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Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:06:16 PM   
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Many different define asexual differently according to them, such as many aspects of B&D and S&M. My point of my question is to gather opinions.



In this question, asexual play will be defined as engaging in B&D and S&M activities with the absence of sexual play, even though sexual feelings may arise.


The question is as follows:

In your opionion, is it better [or smarter, or even safer] for a single person, novice, or curious person to explore play with or without sex? Sex can be defined as you please, and so can play ( LOL! come on guys....)



I'll give me look on it once i hear from you all =D

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:12:28 PM   
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1. I don't "play." I'm in a relationship with him. Not a play.
2. It's sexual between us. If he ties me up and beats me, you can bet your ass it will always end with him fucking me.


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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:14:49 PM   
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Thanks aileen!

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:20:05 PM   
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I'm getting hung up on the word play. I know it sounds picky but we don't really play. We have a relationship and it's structured for him to lead. We have sex, it includes BDSM. The BDSM wouldn't really be all that meaningful, or fun, without the sex I think, but the power structure is always meaningful. I don't think I'd sign up for sessions of letting him hurt me without having sex.

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:21:49 PM   
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I would prefer the word "nonsexual". I play like that frequently.  Especially with others than my primary.


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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:29:18 PM   
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Thanks guys! It's okay that some are getting hung up on words since almost everything in this lifestyle is subjective.

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:33:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RopePlease


In your opionion, is it better [or smarter, or even safer] for a single person, novice, or curious person to explore play with or without sex? Sex can be defined as you please.



Of course, it's pretty subjective but here's my two and change:

Sex can complicate things especially if one partner has emotions that are not shared by other partners and I'm in the KISS class of folks. I enjoy being able to express my creativity through sadism without having distractions from my art. Sex definitely distracts me so I just don't roll that way unless I am in an established relationship.


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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:38:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RopePlease

Thanks guys! It's okay that some are getting hung up on words since almost everything in this lifestyle is subjective.


Well, it's not the fault of your wording, it's as you said a very personal activity and in order to answer your question I have to squish things around a bit. Which is actually the answer to your question, different things will be better for different people.

In reference to what you asked in the OP since I think it changed a bit since I first posted, it may be better/smarter/safer to try BDSM without sex but I personally think it won't be as much fun. I guess someone could try the training wheels approach, but to my mind, since I combine sex with it, that doesn't really give them the scope of what things are really like.

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:44:08 PM   
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Bitatruble, i actually agree with you there. I happen to be the type of person that feel sex can complicate things and it often makes the situation harder than it has to be.


lizi, oh no it's totally not as fun LOL! I did enjoy sex after some delicious bondage, but i've found for me that the sex makes things muddled and more than just a scene with a top. But i totally agree with you on different things work for different people and their situations. If i was in a relationship, i know that nonsexual play would be up to my owner.


I did edit it. at first i didn't want to complicate the question, but realised that it made sense in my head, because i was the one asking it, but everyone else won't know what im trying to ask.

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:44:24 PM   
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I don't like the word play, although I believe I know what you are asking. The things I do in the bedroom are things I like doing; they are parts of what make Me who I am. There times for Me that using one of My flogs and using My favorite paddle is what satifies My needs at the time.

It just really depends on the Person and situation if sex should be included.


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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 2:55:58 PM   
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I also don't "play". I'm in a power-exchange relationship. Everything in the relationship -whether sexual or nonsexual- is colored in that light. So its ALL YUMMY, with or without any sexual component to the particular sweetness of the moment.

We are awash in a sea of bliss, savoring the exquisite beauty and deliciousness of it all, together.


Oooooh YEAH.... Uh huh.... MMmmmmm....


To address the question in the OP:

People "should" do whatever they feel safe and comfortable doing, together. If they hold back, they may miss out. If they risk, they may lose. Just like with anything else.


Edited to add: WELCOME to the forums, Birdy!

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 3:09:04 PM   
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quote:

We are awash in a sea of bliss, savoring the exquisite beauty and deliciousness of it all, together.
I've been in one power exchange relationship so far ( that sounds some kind of way...) and i completely understand where your coming from on the deliciousness of it dreamerdreaming LOL! Thanks for the welcome. I've been here before, but making a fresh start.

