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Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 8:10:23 AM   
Fightdirecto


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Status: offline 		Van Jones: Marines to Stand with Wall Street Protesters
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In his speech to the "Take Back The American Dream" conference Monday, former Obama advisor Van Jones held up the "Occupy Wall Street" movement as an example of what progressives could do to force change.

"I'm not mad at [the tea party] for being so loud," he said. "I'm mad at us for being so quiet the last two years."

"Something just came across the news wire," Jones announced. "It's an extraordinary thing. We know we have the young folks and the struggling folks who are down there on Wall Street... They went down there to the scene of the crime against our future. They went down there and they have been camping in the rain. They've been beaten. They've been pepper-sprayed. They've been falsely arrested. And when they police were dragging them away, they said, We're out here, the 99 percent, we're fighting the one percent. You, officer, are part of the 99 percent. We're fighting for your pensions too. We're fighting for your pensions too.' This is a new movement."

"And because of their courage and the character they showed, today it was announced that in their dress blues, Marines are going to protect them and stand with them. In their dress blues! The Marines! The veterans!"

He added: "This is a movement moment! Something's happening in America! Something's happening in America! Don't you give up on this country! Don't you give up on this movement!"

"They're going to stand out there with those young people in their dress uniforms. And one of them had a sign and the sign said, 'This is the second time I fought for my country... It's the first time I've known who my enemy was.'"

Semper Fi: Marines Coming To Protect Protesters On Wall Street
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I’m heading up there tonight in my dress blues. So far, 15 of my fellow marine buddies are meeting me there, also in Uniform. I want to send the following message to Wall St and Congress:I didn’t fight for Wall St. I fought for America. Now it’s Congress’ turn.

My true hope, though, is that we Veterans can act as first line of defense between the police and the protester. If they want to get to some protesters so they can mace them, they will have to get through the Fucking Marine Corps first. Let’s see a cop mace a bunch of decorated war vets. I apologize now for typos and errors.

Typing this on iPhone whilst heading to NYC. We can organize once we’re there. That’s what we do best. If you see someone in uniform, gather together.

A formation will be held tonight at 10PM.

We all took an oath to uphold, protect and defend the constitution of this country. That’s what we will be doing.





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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 8:20:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		If, IF, they really are Marines, they are in violation of the UCMJ.

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 8:23:07 AM   
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If, IF, they really are Marines, they are in violation of the UCMJ.


Care to give us a citation instead of just a claim?

Where do they say that a marine cannot wear hid dress blues with some friends and stand at a given place in manhattan and smile and wave at people?

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 8:45:07 AM   
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If, IF, they really are Marines, they are in violation of the UCMJ.


OK, there perry mason, quote us the relevant article and specification.

hell, I will even give you the shot at it.

Article 88 and Article 94 are your only possible goes. Your only shot is a commissioned officer under 88 and there has to be a partaking in violence under 94.

And under UCMJ you must prove every clause of the article to find guilt.

And there is more to those articles than I have said here.

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 10:41:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ummmmmmmm, Ron, Are you saying that Jim is full of shit once again?

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 10:47:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nope. I am saying quite the opposite. It is more a matter of empty.

I enjoy an old wives tale or a joe the plumber fiasco as much as the next guy, but I really would like a credible truth to surface occasionally.

Nothing wrong with being right, it always comes down to cases though.

I even enjoy saying fanciful shit off the top of my head occasionally, like the moon is the devils way of making you lose your panties.

Hard to back that one up unless you got a naked girl right there, know whadda mean, Vern?

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 11:28:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		RacerJim's comment reminds me of the idiot George Bush supporter who claimed that all of us who were traveling the country during the 2004 Presidential electiont as "Vets for Kerry" should have our military retirement checks & our military retirement benefits cancelled for committing treason (i.e. not being Republican, after all, is "treason in the minds of some Republicans).

The stereotype that all active duty military and all retired military and all veterans are conservative Republicans is wrong - but unfortunately will always remain in some fools' minds.

RacerJim probably would swear, under oath, that all Black Americans love watermelon and fried chicken and all Italian Americans are secretly members of the Mafia.

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 2:34:21 PM   
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any time ...now...


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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 2:48:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

If, IF, they really are Marines, they are in violation of the UCMJ.


OK, there perry mason, quote us the relevant article and specification.

hell, I will even give you the shot at it.

Article 88 and Article 94 are your only possible goes. Your only shot is a commissioned officer under 88 and there has to be a partaking in violence under 94.

And under UCMJ you must prove every clause of the article to find guilt.

And there is more to those articles than I have said here.


DODI 1344.01 DODI 1344.10 UCMJ Article 92

Paragraph 3.1.3 states that absent approval by a competent authority, members of the Armed Services (including retired members and members of Reserve components) are prohibited from wearing the uniform when "participating in activities such as unofficial public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies or any public demonstration, which may imply Service sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted."

