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Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 8:37:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Five years ago, it would have been unthinkable for a black to run for President.  Now a black man holds the office.

Herman Cain has entered the race for the GOP nod.   He is considered a viable candidate, and nary a word has been spoken about his race, except that it's not that common to see a black Republican.  Three years ago, the US held its first election in which a major party candidate was black, and now there seems to be a very real possibility that, four years after that, the US may hold an election in which BOTH candidates are black.

Wow.




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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 8:46:43 PM   
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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 8:51:53 PM   
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the US may hold an election in which BOTH candidates are black
I hadn't thought about that possibility, that would be something.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 8:55:12 PM   
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Oh wait... Am I supposed to be all hung up on pigmentation? Sorry. Guess I'm still stuck on that "experience" thing as a qualification.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 8:59:19 PM   
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Rule #1 for conservatives: Never give Obama credit for anything, EVER. When Obama takes a tough stance on immigration like the Republicans wanted, or he concedes to the Bush tax cuts, conservatives aren't allowed to say "He made a good decision on this one." It's always "This was a victory for the Republican party."

Also, I think it is highly unlikely that Herman Cain will be the nominee. It's easy to say one will support a black man for office, but in the voting booth you are by yourself, and the machine won't judge you on your predjudices. Speaking of which Herman Cain is by far the most Islamophobic candidate running, which I see as an exploitable weakness.

By the way, remember all the "Obama is inexperienced holding a political office" stuff when he was running? I just looked up Cain on Wikipedia, and I can't find him holding a political office at all. Am I mistaken?

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 9:03:56 PM   
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Also, I think it is highly unlikely that Herman Cain will be the nominee. It's easy to say one will support a black man for office, but in the voting booth you are by yourself, and the machine won't judge you on your predjudices. Speaking of which Herman Cain is by far the most Islamophobic candidate running, which I see as an exploitable weakness.

By the way, remember all the "Obama is inexperienced holding a political office" stuff when he was running? I just looked up Cain on Wikipedia, and I can't find him holding a political office at all. Am I mistaken?


1. Y'know, Violet, I agree that he likely won't be the nominee.  But the fact that he's even being taken seriously is, IMO, a huge victory. 

I don't see Islamophobia as being a weakness at all in the GOP primary.  It might be in the general election.

2. As TheHeretic pointed out in his post, Cain has held numerous jobs but never an elected office.


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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 9:24:23 PM   
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1. Y'know, Violet, I agree that he likely won't be the nominee.  But the fact that he's even being taken seriously is, IMO, a huge victory. 

I don't see Islamophobia as being a weakness at all in the GOP primary.  It might be in the general election.

2. As TheHeretic pointed out in his post, Cain has held numerous jobs but never an elected office.



They're pretending to take him seriously. But even that is progress, sadly. And you're right about it not being a weakness in the GOP primary, but I think the GOP is smart enough to know that it can be a weakness in the presidential election.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 10:27:13 PM   
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Five years ago, it would have been unthinkable for a black to run for President.  Now a black man holds the office.

Herman Cain has entered the race for the GOP nod.   He is considered a viable candidate, and nary a word has been spoken about his race, except that it's not that common to see a black Republican.  Three years ago, the US held its first election in which a major party candidate was black, and now there seems to be a very real possibility that, four years after that, the US may hold an election in which BOTH candidates are black.

Wow.

As Cain becomes more of a factor, I'm sure that he will be found to be racist, stupid and corrupt. 

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 10:31:02 PM   
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Yes, Obama certainly did a fine job of lowering the bar for who is considered a viable candidate for the office. We elected a first term Senator who hadn't had a private sector job since serving ice-cream in high school, now we are talking about a guy who has never held any sort of public office in his life.

Oh wait... Am I supposed to be all hung up on pigmentation? Sorry. Guess I'm still stuck on that "experience" thing as a qualification.

Rich,

I'm now supporting Cain.  You point about elected office was the biggest hurdle I had to get over.

Treasure and I spent some time listening to everything that we could find on him.

The three things that decided me on him, to overcome this objection were:

1.  He says, and has a history of surrounding himself with good people, who understand the job, evaluating their advice and using their knowledge to operate.

2.  He did work for the Federal Reserve, so he has some bureaucratic experience.

3.  How has electing politicians worked out for us over the last few decades? 

I'm more than willing to give him a chance, based on those things.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 10:50:56 PM   
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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 10:57:03 PM   
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I'm now supporting Cain.

