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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 6:34:01 AM   
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Cain declared Muslims have no right to freedom of religion because their holy writings include rules about how they should live. If this standard was followed would any religion be covered by the First Amendment? Certainly Christianity and Judaism would not.

FYI, I saw nothing of this in my research.  Perhaps it is there, but I'm more dispose to believe that this claim is the worst possible interpretation by liberals and leftists looking for the scent of "damaged goods" that they always try to fling onto any conservative.

This sounds amazing like the first leg of such an attack: that he is "racist".  I expect canards to be thrown at any serious conservative. 

Actually, if I don't see the expected liberal attacks that he is racist, stupid and corrupt, then I'd start to worry about his qualifications. 

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 6:52:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		For the party that elected Bush twice, I think they have a bloody nerve complaining about experience, and look at how well experience did the party in the form of palin.
If he becomes the nominee of course he is going to be found wanting, his past is going to come back and haunt him. How long have the rabid right been looking for something to pin on obama.. and still are.
Its what happens to people who are sposed to be "running" the country. How insincere, one side can do it, but not the other.

Lower the bar my earhole.
Confirmation bias is even better this time around... complaining that the leftys will slime things up, well look around guys, while you have kept your noses out of the shit pretending to be better than everyone else, others have been digging their own chasm you WILL need an elevator to come up to the lefty level.

Obama deserves credit on many things, but ... he wont get any. There will always be a "but.." from the right.
My money is on cain or romney... cain is second purely because of his islam problem. But then.. romney has his own issues. Cains personality is a big breath of relief after the others(what a mess) but then I think that could go against him too.



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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 6:58:23 AM   
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That says very nice things about the USA !



it says that our law is completely FUCKED!

His being in office without repealing the law that says he cant hold that office is in direct violation of of the law of the land and I have no problem and could give a shit what color the office is, but NOT until they formally repeal and amend the law.

America is completely fucking lawless.  If that is nice well...  I beg to differ.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 7:00:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Republicans have been turning on their front runner lo these many months...so no surprise that some are now extolling the qualities of Cain.
But let us be honest,at the moment his best quality would seem to be the same one that endears some to Christy....he is not Mitt Romney!

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 7:03:07 AM   
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2 things here..

Rule #1 for conservatives: Never give Obama credit for anything, EVER. When Obama takes a tough stance on immigration like the Republicans wanted, or he concedes to the Bush tax cuts, conservatives aren't allowed to say "He made a good decision on this one." It's always "This was a victory for the Republican party."

Oh shit and I am a conservative and I say good things about the man. But don't let being wrong slow you down. There are a few posters on here who just love a bigot. I am sure they will love your thoughts.

Also, I think it is highly unlikely that Herman Cain will be the nominee. It's easy to say one will support a black man for office, but in the voting booth you are by yourself, and the machine won't judge you on your predjudices. Speaking of which Herman Cain is by far the most Islamophobic candidate running, which I see as an exploitable weakness.

I guess I will just have to hope you are wrong about this part too.

By the way, remember all the "Obama is inexperienced holding a political office" stuff when he was running? I just looked up Cain on Wikipedia, and I can't find him holding a political office at all. Am I mistaken?
Not according to the post above yours. I guess 1 out of 3 points isn't too bad.


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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 7:03:09 AM   
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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 7:04:37 AM   
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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 7:06:46 AM   
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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 8:34:49 AM   
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2. As TheHeretic pointed out in his post, Cain has held numerous jobs but never an elected office.



As opposed to many of the people in Washington who have held several elected offices but never a fucking JOB!

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 8:42:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		herman cain will not be the gop nominee

obama deserves credit for marrying a smart, hot chick and having some pretty cute kids who may grow into decent people

politically he's just another bougie neoliberal in the clinton tradition although for the life of me i can't figure out why more republicans can't see that he's on their side on most key issues. they should be giving him sloppy blowjobs every night

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 9:08:35 AM   
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herman cain will not be the gop nominee

obama deserves credit for marrying a smart, hot chick and having some pretty cute kids who may grow into decent people

politically he's just another bougie neoliberal in the clinton tradition although for the life of me i can't figure out why more republicans can't see that he's on their side on most key issues. they should be giving him sloppy blowjobs every night


hot? [/voidbrat]

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 9:09:03 AM   
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Cain declared Muslims have no right to freedom of religion because their holy writings include rules about how they should live. If this standard was followed would any religion be covered by the First Amendment? Certainly Christianity and Judaism would not.

FYI, I saw nothing of this in my research.  Perhaps it is there, but I'm more dispose to believe that this claim is the worst possible interpretation by liberals and leftists looking for the scent of "damaged goods" that they always try to fling onto any conservative.

This sounds amazing like the first leg of such an attack: that he is "racist".  I expect canards to be thrown at any serious conservative. 

Actually, if I don't see the expected liberal attacks that he is racist, stupid and corrupt, then I'd start to worry about his qualifications. 

