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Transgendered

I empathise with those who identify as transgendered

63% (26)

I don't understand transgendered individuals and think it's messed up

2% (1)

I don't understand transgendered individuals, but to each their own

24% (10)

Other (please elaborate)

9% (4)

Total Votes : 41

(last vote on : 9/30/2011 4:45:46 PM)
(Poll ended: 9/30/2011 11:59:00 PM)

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Transgendered - 9/25/2011 10:00:41 PM

DeviantlyD

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How do you view those individuals who see themselves as being biologically the wrong gender? Do you have empathy for their struggles? Or do you find you just can't comprehend it? Does anyone find it's going against nature?

Hopefully there will be a fair number of responses, I'll reveal my motivation for asking this question at the end.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/25/2011 10:10:54 PM

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I am happy for them that there is a way to fix it. Other than that I view them the same way I would anyone else. If nothing else, they are generally not boring.

I have a ton of empathy. Wanting your mind, heart and body to match.

I think any argument about something going against nature is bull. Driving a car is probably against nature using the same argument.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/25/2011 10:16:45 PM

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Empathy.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/25/2011 10:21:26 PM

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I almost feel like asking if you have a stick because I know this reply is going to stir things up.

I answered yes that I do empathize with those who identify as transgendered. At the same time, this also disqualifies a person for anything more than friendship with Me. Being straight, I'm not attracted to anybody who presents as female in any way. This means that FTM folks won't appeal to Me because of the body parts that they have and MTF won't appeal to Me because of the body parts that they want.

In addition, while I empathize with anyone who has these struggles, I can also admit that I don't want to have to go through those struggles with them. If MP would suddenly decide that he wanted to be female, there would be a divorce. Same thing with clip and the collar would be removed. That even includes such things as presenting female, such as cross dressing. They are in My life with the intimacy level that they are because they are male. Since sexual intimacy would be gone if I perceived them as female, I would find a partner that suited those desires.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/25/2011 10:39:59 PM

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I think you should play the hand you're dealt.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/25/2011 11:32:24 PM

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I have complete empathy with them & highly approve of them doing whatever it is that they need to do to bring their body into alignment with their soul. I had a very good friend named Deb, who married Janet. They found a sperm donor & seriously made a turkey baster baby. They were so happy. Except that Deb had known since she was a child that she was really male. Her mother had taken her to a psychiatrist to try to fix these thoughts, so she decided that she must be a Lesbian. She & Janet went off to Hawai'i where Deb was from, Zoey was born & they built a house & all was well.

And then she realized that she was so miserable in her female body that she just couldn't keep up the farce anymore. When they came back from Hawai'i, it was Dan & Janet & Zoey. Dan was basically the same person I had known & loved all those years, except he was a little like a 14 year old boy. He was so excited about being male & the hormones were all new to him, so just like a pubescent boy. LOL

Eventually, they chose to part because Janet was a Lesbian, after all, & Dan was now a guy. Dan has since met & married a lovely straight woman. And they all lived pretty happily ever after.

But as a bisexual, sometimes I really miss Deb. She was HAWT!!!

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 2:50:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I almost feel like asking if you have a stick because I know this reply is going to stir things up.

I answered yes that I do empathize with those who identify as transgendered. At the same time, this also disqualifies a person for anything more than friendship with Me. Being straight, I'm not attracted to anybody who presents as female in any way. This means that FTM folks won't appeal to Me because of the body parts that they have and MTF won't appeal to Me because of the body parts that they want.

In addition, while I empathize with anyone who has these struggles, I can also admit that I don't want to have to go through those struggles with them. If MP would suddenly decide that he wanted to be female, there would be a divorce. Same thing with clip and the collar would be removed. That even includes such things as presenting female, such as cross dressing. They are in My life with the intimacy level that they are because they are male. Since sexual intimacy would be gone if I perceived them as female, I would find a partner that suited those desires.

I don't think your post stirs things up. You feel as you do. I'm heterosexual. I don't feel attracted to women. But I have met a FtM person and I felt drawn to him, although in the end, even if he had been available, I'm doubtful I would have pursued it since he doesn't have "boy parts" and I like boy parts. :)

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I think you should play the hand you're dealt.

Are you being serious or facetious? I can never tell with you half the time. ;)

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 3:03:50 AM

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i empathize with them. i know a transgendered person who i could never relate to as female anyway; i'm glad that he has officially started using male pronouns because the energy from him is most certainly male, and calling him "she" was confusing as all get-out. i can't imagine what it's like actually BEING him and dealing with that on a personal "this is me" level. when you look in a mirror and the person looking back at you is not who you are; that's difficult.

a lot of people think it might be easier to change the mind than the body, but i believe the mind is who you are, and the body is your car. you can get in and out of cars all day long, but you're still the same person regardless of what car you're in. so i totally understand them wanting to change the body to suit who they really are in the mind. of course, someone can be delusional and believe in his mind that he's Napoleon Bonaparte, but i don't find most transpeople are all that delusional; when you deal with them personally, you realize they're just as normal as everyone else; their bodies just don't match.

as far as whether or not i could date a transperson, i dunno. i won't say anything until if/when life throws such a situation my way. as attracted as i am to typical masculinity, if there's a fascinating brain in there, the brain trumps it and physical ceases to matter so much, but i do wonder just how far that could go. i've never been in the position to know, though, so... i could only speculate.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 4:17:59 AM

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I know one quite well, but only since after she transitioned.

