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Sanity -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/27/2011 5:35:27 AM)
Heh... kirata may be a legend in his own mind but in reality he couldnt even cut it as a crochety old schoolmarm quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Sanity do you actually know what a mixed metaphor is? Hint: He didnt use one.

Sanity -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/27/2011 5:54:43 AM)
Once you finally figure out what a mixed metaphor is, why not share it with your dear friend kirata, as he is completely ignorant of such things. And why are you wailing over a supposed lack of publicity for a Muslim peace conference... how "special" do you think it is. Do you believe this a once in ten thousand year achievement? Are you suggesting that they are that alien to the idea of peace? If so, if that is what you and rudesub and kirata are trying to tell us, realize that you are spitting on them. quote: ORIGINAL: tweakerbelle Sanity do you actually know what a mixed metaphor is? Meanwhile back on topic ..... Why is there such resistance from certain quarters to mere mention of Muslin peace conference? Is it because Muslims talking peace ruffles some very bigoted feathers? Are Muslims warlike and aggressive? One way of measuring that might be to compare the number of international conflicts Muslim countries are involved in and comparing them to Western countries. Can any one nominate a Muslim country that has been in more international conflicts since World War II than any one of the US, the UK or France? The gap is so substantial that I doubt if all the international conflicts all Muslim countries have been involved in post-WWII outnumbers any one of the US, the UK or France. What does that tell us about who's warlike and aggressive and who's not? What does that tell us about our perceptions of the Muslim world?

Aneirin -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/27/2011 8:13:29 AM)
It is not special, however, in places like this where right wing assholes spew bile on a regular basis against people who have not caused them personal harm other than the fact that they have the wrong religion or nationality at the wrong time are making an effort to repair the damage some of their dick heads have caused, such efforts need to be publicised for the good of the majority. Those that cannot be educated are I believe a minority, but it is often the rabid minority shout loudest and act to ruin everything for everyone else.

Politesub53 -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/27/2011 4:35:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Only in a morons mind could "stalking" be the same as not providing some goofball a free education. This is why I keep coming back, for the entertainment. You cant make their kind of idiocy up... [:D] So post a quote of mine backing your claims and educate everyone. All you keep doing is changing track and making yourself look more of an ass with every post.

Sanity -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/27/2011 5:16:35 PM)
I wrote twice, its over your head. I cant explain it any more simply than that.

Sanity -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/27/2011 5:22:38 PM)
Is asking for specifics rather than your lowly ad hominems too much to ask of you? Have you the ability to debate this intelligently? If so, name specifically what it is that you are referring to as "bile" quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin It is not special, however, in places like this where right wing assholes spew bile on a regular basis against people who have not caused them personal harm other than the fact that they have the wrong religion or nationality at the wrong time are making an effort to repair the damage some of their dick heads have caused, such efforts need to be publicised for the good of the majority. Those that cannot be educated are I believe a minority, but it is often the rabid minority shout loudest and act to ruin everything for everyone else.

Kirata -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/27/2011 6:21:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I wrote twice, its over your head. I cant explain it any more simply than that. For we live by faith, not by sight. ~2 Corinthians 5:7 K.

Lucylastic -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/27/2011 6:30:03 PM)
Mark Twain once said Sanity and Happiness are an impossible combination!!!! Good man that Mr Twain

tweakabelle -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/27/2011 9:59:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Once you finally figure out what a mixed metaphor is, why not share it with your dear friend kirata, as he is completely ignorant of such things. And why are you wailing over a supposed lack of publicity for a Muslim peace conference... how "special" do you think it is. Do you believe this a once in ten thousand year achievement? Are you suggesting that they are that alien to the idea of peace? If so, if that is what you and rudesub and kirata are trying to tell us, realize that you are spitting on them. I'm sad but not surprised to see you are too cowardly to attempt answering the questions I posed. Though to be fair, it may be that you failed to understand them first time round. Your record at understanding others' words at first sight doesn't inspire any confidence at all. So to give you every chance, I've bolded the questions in the quote below. These questions definitely aren't too complicated for you - they boil down to a bit of simple arithmetic and drawing conclusions from the numbers. Most juveniles could do the exercise without blinking. I do hope you find the courage to answer them. Please prove my pessimism to be misplaced. Good Luck! [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: tweakerbelle Sanity do you actually know what a mixed metaphor is? Meanwhile back on topic ..... Why is there such resistance from certain quarters to mere mention of Muslin peace conference? Is it because Muslims talking peace ruffles some very bigoted feathers? Are Muslims warlike and aggressive? One way of measuring that might be to compare the number of international conflicts Muslim countries are involved in and comparing them to Western countries. Can any one nominate a Muslim country that has been in more international conflicts since World War II than any one of the US, the UK or France? The gap is so substantial that I doubt if all the international conflicts all Muslim countries have been involved in post-WWII outnumbers any one of the US, the UK or France. What does that tell us about who's warlike and aggressive and who's not? What does that tell us about our perceptions of the Muslim world?

