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Moonhead -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 9:04:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD Not according to my math teacher it wasn't. :D Then I recommend your math teacher to learn epistemology. If mathematics isn't an inflexible rule and 2+2 doesn't always equal 4, how does your pc work? Come to that, how does the building you're typing on it in stay up if all engineering is based on mere supposition?

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 9:31:01 AM)
@MissImmortalPain: Agreed. @vincentML: Your impression, different to mine. I consider disrespect annoying and I do not consider myself forced in any sense to read anybody. I have the right not to read, and I make use of it to decrease annoyance. But of course you will keep your own impression on that matter. @tazzygirl: I do not have the impression that our communication will be constructive for any of us. Although I could defend myself from your diffamation, I do not think that it makes much sense and I think it would be a waste of time from both sides. Therefore, I am sorry I will hide your messages from now on. I wish you all the best in this forum and in life. @Moonhead: Mathematics is for sure not a rule, it is a branch of knowledge. 2+2=4 only in certain numeric systems. And my computer runs, from a very deep perspective, not with a single 2 or 4 (in a world where 10 + 10 = 100). But I understand what you want to say me and I will not hide under formal errors. The matter is different. I said that 2+2=4 is an opinion. I did not say that it is not a fact. What is a "fact" or not, can be decided using different systems. These systems are called "knowledgment systems" (or something similar, I am translating spanish phylosophical concepts here, "sistema de conocimiento"). One of this is, for example, evangelical fundamentalism. According to this knowledgment system, God made the Earth in seven days of 24 hours, some thousands of years ago. This is a fact... for this knowledgment system. Now - when I say that 2+2=4 is a fact, is because I use another knowledgment system, which I call "reason" (and I am not the only one who calls this system in this way, but I am ready to keep this as "my opinion only"). According to this system, 2+2=4, and as I trust reason, this is also my opinion. My opinion is, that this is true, that this is a fact. So - it is an opinion. And a fact. For this system. And according to the same system, what I said over Jesus of Nazareth is a fact. And yes, also my opinion. Like that 2+2=4. I hope you understand now my sentence better. Thank you for your questions and have a nice day.

Moonhead -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 9:49:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster I said that 2+2=4 is an opinion. I did not say that it is not a fact. If it's an opinion, then it isn't a fact. As somebody who's coming out with a load of nonsensical blather about half understood philosophy, I suppose it's too much to hope for that you can grasp a point that simple.

Edwynn -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 9:49:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster @tazzygirl: I do not have the impression that our communication will be constructive for any of us. Although I could defend myself from your diffamation, I do not think that it makes much sense and I think it would be a waste of time from both sides. Actually said as "defamation," but then your English is still 3 times better than my deutsche Sprache, and likely 5 times better than my español. But it's OK to put people on "hide" or "ignore" when they point out your innumerable logical fallacies and your Velcro sticking to biblical or contra-biblical explanation for everything. Still works in any language, just left-click on the box. Saves having to think and all that messy stuff.

tazzygirl -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 9:55:46 AM)
rofl.. I made his hide list!!! Im so honored!!

SternSkipper -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 9:57:41 AM)
quote: I said that 2+2=4 is an opinion. I did not say that it is not a fact. What is a "fact" or not, can be decided using different systems. These systems are called "knowledgment systems" (or something similar, I am translating spanish phylosophical concepts here, "sistema de conocimiento"). One of this is, for example, evangelical fundamentalism. According to this knowledgment system, God made the Earth in seven days of 24 hours, some thousands of years ago. This is a fact... for this knowledgment system. I think you took the movie "The Magus" just a little too seriously 2+2=4 mathematical proof of 4 and it's been settled for longer than this diatribe is boring. I have actually to a large extent stopped reading the grandiose Anti-Theist arguments because you're simply proving yourself every bit as intrusive to the beliefs as those who have them. It is widely accepted, even in many atheistic schools of thought, that human beings are entitled to 'believe' or have 'faith', free of having those values attacked Again, what's your problem with simply saying "I am an Atheist" or "I don't believe in god". I am not a practicing christian, but I was raised that way. Fact is, I waiver between believing and not believing. But I resent it when somebody tries to shove it down my throat FROM EITHER DIRECTION. And this thread makes me think of something on the order of an Atheist Jim and Tammy Baker trip. It feels like another shoe is gonna drop and the requests for donations will start.

tazzygirl -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 9:57:55 AM)
quote: ****tazzygirl: I do not have the impression that our communication will be constructive for any of us. Although I could defend myself from your diffamation, I do not think that it makes much sense and I think it would be a waste of time from both sides. Therefore, I am sorry I will hide your messages from now on. I wish you all the best in this forum and in life. Its only a waste of time because you cannot debate what people are saying. You are stuck in your own world of denial. Which is a shame because now you wont know what other people are laughing about when your stupidity is pointed out.

