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Bullies - 9/27/2011 3:52:14 PM   
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OK, Doms and Dommes with a "mean streak", please don't take this as derogatory.  I was reading another thread, and in one of the posts, the poster mentioned a Dom she knew, who she considered to be a pretty nice guy, but who told her he got a charge (presumably sexual) out of harassing a high school classmate.  How about you?  Would you consider yourself to have been a bully when you were younger? 
Just to clarify, I don't in any way consider myself sadistic.  However, I do remember certain people who I felt compelled to bully when I was younger.  I also remember things being a lot different then.  Some of what would now be considered bullying seemed to be pretty acceptable when I was in grade and high school.   


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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 4:22:48 PM   
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I wasn't a bully, I was the biggest bloke in my school when I was younger( 6"4 and 16st when I was 14) so I was well aware of the damage I could do. However I used to get one bloke in a head lock quite often and I got a hard on when I did it. I knew it was wrong but I kept doing it. I am not gay and at that point in my life I would say that I was a sub..... weird

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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 4:55:50 PM   
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I was not a bully, I was the target of bullies. That didn't last...and they turned to my friends. Imagine that, it was actually *risky* to be my friend! I despise bullies, and flattened them whenever possible.

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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 5:09:00 PM   
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Switch here. During most of my school days I was really passive and a target for bullies. lol

There are two isolated instances, though, where I got the last laugh. Once in grade school I did make some older kids sorry they pushed down my disabled younger brother. They would pick on him mercilessly every frickin' day on the playground but, after I kicked their butts once, they never did it again.

When I was a high school junior, this group of senior boys would always hit me in the arm and make me drop my books. They always laughed and they really thought it was funny, but I was practically in tears after about half a year of that crap. So, one day, I was ready for them. As I came outside through the door I saw the one boy lift his fist. I hit him first and all his friends laughed at him. He was totally surprised and he never did it again.

In the first instance, I was protecting someone(my younger brother). In the second instance, it was self-defense. In both instance, the kids were humiliated by being "beat up" by a girl, although it wasn't really being "beat up."

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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 5:24:04 PM   
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I wasn't a bully but enjoyed when came My way or tried to mess with one of My friends.

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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 7:25:19 PM   
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In my view, bullying = insecurity, no matter what degree, as it's often rooted in gaining what what seeks from the other based on FEAR.  Conversely, dominance is rooted in respect, desire, and/or love.  99% of the typical idiots who claim to be Doms/Masters are often nothing more than insecure bullies, and unfortunately, newbies of the sub/slave sort too often confuse "bullying" for "dominance" -- only to later learn the difference (generally after a few bad experiences) when finally encountering one of the actual dominant sort.



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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 7:38:06 PM   
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I was bullied by a girl when I was 6.

That will never happen again.


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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 7:58:32 PM   
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I bullied a couple kids very briefly when I was very young (under 3rd grade).  There was something about the group mentality that I fell into.  Remembering that experience has taught me much.  Other than that, I almost always was the kid who befriended the friendless.  I even put my neck on the line for a mildly retarded kid in my senior year. 

I'm more likely to find myself in situations like I did this weekend where I kept watch over a road rage incident.  I prepared myself to intervene if needed.  Fortunately, after a few lunges, the perpetrator got in his car and left the other driver alone.

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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 9:23:56 PM   
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Conversely, dominance is rooted in respect, desire, and/or love
  No.  Wrong.  It's a ludicrous fantasy and all you're doing is demonstrating your naivety.

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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 9:32:48 PM   
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I suspect there may be some wishful thinking in the notion that bullying is, by definition, an act based in weakness and insecurity. In some cases, it could be just the opposite: an expression of an absolutely sincere feeling of blissful arrogance and entitlement. Compassionate, democratic values tend to want to deny this kind of possibility. For oppressed people (and those who have empathy for them), it's consoling to believe that the oppressor must be suffering himself on some level, or at any rate, is destined to suffer eventually (Judgment Day, karma, whatever--take your pick). I see absolutely no evidence for this notion, and admit that I cringe at what I see as the craven self-deception inherent in it. In fact, the worse a person is, the more sociopathic, the more shameless he is in his infliction of pain, and the more easily he sleeps after inflicting it. Being a little bit rotten may entail a gnawing conscience, but being rotten to the core comes with no such penalty.