Kirata -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 6:19:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Once you finally figure out what a mixed metaphor is, why not share it with your dear friend kirata, as he is completely ignorant of such things. Okay, school time. First of all, let's learn what a metaphor is: A figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance ~Dictionary.com Got that? Hold onto it. Now let's learn what a mixed metaphor is. I'll engage in a bit of overkill here to make the point clear, since you appear to find it difficult to grasp. The use of two or more inconsistent metaphors in a single expression ~Webster's New World College Dictionary A figure of speech combining inconsistent or incongruous metaphors ~Merrian-Webster A combination of two or more incompatible meatphors ~Oxford Still with me? Good. Now then... quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What I write flies way over your head because youre so slow. In this comment contrasting your intelligence level to Politesub's, you are using mixed metaphors. You are employing a metaphor of height for your own intelligence, i.e., lofty, 'over his head,' and a metaphor of speed for his, i.e., plodding, 'slow.' In other words... A combination of metaphors that sounds silly because it creates a strange image in your mind ~Macmillan Lunch today is crow. Eat up. K.

dovie -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 6:28:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Meanwhile back on topic ..... Why is there such resistance from certain quarters to mere mention of Muslin peace conference? Is it because Muslims talking peace ruffles some very bigoted feathers? Are Muslims warlike and aggressive? One way of measuring that might be to compare the number of international conflicts Muslim countries are involved in and comparing them to Western countries. Can any one nominate a Muslim country that has been in more international conflicts since World War II than any one of the US, the UK or France? The gap is so substantial that I doubt if all the international conflicts all Muslim countries have been involved in post-WWII outnumbers any one of the US, the UK or France. What does that tell us about who's warlike and aggressive and who's not? What does that tell us about our perceptions of the Muslim world? Excellent! dovie

Kirata -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 7:26:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle I'm sad but not surprised to see you are too cowardly to attempt answering the questions I posed... quote: ORIGINAL: tweakerbelle Are Muslims warlike and aggressive? One way of measuring that might be to compare the number of international conflicts Muslim countries are involved in and comparing them to Western countries. Can any one nominate a Muslim country that has been in more international conflicts since World War II than any one of the US, the UK or France? The gap is so substantial that I doubt if all the international conflicts all Muslim countries have been involved in post-WWII outnumbers any one of the US, the UK or France. What does that tell us about who's warlike and aggressive and who's not? The fact of the matter is that all three of our Western monotheisms have racked up an astounding litany of brutality and slaughter, and still carry within themselves the potential for more. By restricting your question to only the post-WWII time period, and only to violent conflicts between (but not within) nation states, you are in effect "gerrymandering" history by drawing lines around what information we are allowed to consider in a way that favors the election of your position. Whatever merit your views may have will not be furthered by that kind of wizardry. K.

samboct -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 7:42:43 AM)
Umm Tweak You forget about the Iran/Iraq war? From Wiki- The Iran–Iraq War, also known as the Imposed War (جنگ تحمیلی, Jang-e-tahmīlī) and Holy Defense (دفاع مقدس, Defā'-e-moqqaddas) in Iran, Saddām's Qādisiyyah (قادسيّة صدّام, Qādisiyyat Ṣaddām) in Iraq, and the (First) Persian Gulf War, was an armed conflict between the armed forces of Iraq and Iran, lasting from September 1980 to August 1988, making it the longest conventional war of the twentieth century.[12][13][14] It was initially referred to in English as the "Persian Gulf War" prior to the "Gulf War" of 1990.[citation needed] Furthermore, the levels of conflict in between the various factions in Iraq would certainly not qualify as "peace" to folks in the US or Western Europe. Seems to me that there have been plenty of "brushfire" wars involving Muslim countries or cities- such as Serbia, Bosnia, Croats etc...It's just when the US gets into a war, we have bigger toys, so our wars are more noticeable on the world stage. Sam