How much have you looked into what he said during the campaign? Does his contempt for the First Amendment not put you off?

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 10:58:54 PM   
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I'm now supporting Cain.

How much have you looked into what he said during the campaign? Does his contempt for the First Amendment not put you off?

Compared to the Democrats contempt for the entire Constitution, you mean? 

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 11:10:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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I'm now supporting Cain.

How much have you looked into what he said during the campaign? Does his contempt for the First Amendment not put you off?

Compared to the Democrats contempt for the entire Constitution, you mean? 

Firm


Cain declared Muslims have no right to freedom of religion because their holy writings include rules about how they should live. If this standard was followed would any religion be covered by the First Amendment? Certainly Christianity and Judaism would not.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 11:39:17 PM   
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Yes, Obama certainly did a fine job of lowering the bar for who is considered a viable candidate for the office. We elected a first term Senator who hadn't had a private sector job since serving ice-cream in high school, now we are talking about a guy who has never held any sort of public office in his life.
Oh wait... Am I supposed to be all hung up on pigmentation? Sorry. Guess I'm still stuck on that "experience" thing as a qualification.


Hey Steven... Do you know if you are in the same time zone as our 'esteemed' Fomenter  of all threads Obama... I am simply trying to calculate how long it took him to say everything pedestrian and servile a hater can say about the the man without having the actual gonads to use the N-word... It reaks of "I wanna wear the hood, but I'll get caught" as much as I hate to say it I would have more respect for the mental cases brave enough to make the utterance not is if that will ever happen.
   But now I know to a certainty why these guys open up threads with "I'm probably going to be called racist" No wonder indeed.



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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/2/2011 11:53:01 PM   
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And why shouldn't it, really ? The makeup of a person who will hold that power is irrelevant ?

I predict an interesting response.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 12:17:42 AM   
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That says very nice things about the USA !


Except that the statement alone (mentioning of a candidate's ethnicity) says this nation still has a ways to go.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 12:27:49 AM   
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That says very nice things about the USA !


Except that the statement alone (mentioning of a candidate's ethnicity) says this nation still has a ways to go.

Yes. You have a point there. But you guys can feel good that you've come such a long way. There are lots of countries where this progress wouldn't have happened so rapidly. I find it hard to imagine circumstances where either of the 2 main parties here would be led by someone with a non-Anglo-Celtic background, let alone an Aborigine. I could be mistaken but I can only think of two State Premiers here who doesn't fit the Anglo-Celtic mould.

So this is one area where you're doing better than most.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 5:24:34 AM   
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Five years ago, it would have been unthinkable for a black to run for President.  Now a black man holds the office.

Herman Cain has entered the race for the GOP nod.   He is considered a viable candidate, and nary a word has been spoken about his race, except that it's not that common to see a black Republican.  Three years ago, the US held its first election in which a major party candidate was black, and now there seems to be a very real possibility that, four years after that, the US may hold an election in which BOTH candidates are black.

Wow.

I do not want to reduce the significance of the fact, but let me remind something I read some months before previous elections.
"The next president will be black. a woman, or a black woman"
I do not remember the author, but I remember who was meant in that article
* Black - Obama.
* Woman - Hillary Clinton.
* Black woman - Condoleeza Rice.

Just saying.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 6:24:14 AM   
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2. As TheHeretic pointed out in his post, Cain has held numerous jobs but never an elected office.


In what thread???? Not this one.



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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 6:29:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Yes, Obama certainly did a fine job of lowering the bar for who is considered a viable candidate for the office. We elected a first term Senator who hadn't had a private sector job since serving ice-cream in high school, now we are talking about a guy who has never held any sort of public office in his life.

Oh wait... Am I supposed to be all hung up on pigmentation? Sorry. Guess I'm still stuck on that "experience" thing as a qualification.

Rich,

I'm now supporting Cain.  You point about elected office was the biggest hurdle I had to get over.

Treasure and I spent some time listening to everything that we could find on him.

The three things that decided me on him, to overcome this objection were:

1.  He says, and has a history of surrounding himself with good people, who understand the job, evaluating their advice and using their knowledge to operate.

2.  He did work for the Federal Reserve, so he has some bureaucratic experience.

3.  How has electing politicians worked out for us over the last few decades? 

I'm more than willing to give him a chance, based on those things.

Rich, one more point that I forgot.

I fully expect the Congress to be solidly Republican and heavily "TEA Party".  This will allow a greater chance for him to successfully work with Congress during his term.

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