That's not to say that I condone bullying. Precisely the opposite is true. I stand more adamantly against it because of my belief that there's absolutely no barrier between ill-intentioned people and their victims but those precious few of us who are both kind-hearted enough to care and bold enough to make a stand. I say "precious few" not to flatter myself but because it's a simple fact that I have almost always been the only one. For example, about a week ago, I happened to come upon four of my male coworkers having the typical escalating good-ol'-boys chat about being callous and cruel to animals. You may have encountered it: One shitbag mentions the time he had to kick his little dog across the yard for chewing on the fence, or something similar--the necessity of discipline seems to be a common theme--and the other shitbags jump in from there. In this case, one shitbag, who happened to be my boss, lamented the fact that his brother, in possession of several dogs which had become a burden, lacked the heart to take them out to [remote area in my region].

"What's at [remote area in my region]?" I inquired, feeling my eyes narrow.

"Oh, it's just a good place to dump a dog," said the shitbag. As if it was nothing.

Feeling my skin start to tingle, I locked eyes with him and said flatly, "I think anyone who does that should be shot. I'd shoot him myself." I stared between his eyes as if I might put a bullet there by looking.

He looked up at me, trembling visibly. I top him by more than a foot and could probably toss him half a dozen paces. I wondered dimly, through the wall of rage, if I was going to lose my job, then realized I didn't care. Fuck it. I might be jobless, but my balls and heart would be intact.

As if to lighten the mood, a coworker who happened to be standing nearby said with a chuckle, "That's when you say, 'Come on, dog, we're going hunting'"--and mimed shooting the dog with a rifle. Chuckles all around, from everyone except me. I felt my face blazing with barely restrained malevolence. Turning to face him squarely, I said, "Not funny to me." Dead silence now. My hands begged to be fists; I made them hang open at my sides. I was going to become violent if this went on much longer. I know how much anger I can endure without breaking someone or something, I know what the line feels like when I cross it, and it was coming up fast on the radar. So I started walking, numbly and mechanically. No direction in mind. I just went. That was all. I never heard more about it.

What I find most galling in this situation, and similar situations I've been in, is that generally, nobody has the guts to join me even after I stick my neck out. Okay--I can accept that you fucks don't have my courage (or rashness, or passion, or insanity). But can't you have some? Do you have to be such thorough jellyfish?

I think it's important to distinguish between people who bully and accept bullying in the gutless, milquetoastish way that seems so common to so many of my fellow "men," and say, Napoleon, who inflicted staggering misery but had unimpeachable balls, an unimpeachable will. I respect a stalwart black heart infinitely more than a flimsy gray one.


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RE: Bullies - 9/27/2011 10:36:55 PM   
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Was I then, no. Can I be now, yes(for the right reasons) It was actually in childhood that I watched others be picked on. I was lucky enough to either be below radar most of the time, or to out of it to care what others thought about me. The only times I remember being cruel back then was when I saw people I cared about get hurt. The same thing happens now. As a parent I have taught my son to fight fire with fire. That there is no resson to be unkind to someone that is not unkind to him first. But if someone else starts it he is more than allowed to put an end to it. And before anyone asks no I don't care why one kid picks on another. I don't care how hard someone elses life is if anothers isn't easy either. If the only way to stop a bully is to hurt his feelings, or his face, than do what needs to be done. Just make sure you are willing to deal with the consequences later.

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RE: Bullies - 9/28/2011 12:46:02 AM   
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I never get inked and lived a couple blocks away from my high school. It made the trips home a daily fight for survival. Sometimes I won, sometimes I didn't. Check my profile pick, you can see the creases on my nose. Had it broke more times than I can count growing up. I wasn't affraid of anything, I allways stood up for myself and my friends, and it usually did not work out for the better. I had this problem with people trying to take from me what I had. The one thing I noticed, the guys allways came in groups. The few times I fought guys in a fair fight, it wasn't even close. I never had any illusions, no matter how strong or hard I tried to be, I can't dodge bullets. The guys that want to make thier stars don't walk up to you in broad day light and state thier intentions. They come at you in the night, from behind. So I'd say yes, the guys doing the bullying are insecure pussies, even when I got the shit kicked out of me I knew they wouldn't dare come at me alone. That's not because I was some kinda badass, it's because they didn't want to stand on thier own.