Paragraph 3.1.2 includes an additional "catch-all" provision that prohibits the wearing of the uniform "[d]uring or in connection with furthering political activities, private employment or commercial interests, when an inference of official sponsorship for the activity or interest may be drawn."

DODD 1344.10. First, at paragraph 4.1.5, the directive warns against engaging in any activity that may be viewed as directly or indirectly associating the DOD or the military departments with a partisan political activity, even those activities not expressly prohibited by the directive. {In other words, if it is a close call, avoid the uniform.} Second, the directive is now punitive, stating plainly that it is a lawful general regulation and that violations of paragraphs 4.1 through 4.5 are punishable under Article 92, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, "Failure to Obey Order or Regulation."



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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 3:00:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		3.1.3 which may imply Service sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted

3.1.2. when an inference of official sponsorship for the activity or interest may be drawn.

ordered February 19, 2008 --------yeah, that figures.

Well, I think they would have a real tough time sticking that one on the wall.

I've been out awhile....

So, I am corrected, and am wrong.



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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 3:14:12 PM   
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3.1.3 which may imply Service sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted

3.1.2. when an inference of official sponsorship for the activity or interest may be drawn.

ordered February 19, 2008 --------yeah, that figures.

Well, I think they would have a real tough time sticking that one on the wall.

I've been out awhile....

So, I am corrected, and am wrong.




S'okay. In the last 10 years or so there has been a lot of conversation about the uniforms and when and where they can be worn. They may have been last updated in 2008, but those are the rules as I remember them when I was in.

Although, I have no knowledge of Fightdirects comments about Kerry supports who are retired, committing treason, and having their checks stopped.

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 4:32:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont see anybody going to jail over this, it is non-partisan (in theory) and non-political (in theory) and ..... well, I don't see current General Staff getting too fucked up on this issue.

If they could glean the support of the majority of the house (they are out of touch enough), the Senate would insure their starvation. Military Upper Echelon is extremely politically savvy (in terms of their goals)

Frankly, although I have been proven wrong in the letter, I think the DOD Directive is unconstitutional in civil and UCMJ personally, and won't be a bit surprised if it is challenged.

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 4:38:41 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		Im hoping the guy knows what his choices are and thought that the consequences were negligible in importance in showing his support.
if not, then I doubt it will happen again, is there any information on him or the result of his actions?


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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 4:45:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well if they were arrested it would make a hell of a news splash here. So I guess its been given a wink.

The guy with the sign (unless a bunch of other shit has changed) is a captain (thats certain) and I believe a chaplain, and out of uniform, no cover.



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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 4:56:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		hey as long as he isnt gay!!! he should get support from the right!!


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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 5:09:22 PM   
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hey as long as he isnt gay!!! he should get support from the right!!



Well yea because everyone knows all the assholes on the right just hate gays
Thanks for dragging the usual right vs left bs into the thread. I was afraid we were not going to have any of that.

And yes I think the one without a hat could be in trouble, I know he would be in the Army. If you are going to be in uniform, it has to be complete.


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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 5:20:50 PM   
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It was meant as a joke, but you are obviously wound tighter than michelle bachman
suffer and take it the way you want to. when you can be fair, I will talk to you again.


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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 5:41:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does anyone actually believe Marines showed up to this in their dress uniforms?

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"And because of their courage and the character they showed, today it was announced that in their dress blues, Marines are going to protect them and stand with them. In their dress blues! The Marines! The veterans!"


Don't be silly. The Left knows how to use the media to create a meme. They are well aware that a lie gets half way around the world before the truth puts its boots on.

Don't be fooled.

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 5:56:53 PM   
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I dont see anybody going to jail over this, it is non-partisan (in theory) and non-political (in theory) and ..... well, I don't see current General Staff getting too fucked up on this issue.

If they could glean the support of the majority of the house (they are out of touch enough), the Senate would insure their starvation. Military Upper Echelon is extremely politically savvy (in terms of their goals)

Frankly, although I have been proven wrong in the letter, I think the DOD Directive is unconstitutional in civil and UCMJ personally, and won't be a bit surprised if it is challenged.


Jail, probably not. Counseled, much more likely. It just depends.

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RE: Wall St. Protests - Send In The Marines! - 10/4/2011 6:00:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay stupid question but wouldn't they be in violation of some Marine code of conduct to stand against law enforcement which is the enforcing body of the city they are in, when it's not sanctioned by the Marine Corp?  As well as if they are active Marines, be very careful they are not insinuating they speak for the Marine Corp by their actions?  Last i checked, military doesn't determine what is correct actions by the police and to me, Marines would be helping local police to enforce the laws, not stand against police officers attempting to do their jobs and enforce the laws they are sworn to uphold.

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