Firm

Will the words directly out of his mouth satisfy your skepticism?
http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/07/17/herman-cain-islam-combines-church-and-state

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 9:16:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Cain declared Muslims have no right to freedom of religion because their holy writings include rules about how they should live. If this standard was followed would any religion be covered by the First Amendment? Certainly Christianity and Judaism would not.

FYI, I saw nothing of this in my research.  Perhaps it is there, but I'm more dispose to believe that this claim is the worst possible interpretation by liberals and leftists looking for the scent of "damaged goods" that they always try to fling onto any conservative.

This sounds amazing like the first leg of such an attack: that he is "racist".  I expect canards to be thrown at any serious conservative. 

Actually, if I don't see the expected liberal attacks that he is racist, stupid and corrupt, then I'd start to worry about his qualifications. 

Firm

Will the words directly out of his mouth satisfy your skepticism?
http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/07/17/herman-cain-islam-combines-church-and-state


Cain is right about Islam and actually understands what Freedom of Religion under the Constitution means.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 9:17:21 AM   
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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 9:17:56 AM   
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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 9:30:01 AM   
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Cain declared Muslims have no right to freedom of religion because their holy writings include rules about how they should live. If this standard was followed would any religion be covered by the First Amendment? Certainly Christianity and Judaism would not.

FYI, I saw nothing of this in my research.  Perhaps it is there, but I'm more dispose to believe that this claim is the worst possible interpretation by liberals and leftists looking for the scent of "damaged goods" that they always try to fling onto any conservative.

This sounds amazing like the first leg of such an attack: that he is "racist".  I expect canards to be thrown at any serious conservative. 

Actually, if I don't see the expected liberal attacks that he is racist, stupid and corrupt, then I'd start to worry about his qualifications. 

Firm

Will the words directly out of his mouth satisfy your skepticism?
http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/07/17/herman-cain-islam-combines-church-and-state


Cain is right about Islam and actually understands what Freedom of Religion under the Constitution means.

So, since Judaism and Christianity also include codes of laws, we can ban the construction of any more churches and synagogues and tear down all the existing ones? Is that really the position you want take?

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 9:37:30 AM   
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Cain declared Muslims have no right to freedom of religion because their holy writings include rules about how they should live. If this standard was followed would any religion be covered by the First Amendment? Certainly Christianity and Judaism would not.

FYI, I saw nothing of this in my research.  Perhaps it is there, but I'm more dispose to believe that this claim is the worst possible interpretation by liberals and leftists looking for the scent of "damaged goods" that they always try to fling onto any conservative.

This sounds amazing like the first leg of such an attack: that he is "racist".  I expect canards to be thrown at any serious conservative. 

Actually, if I don't see the expected liberal attacks that he is racist, stupid and corrupt, then I'd start to worry about his qualifications. 

Firm

Will the words directly out of his mouth satisfy your skepticism?
http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/07/17/herman-cain-islam-combines-church-and-state


Cain declared Muslims have no right to freedom of religion because their holy writings include rules about how they should live.

Of course, this isn't what he said.  He is saying that we need to be aware that - for many Muslims - sharia law is an integral part of the practice of their faith, and that sharia law conflicts with the US Constitution, and we should be aware of this, and take it into account.

Witness the increasing acceptance of sharia law in other nations and venues.  We should be very careful about uncritically accepting such laws - which conflict with American law - on the basis of religious beliefs.

This is a valid issue.  Think LDS and polygamy.  Think Christian Science and medical care for their children.

He doesn't say it very well, granted, and he needs to "expand and qualify his remarks".  Unfortunately, just as you and some others take anything said negatively about Islam as "racist", there is likely little that he can say on the subject that won't generate negative headlines in liberal media fellow travelers.  I'd recommend to him to simply not say much about it at all, at this point.

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 10:03:39 AM   
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As Cain becomes more of a factor, I'm sure that he will be found to be racist, stupid and corrupt.


Which politicians, to your knowledge, are not racists,stupid or corrupt?

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 10:16:19 AM   
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Unfortunately, just as you and some others take anything said negatively about Islam as "racist", there is likely little that he can say on the subject that won't generate negative headlines in liberal media fellow travelers.


Would you care to name the liberal media you reference?

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RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... - 10/3/2011 10:53:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		A general problem and a rule of thumb.

The enemies of politicias, very often, manipulate and change "her" declarations. This is diffamation, but is done very often. "She said that..." and when you search the sources, she did not said that.
The politicians, by other side, are extremely careful to avoid saying things which can be used against them. They do not say plainly what they think. They let their followers say it... and smile.

How, then, can I know what a politican really thinks?

My rule of thumb: I do not check what their enemies say. I do not care what she says (literally) either. I care about what her suporters and followers say, without her trying to correct them or stop them actively from saying that.
This gives me a good idea about what this politician really things, deep in his heart.

Look at the crowd.

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