I still have a hard time understanding how powerful her drive to transition was. I was born male and am happy with that, but had I been born female, I would abide. My friend was born physically male but had such a powerful drive to be female that she spent tens of thousands of dollars and sadly alienated her family to a degree.

She loves being a woman and celebrates it in a way that is wonderful.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 4:40:49 AM

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quote:

Are you being serious or facetious? I can never tell with you half the time. ;)

That's open to the audience's interpretation.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 6:52:08 AM

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Sympathy I have in great amounts, however it is incorrect to alter what one was born to create but the facsimile of gender. One born a man is a man no matter what is done to alter appearances, the one remains a man. One is what one was made, and one is made thus at the whim of the Gods. Often are they cruel.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 7:14:48 AM

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Having a non biological sister who is TG and a non biological brother who is also TG, I have a very high regard and respect for anyone who is TG and struggling to transition into their proper gender identification. As to getting intimately involved with a person who is TG, well......since I have not encountered this situation, I really am unable to say if I would encourage or discourage a relationship with them.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 9:32:31 AM

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I went with empathy, based on my experience with many TG folk. I am having a hard time with some of the issues and attitudes of some TG folk, and there are some things about SOME individuals that I cannot agree with. There are some very Non PC opinions that I have that I will keep to myself.

Overall, I support the TG community, and accept them for who they present themselves as. Genitalia does not equal gender.

BIG ISSUE: the made up freakin pronounds of the "gender fluid".

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 9:58:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AneNoz

Sympathy I have in great amounts, however it is incorrect to alter what one was born to create but the facsimile of gender. One born a man is a man no matter what is done to alter appearances, the one remains a man. One is what one was made, and one is made thus at the whim of the Gods. Often are they cruel.

Be at peace
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But the transperson, although born into a male body is not really a male. Not in their essence. Why not make the body reflect the essence of what a person actually is? We have the technology now to make that happen. Was that technology not made available at the whim of the Gods also?

I am fortunate that I am female in my body & my essence, even if I have what are considered typically male traits. When I was a child, I was somewhat fascinated with the idea of being male, but that passed as I grew up. All of us are not that fortunate.

I've always said that the body is nothing more than the vehicle for our essence & when we "die", whatever that means, the body becomes just an empty shell, just so much trash, since our essence leaves it at the time of "dying". We have spend millenia learning how to make our bodies match our essence. Why deny such basic happiness to someone who happened to have been born into the wrong body?

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 10:28:29 AM

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i think threads encouraging posters to comment on other people's sexual identity or orientation should be banned under the clause of TOS that talk about not attacking other posters or their kinks. No matter how you write it, it's not an appropriate topic for discussion because the thread invariably leads to the kinds of comments that are banned by TOS.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 10:36:22 AM

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Sexual identity is not a kink, as far as I know. And I haven't seen anyone attack another poster, unless it is the person I have on hide who has done so.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 10:38:59 AM

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i wasn't talking about this thread in particular.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 10:40:50 AM

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Then this is kind of an odd place to put that comment, IMO.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 10:44:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: gungadin09

i think threads encouraging posters to comment on other people's sexual identity or orientation should be banned under the clause of TOS that talk about not attacking other posters or their kinks. No matter how you write it, it's not an appropriate topic for discussion because the thread invariably leads to the kinds of comments that are banned by TOS.

pam

I can't say that I agree, pam. Case in point, we seem to be doing all right on this thread so far.

I know there seems to be a lot of difficulty around here lately about avoiding those things that are TOS violations. At the same time, I do think there is an appropriate way to be able to discuss topics without going down that slope. Big difference between saying something "this is not for Me" and "ewwww, how disgusting".

By your train of thought, we should never discuss anything ever because we're all sitting in fear about how a thread might turn out.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 10:56:25 AM

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i don't think threads like this should be banned. being transgendered isn't a sexual orientation or a kink anyway; it's a state of existence. people discuss race issues all the time over in P&RS and there are inflammatory things said there every day and no one calls to ban any of that. race is also a state of existence. so is being rich, and people complain about the rich. =p

like LP said, there's a world of difference between "it's not for me" and "get away from me you freeque!"
and then what do you do if a transperson starts such a thread? they've popped up before.

i think banning a topic outright would go too far. besides, this thread seems fine.

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