GreedyTop -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 7:55:04 AM)
I didnt read Tweaks post to say there were NO Muslim conflicts, but that the number of them that involve outside countries (religions) were far outnumbered by conflicts involving strictly allegdly Christian countries... I may be wrong./..

samboct -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 8:20:52 AM)
I dunno GT Here's what she bolded: "Can any one nominate a Muslim country that has been in more international conflicts since World War II than any one of the US, the UK or France? The gap is so substantial that I doubt if all the international conflicts all Muslim countries have been involved in post-WWII outnumbers any one of the US, the UK or France. What does that tell us about who's warlike and aggressive and who's not? What does that tell us about our perceptions of the Muslim world?" Clearly a problem here is metrics- how do we measure what's warlike? Number of dead? Duration of conflict? Number of other countries involved? Are we discussing secular countries? Countries with a predominantly Muslim population? Inter religious conflicts? What about terrorism in countries like India where the non-Muslim population there tends to view the Muslim population as committing most of the terrorist acts? What about Iraq? First the long Iraq/Iran war, then the invasion of Kuwait, and then they got picked on by the US. Seems to me that they've been in a lot of conflicts post WWII. Isn't that an example which disproves her thesis? Maybe I'm not understanding the question either, I'm a bit baffled by your interpretation as well. Sam

GreedyTop -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 8:41:51 AM)
gawd, put like that, I'm not sure of my interpretation.. LOL

dovie -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 2:29:27 PM)
We could go back to the Sumerians and the Elamites LOL...bugger of it all, And lets not talk about warring Christian folk...Spanish Inquisition ( "iffen youze is a Jew or a Muslim, convert thee or GET OUT!").. the 30 years war, et al. I understood Tweaks post as commentary with the understanding that of course it could apply to pre-WWII, but why state the obvious...and for a little bit of trivia. Who was the first person to say "Off with his/her head?" The hell with it all, everyone on this thread should shake hands and have a cuppa. dovie edited to add I'm waiting for the first person to support their argument with the geograhical location of the Sumerians and Elamites. woieeee

Politesub53 -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 3:47:23 PM)
Dovie. 1) Queen Margaret 2) Gulf war one. [8D]

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 3:52:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Once you finally figure out what a mixed metaphor is, why not share it with your dear friend kirata, as he is completely ignorant of such things. Okay, school time. First of all, let's learn what a metaphor is: A figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance ~Dictionary.com Got that? Hold onto it. Now let's learn what a mixed metaphor is. I'll engage in a bit of overkill here to make the point clear, since you appear to find it difficult to grasp. The use of two or more inconsistent metaphors in a single expression ~Webster's New World College Dictionary A figure of speech combining inconsistent or incongruous metaphors ~Merrian-Webster A combination of two or more incompatible meatphors ~Oxford Still with me? Good. Now then... quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What I write flies way over your head because youre so slow. In this comment contrasting your intelligence level to Politesub's, you are using mixed metaphors. You are employing a metaphor of height for your own intelligence, i.e., lofty, 'over his head,' and a metaphor of speed for his, i.e., plodding, 'slow.' In other words... A combination of metaphors that sounds silly because it creates a strange image in your mind ~Macmillan Lunch today is crow. Eat up. K. The reference to slow isnt a metaphor it is a direct reference to thinking ability, so no mixed metaphors here. Also the "flies over his head" (a butchering of "in over his head" possibly) could arguably be about the speed of flight, not height.

samboct -> RE: Damn Muslims holding a peace conference. (9/28/2011 3:58:25 PM)
Actually, I think "flew past him" is a baseball reference, where a slow player would stand oblivious to a pitch, a throw or a hit, that "flew right past him" So Sanity's "Nah, sorry pops. What I write flies way over your head because youre so slow." seems to come partially from this reference. However, there's also the phrase "In over his head" referring to trying to swim in the deep end of the pool or stream and drowning, or struggling to understand a conversation. The deeper the person is, the more they're in "over their head". Here, increased distance implies even less comprehension. So "flies right past him" is a struggle to see the obvious, but "over his head" is a lack of comprehension over what might be a difficult topic. If a person is unable to grasp what is obviously in front of their nose, then an object flying by high over head is even further from their grasp. It's either a lousy metaphor-I've heard it before, or a mixed one, because it's a distortion of the metaphor of being unable to grasp the obvious although its far out of reach. However, given the level of discourse around Muslims potentially peaceable intentions, either a lousy metaphor or a mixed metaphor seems wonderfully apropos. Sam

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