vincentML -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 10:01:55 AM)
quote: ****vincentML: Your impression, different to mine. I consider disrespect annoying and I do not consider myself forced in any sense to read anybody. I have the right not to read, and I make use of it to decrease annoyance. But of course you will keep your own impression on that matter. The kernel of your monologue - that modern christianity has lost sight of the apocalyptic culture that framed Jesus' thinking and actions - might have some validity and interest to Believers who have not explored much beyond what their ministers and priests have lectured. But instead of opening an attractive and interesting dialogue you present your own dogma as take it or leave it. That is the first disappointment. But then you compound the issue by hiding or shutting out opposition because you judge them to be disrespectful, which is annoying to you. tsk, tsk. Billions of humans are dying of disease, hunger, thirst, wars, and natural disasters and you are annoyed at some minimal disrespect. Embarrassing to find an atheist so thin if skin. No one is forcing you to read their responses to your OP just as you said to one respondent that they were not forced to read your monologue. The very presence of a reply does not carry an imperative for you to read it. You alone make that choice. In my opinion based on lengthy experience on these boards hiding someone is the greater expression of disrespect. And again, not very heroic.

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 10:12:38 AM)
Dear Moonhead, I think that our communication would not lead to any positive result for any of us. Therefore, I think that it is better that we do not communicate at all. I will hide your messages. I wish you a good day and a good life. Dear vincentML... for me, the disrespects directed to me are much worse as hiding the messages, which is IMO no disrespect at all. So it is probably only a matter of subjective perception or concept of "respect". Still - it is not only a matter of thin or thick skin. It is a matter of utility. I simply do not think that spending time with those people will be useful for them, or for me. This not being an evaluation of this person. Only of the utility of mutual communication. I am sorry if you cannot understand this, or you disagree, but this is how I see it, ok? :)

tazzygirl -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 10:14:26 AM)
How long before he has most of this section on ignore?

Edwynn -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 10:27:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper And this thread makes me think of something on the order of an Atheist Jim and Tammy Baker trip. Heya, Skipper, I resided in Charlotte when The Jim and Tammy show was on local TV. It was a kids' show, before they saw the bigger money in religion. Damn straight I flipped the channel when I caught my little brother watching that show. Those people "weren't right," as they say, and not difficult to spot that from the outset. Which is, of course, why the nation flocked to them in droves when they found economic epiphany in starting on their religious money machine trek. Flipped the channel away from their kids show, worked at the restaurant they came to all the time once they got rich and famous, Tammy constantly on the phone to TV producers all over the country (such phone being in the alley between the kitchen and the dining area, this before cell phones came along), did some sound mixing for both live events and some little bit of studio recording, but thankfully no TV work ... After all that, I hardly remembered who they were until you brought it up. I am thankful for all the distance between then and now, though still catching myself saying "whoah! horsie!" sometimes.

Edwynn -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 11:30:29 AM)
"Hello everybody. I think that it is more productive for for me if I just put everybody on 'hide' but yet insist on subjecting everybody to my mindless drivel." "I am not seeking intelligent discourse, I am rather seeking those who are in awe of my knowledge of the bible and find enjoyment in my antagonizing you with that, which the smarter of you ran away from long ago and wisely have no use for." "Sincerely, SpanishMindlessMaster."

Moonhead -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 12:50:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl How long before he has most of this section on ignore? Fancy a sweepstake?

tazzygirl -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 12:52:04 PM)
I think a better one would be .. how long before the rest of us have him on hide. [:D]

Moonhead -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 12:53:48 PM)
That day may come even sooner, true enough.

Lucylastic -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 12:55:15 PM)
I prefer a man who can be honest rather than ignore and hide, but I admit I have two people on ignore, simply because everything that comes out of their mouth is bullshit and I dont need to argue with stupidity. But this has takne longer than three days to come to the conclusion Premature ignorification could be seen as a sign of deeper issues:) yanno Im gonna regret this dont you!

tazzygirl -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 1:07:20 PM)
LOL no you wont! [:D]

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 1:31:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I prefer a man who can be honest rather than ignore and hide There is nothing dishonest in hiding other people. I do not see any dishonesty, nor the relation with the very concept of honesty. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Premature ignorification could be seen as a sign of deeper issues:) He... everything can be seen as everything. I do not care much about that. Have a nice day.

Lucylastic -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 1:49:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl LOL no you wont! [:D] you know me SOOOOO well:)

Lucylastic -> RE: Jesus "Christ" today and then. (10/1/2011 1:52:24 PM)
by honest, I meant using ignore instead of having to come up with a good argument or debate on others points of views, opinions and even facts, that differ from yours. It makes people think that you only believe your POV is the right one My english is lazy at times, I should have made that clearer.

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