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RE: Bullies - 9/28/2011 4:21:57 AM   
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I think in a D/s relationship, there are components of dominance / submission and power exchange.  I've always been comfortable with power exchange.  I tend to listen, try to understand my partner, and make decisions that benefit the relationship and her.  If she is also doing the same, the relationship works well.  If not, that's where dominance and discipline could come in or else I just leave the relationship.

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RE: Bullies - 9/28/2011 5:09:20 AM   
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As a teen I was so shy and I was withdraw, but I did have to fight. fist fight just to
get home!  They would come to our door and want to fight I had to go out or my father would
get me!  I never pick on anyone ever, the fight always came to us my twin and I!  I hated it so much
but I lost one and won the others they finally left us alone! It was not pulling of hair I had to punch
box my way to a win!  This is the strange part I do not ever remember how I fought, and I was sick
to death each time this happen!  I earn a name as "she will kick your ass" leave her alone!  I was bullied
for seven years my twin and I as children, I see how things go very wrong in schools when no one listen  ! 
I learn to box my brother showed me how to punch I was only 100 lbs , and I was fighting with girls 200 lb it was so scary!  I knew I would not ever let my children go through what I had too!  They had great school where teachers and people listen!!
I did stand up for those whom were bullied, I made them look and see this will not stop unless you defend yourself! 
No one knows how to fight with their fist they just shoot!  How sad !
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RE: Bullies - 9/28/2011 7:54:51 AM   
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quote:

Feeling my skin start to tingle, I locked eyes with him and said flatly, "I think anyone who does that should be shot. I'd shoot him myself." I stared between his eyes as if I might put a bullet there by looking.


Good for you! I got chills when I read this.


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RE: Bullies - 9/28/2011 8:02:33 AM   
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Nice guy, good for you. I would do the same thing if people were talking about being cruel to an animal.

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RE: Bullies - 9/28/2011 8:24:21 AM   
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I was small as a kid. In 7th grade I was 4'10 and 95# so, as a result, I was a target. Instead of whining, I decided to do something about it. Joined the wrestling team and hit the weight room. A few years later, I was still shorter than average but people usually don't fuck with someone that has 18" arms and is known to make workout partners 100# heavier fly thru the air with the greatest of ease.
Did I use the newfound abilities to join the pack of bullies? No. I remembered where I came from. People learned that bullying of others wasn't an acceptable practice in My presence. Those who ignored the warnings got to meet up with a budding sadist who knew many ways to create intense pain without visible injury.

Bullied the bullies? maybe.

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RE: Bullies - 9/28/2011 8:33:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

OK, Doms and Dommes with a "mean streak", please don't take this as derogatory.  I was reading another thread, and in one of the posts, the poster mentioned a Dom she knew, who she considered to be a pretty nice guy, but who told her he got a charge (presumably sexual) out of harassing a high school classmate.  How about you?  Would you consider yourself to have been a bully when you were younger? 
Just to clarify, I don't in any way consider myself sadistic.  However, I do remember certain people who I felt compelled to bully when I was younger.  I also remember things being a lot different then.  Some of what would now be considered bullying seemed to be pretty acceptable when I was in grade and high school.   



When I was a child through my early thirties, I am quite certain the very last thing in the world ANYone could call me would have been a bully. I was actually the target of bullies in school. Very typical small town shit for a kid from a poor family that didn't excel in sports. It was one of the things that made me quite independent and self reliant from a very early age.


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RE: Bullies - 9/28/2011 10:28:10 AM   
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Bullies need to be extirpated from this earth. It is this vermin that has led to so many suicides. Lord have mercy on them. Jesus Christ would be disgusted at the way society is currently run , it is for the political elite by the usage of taxpayer funds, ie all of us and especially the middle and lower classes, not the rich, for the political elite and the wealthy everyone else get s hammered disproportionately, the higher up you are on the chain of social and employment mobility the more nastiness you can get away with it. Disgusting but will anything be done about because the powers that be are apathetic and why would they be otherwise about changing a society that inherently REWARDS them
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RE: Bullies - 9/28/2011 10:49:28 AM   
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Bullies need to be extirpated from this earth. It is this vermin that has led to so many suicides.



I thought Heavy Metal was to blame for this -- or was it Snooki... I can't remember?!!



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