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 3:13:27 PM   
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If I was playing casually then of course there would be no sex. STDs being what they are and you can't get tested walking into a club with an immediate readout. There's a lag time for the tests to be done. Beyond that I don't enjoy casual sex, I much prefer it inside of a relationship.

But if you're able to separate your pain needs from your sex drive, even if for only a couple of hours, then go for it. And wank when you get home. Much safer.




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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 3:27:54 PM   
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For me, the bar for play is lower than the bar for sex.  Sex requires a more serious commitment than play does.

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 3:33:16 PM   
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for me personally I don't play unless I'm in a committed long term relationship or at the very least, there's the thought of it becoming so.

Until then it just holds no interest whatsoever.



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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 3:34:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RopePlease

Many different define asexual differently according to them, such as many aspects of B&D and S&M. My point of my question is to gather opinions.

In this question, asexual play will be defined as engaging in B&D and S&M activities with the absence of sexual play, even though sexual feelings may arise.


The question is as follows:

In your opionion, is it better [or smarter, or even safer] for a single person, novice, or curious person to explore play with or without sex? Sex can be defined as you please, and so can play ( LOL! come on guys....)

I'll give me look on it once i hear from you all =D


Dunno about "better" (or safer, or smarter) but I'm not in the habit of playing with a sub who doesn't have alround relationship potential in general. That basically means starting slowly and building up as the relationship progresses.

So just as I don't expect to have sex on a first date, or even fourth date, I don't expect our early D/s scenes to include anything sexually explicit, either. Building trust is the bigger priority.... My first scene with a sub is more about teaching her my basic rules and expectations of her and usually not much beyond seeing how she reacts to having her hands tied behind. A second scene may include having her strip to her underwear etc.

I use the analogy of those old-style video games (maybe still the new games, too, for all I know).... That is that the games are set out in levels and once you've successfully navigated a level and progressed, you can't drop back down later on (without restarting the entire game).

What I'm saying is; just because it's D/s and I'm the Dom, I don't and won't order a new sub to strip naked in that first or even second scene and expert her to comply because she's the sub. That's an unearned level of trust. But (re video game), when the point is reached that she has been naked in my presence, then yeah, from then on I expert her to comply without question or hesitation. And so the ladder is climbed to higher levels of intimacy and expectation....

It's really no different to building a vanilla relationship. One difference, however, is that the control freak in me doesn't always require anything sexual from a scene. Often I can just be content with having her all bound naked (or semi-naked) and helpless for my viewing pleasure - is veeeeeery relaxing....

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 4:57:25 PM   
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just my opinion, but i don't think for many the real motivation is sex. there might be an orgasm or just an ejaculation that ends the session but the motivation is one of control to me. the sexual urge may allow a sub or drive a sub to continue. as far as i am concerned i want it to go on and on, but i know i cannot continue. it is the excitement and stimulation that motivates me. i just want it to go on and on. sometimes i just want to ejaculate so i can end it and rest.

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 5:07:55 PM   
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Most of my play has no sex at all. If I waited to be in a "relationship" to top someone, I would have missed out on a lot of fun!

As to whether it's better, well that's up to the individual. If it's a fun and satisfying experience, it's fine. If you want more, pursue more[image][/image]

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 5:58:15 PM   
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Define safer

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RE: Asexual play - 10/1/2011 7:19:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

1. I don't "play." I'm in a relationship with him. Not a play.
2. It's sexual between us. If he ties me up and beats me, you can bet your ass it will always end with him fucking me.



The OP asked about "a single person, novice, or curious person" and not the individual reader's opinions on themselves.

Personally I think it's best to not have sexual involvement for those who are single, novice or curious, although truly, it depends on each individual as to how much value they assign to the sexual act. In my opinion, I think removing the sexual component gives the individual who is new a better opportunity to explore what aspects of kinky play work for them, and which don't.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If I was playing casually then of course there would be no sex. STDs being what they are and you can't get tested walking into a club with an immediate readout. There's a lag time for the tests to be done. Beyond that I don't enjoy casual sex, I much prefer it inside of a relationship.

But if you're able to separate your pain needs from your sex drive, even if for only a couple of hours, then go for it. And wank when you get home. Much safer.


Yup, this.


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