always paid

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

You two are really making a big deal about Moore telling the truth? Go ask your insurance company if they will pay for you to get a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it.


Bullshit. If there is no network surgeon available and you go out of network and it wasn't life or death you'll pay every dime yourself. Even if it is life or death you'll stay pay half or more yourself.


Depends on the policy, but there are damn few where you pay more than 40% if you go out of network for anything.

Bullshit.

I was closely involved in getting my former company's group plan back in 2005 and there were no plans that didn't go at least deductible plus 50% for out of network when it was considered life threatening to delay and most simply did not cover anything out of network if it wasn't life threatening and none covered anything close to half in those cases.


And part of my company consults to plans covering several hundred thousand workers and not one of them goes above 40%.

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 5:01:19 PM   
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At least somebody is willing to admit that socialized healthcare systems have at least one definite downside...




You dont get it do you. No one has to wait for socialised healthcare, you can still go and pay to have it done privately IF YOU WANT TO.

The difference is those who cant afford to go private can still get treatment EVEN IF IT MEANS A WAIT. Sooner or later you will grasp what is in effect a simple fact, one that most four year olds understand.

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 5:03:46 PM   
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He still thinks we all get free healthcare.
little steps my dear chap, baby tiny steps and lots of time


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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 5:07:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its a big deal because few leftists are willing to admit to this glaring problem (shortages) with socialist programs.

Of course insurance companies pay for "a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it." They do it all the time. Personally, I go to any doctor, any doc-in-a-box that I want any time of day if there is an issue - and its always paid

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

You two are really making a big deal about Moore telling the truth? Go ask your insurance company if they will pay for you to get a non life threatening condition treated immediately even if there is no surgeon in the network available to do it.


Bullshit. If there is no network surgeon available and you go out of network and it wasn't life or death you'll pay every dime yourself. Even if it is life or death you'll stay pay half or more yourself.


Depends on the policy, but there are damn few where you pay more than 40% if you go out of network for anything.

Bullshit.

I was closely involved in getting my former company's group plan back in 2005 and there were no plans that didn't go at least deductible plus 50% for out of network when it was considered life threatening to delay and most simply did not cover anything out of network if it wasn't life threatening and none covered anything close to half in those cases.


And part of my company consults to plans covering several hundred thousand workers and not one of them goes above 40%.

For out of network non emergent care? name the plans.

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RE: 'Patriotic Americans' Will Wait Longer for Healthca... - 9/24/2011 5:27:42 PM   
Sanity


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Thats a lie because socialism drives private businesses out of business.  Who can compete with "free"

And why should anyone be forced to pay twice for their health care, beside that

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
At least somebody is willing to admit that socialized healthcare systems have at least one definite downside...




You dont get it do you. No one has to wait for socialised healthcare, you can still go and pay to have it done privately IF YOU WANT TO.

The difference is those who cant afford to go private can still get treatment EVEN IF IT MEANS A WAIT. Sooner or later you will grasp what is in effect a simple fact, one that most four year olds understand.


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